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#2589299 - 12/14/13 09:08 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: liliysdad]
REID2168 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1334
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: liliysdad
I have seen some pretty nonsensical crap in my day, but that just about takes the cake....wow. You "what-if'd" the [beeep] out of that one...

There is not a valid reason on earth for a domestic dog to chase wildlife or livestock. Period.


the title doesnt say a word about livestock it says WILDLFE those are the animals in the woods that feed themselves.......good try..........u must have mental telepathy as well.

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#2589302 - 12/14/13 09:12 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
liliysdad Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 1204
Loc: Oklahoma
I understand that Livestock was not mentioned...which is why I included wildlife in my statement. In my experience, a dog that will chase a deer will chase a cow or horse. I don't need telepathy to know a n uncontrolled dog chasing stuff it shouldn't be is a nuisance, and needs to be dealt with. Oddly enough, the majority of folks in this thread feel the same way. Even more oddly, most state governments seem to have felt the same way with the passage of various relevant pieces of legislation over the years.


Edited by liliysdad (12/14/13 09:13 AM)

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#2589308 - 12/14/13 09:18 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
REID2168 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1334
Loc: Indiana
14 people with inaccurate judegement calls based on nothing more then speculation doesnt make them right and im not refering to cattle........now u seem to know if a dog chases a cat it will chase everything because u seen one do it once......WOW.....u must have metal telepathy......that or u just basically WHAT IFD in a whole new manner other then the manner u said i was doing it in.......let it go!

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#2589309 - 12/14/13 09:19 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
REID2168 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1334
Loc: Indiana
now u r gonna tell me all the laws legislature makes are good for WILDLIFE........hahahahahahaha........yeah right!

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#2589317 - 12/14/13 09:30 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: REID2168]
liliysdad Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 1204
Loc: Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: REID2168
14 people with inaccurate judegement calls based on nothing more then speculation doesnt make them right and im not refering to cattle........now u seem to know if a dog chases a cat it will chase everything because u seen one do it once......WOW.....u must have metal telepathy......that or u just basically WHAT IFD in a whole new manner other then the manner u said i was doing it in.......let it go!


Was "telepathy" yesterday's entry on your Word of the Day calendar? Methinks it does not mean what you think it means. Regardless..

I am not basing my supposition on one dog chasing one critter. I have been around livestock, dogs, and wildlife my entire life. Experience tells me that same neighbor's dog that is chasing cows is also chasing deer, and anything else it can find to chase. I would imagine that the other folks in this thread have much the same experience.

In all my years growing up running bird and coon dogs, we had one chase deer. That dog chased a deer one time, and it never made the trip home. We took care of the problem ourselves. We would have expected anyone else who saw it happen to do the same.

Further, I have yet to encounter Lassie in the woods who, after Timmy falls in the well, chases deer to get the attention of hunters to let them know he needs help. Maybe I am just sheltered?

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#2589324 - 12/14/13 09:48 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
REID2168 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1334
Loc: Indiana
u can try and pick apart my choice of words all u want to but its only because u r running out of a defense.......also u can kill whatever animal you want of yours and i could care less as thats your right...... doesnt make it right but it is your right...PERIOD.....in turn you should also use some common sense and take heed when u think shooting other peoples dogs is correct because its legal and says so in a rule book u read that a legislative body voted to approve.........i mean doing that to the wrong persons dog and getting home could be difficult......just a bit of insight as there are some very protective people out there that treat pets like family regardless of what they have done.......not u of coarse but real people...funny how u can only refer to ONE example i gave to pick apart when they all have merit......FACT!

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#2589614 - 12/14/13 06:11 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
6724 Offline
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Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 3072
Loc: colorado
reid, you need to calm down.

there is no need to insult people personally just because you disagree with them. your implied threats are simply ridiculous.

the facts are that in most states it IS legal, it is also the opinion of most people posting in this thread that it is also ETHICAL to put down a dog that is chasing wildlife OR livestock. laws against dogs harassing wildlife are there for good reason. far too many people knowingly let their dogs chase wildlife and when confronted claim that it is the only time it has happened, or that it is the only time he got out. it is almost always b.s.

if it is so wrong to shoot a dog chasing deer or elk, at what point do you determine that it is warranted? after the deer gets chased into traffic, after the deer's guts are pouring out on the ground? or does the dog have to kill the deer? if the deer doesn't die right away, but rather gets worn out and dies a few days later after having used up all its reserve energy, can i go to the dog owners home and kill the dog then, or do i have to wait to catch it in the act of actually killing the deer?

i will proudly admit that i have put down dogs that were chasing wildlife, it is every ethical hunter's responsibility to do so.


if the thread bothers you that much, maybe you should start a campaign to educate dogs and their owner to prevent the situation from coming up.

maybe you can respond without massive anger, hatred, insults and threats.

