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#2538851 - 09/01/13 09:15 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: CAFR]
Catkiller Offline
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Registered: 02/08/02
Posts: 1844
Loc: Roland,Oklahoma,U.S.A.
I killed 2 beagles running a buck to death on our hunting land.Word got out about it and 6 months later I was confronted at my gate by the 26 year old owner of the dogs.I recieved a sore head and busted knuckles and he got a black eye and mashed nose.He doesn't let his dogs run at large anymore. He called the sheriff and they told him that a dog at large in Oklahoma was open season and wanted to know if I wanted him arrested for starting the fight(He hit me first).I told them to just let it go.One thing I did figure out though....A 50 year old doesn't heal up as quick as they did when they were 25. smile
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#2547199 - 09/22/13 10:04 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
hunt-m-up Offline
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Registered: 08/18/09
Posts: 483
Loc: IA
Domestic/wild dogs in a pack are worse than coyotes, they're less afraid. Agreed it's cruel to just dump them or let them run, running livestock will get them dead in a hurry.


Edited by hunt-m-up (09/22/13 10:05 PM)

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#2547245 - 09/22/13 11:52 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
NdIndy Offline
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Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 5405
Loc: Viera FL
Same around here. If its running animals wild or not theyre targets. My dogs have broken fence a couple times, last time they ended up chasing a neighbors horses. He was pissed, rightly. I was pissed, at the dogs. Their puppies sell for 1k each, but if he had popped them i would have understood. I wouldnt be happy, but i would have understood.
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#2547277 - 09/23/13 04:51 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
OldTurtle Offline
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Registered: 12/20/05
Posts: 19624
Loc: East Central FL
The general application of many 'loose animal' laws/ordinances come down to owner control at the immediate time...

If an animal is off the leash, but still responds to the owners commands, then it is considered controlled.. If the owner is not present, or the animal fails to respond as directed, then it's in violation...

While shooting an animal that is owned by someone else may open up a can of civil worms (especially in an urban area), an uncontrolled animal that is presenting a danger in other areas may be perfectly legal from a criminal aspect..
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#2561462 - 10/25/13 01:32 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Catkiller]
swampcrawler Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 10/13/10
Posts: 176
Loc: Oklahoma/Kansas
Originally Posted By: Catkiller
I killed 2 beagles running a buck to death on our hunting land.Word got out about it and 6 months later I was confronted at my gate by the 26 year old owner of the dogs.I recieved a sore head and busted knuckles and he got a black eye and mashed nose.He doesn't let his dogs run at large anymore. He called the sheriff and they told him that a dog at large in Oklahoma was open season and wanted to know if I wanted him arrested for starting the fight(He hit me first).I told them to just let it go.One thing I did figure out though....A 50 year old doesn't heal up as quick as they did when they were 25. smile


Pretty much the same scenario with me a year ago, except they( 2 boxers) were trying to get to my Golden in our back yard. Heard later that the owner was doing the usual "macho bs tough guy act" down at the Co-op. My buddy told him he might want to walk a litle softer--I,m 68yrs old--too old to fight--just put him in the same hole with the dogs.
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#2561976 - 10/26/13 02:54 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
masshunter Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 12/10/08
Posts: 1299
Loc: western mass
So lets say Joe puts his four walkers on a 2 hr old cat track, the dogs are deer broke, don't run deer, but 1 hr ago 2 does drifted into a patch of cover the cat walked through. The hounds stay on the cat track, but the deer bust out anyway. Tom & Ray sitting on the tailgate hear the dogs, see the deer bust out, and when the dogs show, they shoot them. Anytime I read " I shoot any dog I see " or similar, I think "you are an #@$% head"

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#2562227 - 10/27/13 12:39 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
6724 Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 3073
Loc: colorado
well, if the deer bust out and the dogs are following them, then they die. but i am going to guess that dogs that are running lions are not going to be far from their handlers and the situation wont go down like your hypothetical.

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#2571492 - 11/14/13 10:01 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
jarheadhunter Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/29/10
Posts: 1637
Loc: Tooele, Utah
While deer hunting in WY this year we packed into the High country. We got rained on and forced into our tents for about 6 hrs the day before the opener. We come out of our tents just before dark to look around as it had stopped raining. We came out and we had thousands of sheep in our camp. Then came the sheep dogs. Great Piranease or however you spell it. Anyways the next morning we start hiking towards our glassing point and here comes 3 deer with 5 dogs chasing them 20 yds out right by us. That was the only deer we saw that day. We thought we were going to have to shoot them later that morning when they came back by us and started growling and barking at us.
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#2572149 - 11/15/13 07:41 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
6724 Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 3073
Loc: colorado
if you saw them chasing deer, why did you not shoot them?

