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#3168075 - 10/21/18 08:00 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Skill drills are not target shooting.
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#3183131 - 01/05/19 05:45 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Nobody been skill drilling? You lazy bastiges might not live to regret that some day.
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#3189857 - 01/31/19 08:26 AM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Registered: 10/18/18
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Loc: So Cal
GC,

A good rule of thumb that might help you distinguish between target shooting and tactical handgun shooting: if you're shooting from a stationary position, you're target shooting. If you're shooting while you're moving or from behind a barrier while exposing only enough of you to return fire (avoiding taking rounds), you're tactically training.

This is a pretty good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2hn6AVCVro

Search engine, "Law enforcement tactical shooting," for edification.

I wish you the best.


Edited by EMP3 (01/31/19 08:27 AM)

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#3189870 - 01/31/19 09:37 AM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Oh wow... Are you a LEO or part of the shooting military?
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#3192619 - 02/13/19 04:25 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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EMP3 gets a ticket for hit and run posting.
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#3195686 - 03/01/19 11:13 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: EMP3]
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Originally Posted By: EMP3

A good rule of thumb that might help you distinguish between target shooting and tactical handgun shooting: if you're shooting from a stationary position, you're target shooting. If you're shooting while you're moving or from behind a barrier while exposing only enough of you to return fire (avoiding taking rounds), you're tactically training.

This is a pretty good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2hn6AVCVro

Search engine, "Law enforcement tactical shooting," for edification.





Your input seems doltish when you post a link that completely contradicts what you are trying to say. Maybe you should contact the SIG SAUER Academy and enlighten them with your tactical wisdom. Refer them to the correct search engine for future references and "edifications"

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#3197811 - 03/14/19 01:16 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Registered: 03/09/19
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Loc: CT
EMP3,
That is very good!!

Some years back,NYPD published SOP 9 which,basically,was a study of 6,000 shootings over a ten year period of time. The results basically were this;
1-all incidents occurred less than 21 feet and with the vast majority 10 feet or less (mostly 3 feet)
2-no reloads were used
3- most,if not all incidents used 2-3 shots

4-and took less than 5 seconds


My experience is three tours in 'Nam and 40 years as an LEO.

Top Dog




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#3197842 - 03/14/19 05:41 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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SOP 9 is data gathered from 1970-1979. Things may have changed just a bit here and there.
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#3197945 - 03/15/19 12:07 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Registered: 03/09/19
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GC,
Yes,I am quite sure that things have changed but I still think that the distances are quite the same.

The main thing is to practice as often as you can,and range rules permitting,as realistic as possible.

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#3198486 - 03/19/19 11:31 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: Top Dog]
Infidel 762 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
EMP3,
That is very good!!

Some years back,NYPD published SOP 9 which,basically,was a study of 6,000 shootings over a ten year period of time. The results basically were this;
1-all incidents occurred less than 21 feet and with the vast majority 10 feet or less (mostly 3 feet)
2-no reloads were used
3- most,if not all incidents used 2-3 shots

4-and took less than 5 seconds


My experience is three tours in 'Nam and 40 years as an LEO.

Top Dog


What? You are saying that out of 6,000 shootings they all occurred at less than 21 feet? I googled SOP 9 and all those statistics involve LEO shootings. It is a completely different scenario when almost all CCW holders don't open carry.

Yes; all training is good but saying the drill the OP posted is just target shooting? I fear having to shoot an intruder at 3 yards in the low lite hallway of my home, before bounding thru obstacles with my everyday carry gun like I am in Iraq. You are not the only one who has deployed, thus I am sure you appreciate the tactical advantage of carrying concealed.

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#3198554 - 03/20/19 04:57 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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I'm still waiting to be edified?
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#3201221 - 04/13/19 04:46 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Registered: 12/16/06
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Loc: central washington
My local range has metal flip targets and stuff to hide behind. Great for defensive practice. Takes 1 round from my 40 to flip them, but a fast double tap from my 9mm to get them over the top.
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#3209095 - 08/02/19 01:24 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Are y'all still challenged? Or are you skill building?
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#3209232 - 08/05/19 12:12 AM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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I went skill building this evening and shot like crap. Some days are better than others...
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#3226707 - 01/05/20 09:09 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Registered: 02/04/07
Posts: 1569
Loc: Lincolnton, NC
Thanks GC. I'm gonna try this out.

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