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#2589692 - 12/14/13 07:25 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1334
Loc: Indiana
maybe u shouldnt tell people their comments are nonsense when thats all u r typing.....u can keep trying to hang your argument on whatever BAD reasons u want.....FACT is u r basing a KILL decision with out FACT other than its LEGAL and thats LAME and if u cant understand that u have the problem not me.........i can state my opinion just as u can if u dont like it i guess u need to not log onto forums and give young hunters BAD ADVICE and others who know its bad wont have to respond to it and try to make people see there can be reasons to not shoot a dog thats doing something u dont condone like chasing WILDLIFE..try figuring out why or findng the owner and get it settled not kill it just because u can and feel its OK thats LAME.......take it however u want but spreading bad i dont have the facts judgement calls advise cause it says its legal on a piece of paper is LUDICROUS and if u dont understand that then i understand why u do the things u do...just because its legal wont bring bad publicity will it....GET REAL....u know the ONE BAD APPLE THEORY guys like u r it that make factless based kill decisions and have more chance to cause ANTIS reasons to revolt against our traditions then a dog chasing a deer does 10 fold as it only takes killing one wrong dog to do so not one dog killing one deer.........try thinking about the BIG picture not some wild animal that has more survival skill than u could even begin to know unless now your an animal bioligist as well.....you killing pets out of lack of knowledge and soely based on ASSUMPTION without fact as to why its happening other than u dont like it so now u can fire your gun is a JOKE.....PERIOD.......people should think not kill everything they can because they dont like it or because its leagal......better yet maybe u should help destroy every coyote and wolf out there since they chase deer as well and kill them and gut them and run them to death......do u really think domestic dogs impact deer enough deer on a yearly basis to impact their population....NOT...but coyotes an d wolves sure do so get busy......u just have it in your heart to save the ONE deer u see so now u can kill someones dog because u feel its justified due to a piece of paper staing the fact and thats not always the case...decisions made like that are utterly ridiculous......also im not mad about anything im just not afriad to voice my opinion when i know it has merit and people could be giving young hunters extremely bad advice that gets them in situations that get them hurt for no other reason then they read bad advice on a forum........FACT!

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#2589715 - 12/14/13 07:59 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
liliysdad Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 1204
Loc: Oklahoma
Your opinion would most likely be a bit more respected if you were to state it in some language remotely similar to English......FACT!!

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#2589717 - 12/14/13 08:03 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: liliysdad]
REID2168 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1334
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: liliysdad
Your opinion would most likely be a bit more respected if you were to state it in some language remotely similar to English......FACT!!


if u cant read thats an issue u should have dealt with in school.......BET!!!!!!!!

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#2589767 - 12/14/13 09:22 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
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Registered: 09/14/09
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Loc: AZ
Please stay on topic without making personal attacks and keep it civil.
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#2589794 - 12/14/13 10:07 PM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: REID2168]
Timberbeast7 Offline
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Registered: 01/25/08
Posts: 947
Loc: Billings, Montana
Originally Posted By: REID2168
maybe u shouldnt tell people their comments are nonsense when thats all u r typing.....u can keep trying to hang your argument on whatever BAD reasons u want.....FACT is u r basing a KILL decision with out FACT other than its LEGAL and thats LAME and if u cant understand that u have the problem not me.........


The fact is I'm basing my decision on the FACT that the dog is chasing wildlife. That is unacceptable and illegal, period.

Your Lassie scenarios did make me smile though. What if the dog was rabid and had just chewed up a group of orphans and was now chasing a deer in an attempt to lure in unsuspecting passerby's trying to help the poor deer so it could continue it's rampage? Wouldn't it be irresponsible not to shoot it?

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#2589908 - 12/15/13 12:55 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
cojab Offline
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Registered: 02/01/10
Posts: 7
Loc: colorado
Does this include both private and public property? I know I've seen my dogs chase deer off my property before but they stay home. FWIW I have never seen them hurt one or follow them to a neighboring property. I have these deer on my fields all the time.
Another true scenario, I have also seen them chase coyotes off my ground. Which one am I supposed to shoot, the dogs or the coyotes?

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#2589923 - 12/15/13 03:00 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: CAFR]
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Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 2095
Loc: Eldorado,kansas
Originally Posted By: CAFR
Dog owners who allow their pets to roam at large are not really pet lovers. They are lazy, irresponsible, and just plain stupid. In my cattle ranching days, I constantly had to control feral packs and roaming pets. It was a constant pain in the [beeep]. Those idiots need to pay the vet bills for the horses and cattle that are chased through a wire fence or shredded by "playing" dogs. Harassing wildlife is just as bad. The lady in CO who lets her dogs roam free to enjoy their "natural" proclivities should be cited for animal cruelty and prohibited from owning a pet, EVER.




I agree 100%
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#2589927 - 12/15/13 03:19 AM Re: domestic dogs chasing wildlife [Re: Bear]
cojab Offline
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Registered: 02/01/10
Posts: 7
Loc: colorado
Wow, thanks for the name calling. I still do run cattle on my place. Been doing it for years. My dogs do a great job of keeping the coyotes away from my cows/calves. Don't come on to my place and shoot my dogs.....ever. The way I see it they have as much right on the ground they're supposed to be on (mine) as a deer.
By the way, you didn't answer the question, If they're chasing a coyote, which one do I shoot?

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