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#2588897 - 12/13/13 04:52 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: PrairieShadow]
battlestick Offline
Predator Master

Registered: 11/29/12
Posts: 78
Loc: Texas
This is absolutely correct. I certainly do not think that any caring owner allows their dog to run about chasing game on some one else's property. Any dog doing that certainly must have been abondoned, or is a wild dog with no home.

People accidentally get shot all the time in the woods by other hunters. I am certain mistaking a dog for a coyote is even more possible, and understandable. I would not be out broadcasting it, but I wouldn't loose any sleep either.

If you shoot a dog chasing game, and then broadcast it out just to challenge what can or cannot be done is not something I would encourage.

Originally Posted By: PrairieShadow
Dogs that chase wildlife are Coyotes.

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#2588926 - 12/13/13 05:50 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: 6724]
REID2168 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1334
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: 6724
if you saw them chasing deer, why did you not shoot them?


You best hope nobody ever sees you chasing a deer! people wonder why some people shouldnt have guns..........WASFI!!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!

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#2589009 - 12/13/13 07:52 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: REID2168]
Timberbeast7 Offline
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Registered: 01/25/08
Posts: 947
Loc: Billings, Montana
Originally Posted By: REID2168
Originally Posted By: 6724
if you saw them chasing deer, why did you not shoot them?


You best hope nobody ever sees you chasing a deer! people wonder why some people shouldnt have guns..........WASFI!!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!


This doesn't even make sense. It's no secret that in most states I know of its legal to kill a dog chasing big game or livestock. Equating an unruly dog to a human is nonsense.

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#2589040 - 12/13/13 08:31 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
Orneryolfart357 Offline
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Registered: 10/06/07
Posts: 9053
Loc: Nevada
Just call them coyotes.. shoot em, and move on. Someone here has a quote.. If I doesn't have a collar, its a Coyote. Use your best judgement.
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#2589257 - 12/14/13 07:17 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Timberbeast7]
REID2168 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1334
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: Timberbeast7
This doesn't even make sense. It's no secret that in most states I know of its legal to kill a dog chasing big game or livestock. Equating an unruly dog to a human is nonsense.


NO U R NONSENSE...the reference was only made to make people THINK FIRST NOT SHOOT FIRST....explain to me what mental telepathy powers u posess to let u know the dog is UNRULY and not just chasing due to one of the following reasons:

the owner is hurt in the woods after falling being knocked out and breaking their hip and the dog got away and chased yet if found could lead them back to the hurt person to help them

OR a couple kids out for the first time just dont know any better and the dog got to far away from them and chased

OR a guys out for the first time squirrel hunting and its deer season or not and his dog gets away cause hes learning and it chased

if u think any of the above reasons warrant a dead dog your completely WRONG and you shouldnt be allowed out with a gun by yourself because u ABSOLUTELY have NO WAY of knowing what the reason......PERIOD......your kill it because its LEGAL excuse carrys about as much merit as your mental telepathy does MR ITS LEGAL TO SHOOT THEM cause it says it in a rule book......i could come up with more VALID reasons than this forum has threads to NOT kill a dog just beacause its chasing a deer...just so we are straight i dont condone dogs chasing deer....PERIOD..........but its the owner u need to deal with and figure out the reason.......NOT SHOOT FIRST ASK QUESTIONS LATER.......that analagy is a JOKE and anyone with decent morals, good common sense and ethics knows it........a dog comes at me with REAL AGGRESSION ITS DEAD PERIOD NO QUESTIONS ASKED..........but other than that you guys seem to be just KILL HAPPY MENTAL TELEPATHY KNOW IT ALLS that probably shouldnt be allowed to have real weapons out in the woods all by yourselves with judegment skills like this.......

then you put this out there for new hunters to read and think its OK because it says it in a rule book...

like i said this SHOOT FIRST ANALOGY cause its LEGASL is a REAL JOKE .......PERIOD!

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#2589295 - 12/14/13 09:01 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: REID2168]
liliysdad Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 1204
Loc: Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: REID2168
[quote=Timberbeast7]

the owner is hurt in the woods after falling being knocked out and breaking their hip and the dog got away and chased yet if found could lead them back to the hurt person to help them





I have seen some pretty nonsensical crap in my day, but that just about takes the cake....wow. You "what-if'd" the [beeep] out of that one...

There is not a valid reason on earth for a domestic dog to chase wildlife or livestock. Period.

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