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#2468528 - 03/23/13 12:28 AM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Ridgeline17]
Pbchucker Offline
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Registered: 11/09/05
Posts: 850
Loc: Gilbert,AZ
Believe 10% of what you read to be accurate. The rest will be all BS. They take the info and distort it to sell news or to scare others. I have personally witnessed different incidences and then read about them in the paper, seen it on the news, and read blogs on it on the Internet the very next day and they take a small portion of the factual information and twist it to their benefit. Media needs to embellish their stories so the sheep will watch and believe them and state employees with a family to feed, need to keep their jobs and will do what is required to do so.

Being a state employee myself, I can assure you the officer was just following what was directed to him.
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#2468557 - 03/23/13 02:17 AM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Rock Knocker]
cmil84 Offline
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Registered: 01/01/12
Posts: 768
Loc: IL.
to furhunter an unconstitutional law is not a law. So there for he did not break a law. Yea New Yorkistan may say he did but he did not. He needs are support not for us to support there dumb azz laws

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#2468605 - 03/23/13 08:05 AM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: cmil84]
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Registered: 01/31/05
Posts: 5883
Loc: Western Colorado
Originally Posted By: cmil84
to furhunter an unconstitutional law is not a law. So there for he did not break a law. Yea New Yorkistan may say he did but he did not. He needs are support not for us to support there dumb azz laws


Your incredible, first you say it isn't a law then at the end it's a dumb azz law. So you at least admit its a law then? I guess that would be a step in the right direction towards comprehension as to what I meant in my first post. Which... I think most of you need to go back and slowly read my post again. If he's guilty of breaking the law then he should pay for it. Some of you have admitted to that which supports what I said. If he did the crime he should do the time.

Again.. An unconstitutional law is still the law until we get it overturned in court, turned over from a ballot initiative or elect the right politicians to negate it. So it really doesn't matter what you think is unconstitutional, right wrong or otherwise. The bottom line is... until it's overturned, is the law.

I don't need a lesson in American history nor someone to tell me why our founders did what they did. I understand it, I've read the books, I know as well as the rest of you. You guys need to take a step back and understand the times we live in. We are a far more complicated, civilized if you will society than we were 200+ years ago. When the american revolution started we didnt have a standing federal government, a constitution, bill of rights or a developed court system. I understand your frustration but it's not quite yet the time to start the next revolution, when it comes you will know. For the meantime you guys need to come down off the bridge and join the current fight of proper legislative action to overturn these laws.

Speaking of that.... A comment for every member of the forum,
Are any of you members of GOA, NRA or any other pro gun group that directly puts your money to work fighting for your rights? Get off your azz and send some money to these groups to fight these laws. If some of you put some money where your Internet mouth was maybe we wouldn't be in this situation.
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#2468720 - 03/23/13 11:53 AM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Furhunter]
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Registered: 01/21/05
Posts: 409
Loc: Eastern Oregon
Originally Posted By: Furhunter


I don't need a lesson in American history nor someone to tell me why our founders did what they did. I understand it, I've read the books, I know as well as the rest of you. You guys need to take a step back and understand the times we live in. We are a far more complicated, civilized if you will society than we were 200+ years ago. When the american revolution started we didnt have a standing federal government, a constitution, bill of rights or a developed court system. I understand your frustration but it's not quite yet the time to start the next revolution, when it comes you will know. For the meantime you guys need to come down off the bridge and join the current fight of proper legislative action to overturn these laws.

Speaking of that.... A comment for every member of the forum,
Are any of you members of GOA, NRA or any other pro gun group that directly puts your money to work fighting for your rights? Get off your azz and send some money to these groups to fight these laws. If some of you put some money where your Internet mouth was maybe we wouldn't be in this situation.



And in my case, the Oregon Firearms Federation as well, which is Oregon's no compromise firearm organization. I could point out some errors in your statement, and argue about this and that, but I won't, because it's a waste of our time. We need to focus and channel our energy on our local, state and federal fights. I'm a 42 year old college student that doesn't have a whole lot of free time ( I do now because of spring break) but I do what I can. I took a couple professors to task in the last month, and along the way, educated some much younger individuals(students) at what the law actually is (Oregon Law) and opened their eyes. I know this for a fact, as many told me. I know I made one enemy, but that is fine, she knows where I stand, and I won't back down. She also knows that I am the biggest threat to her lies, and I will call her on it! This is how we win this fight, and that is at the local levels, which boils over into the state level, which then goes to the federal level. I don't know about you, but with me, they have awakened a sleeping giant that they didn't want to.

I was about to post when I reread this part of Furhunter's post

Originally Posted By: Furhunter
Get off your azz and send some money to these groups to fight these laws. If some of you put some money where your Internet mouth was maybe we wouldn't be in this situation.


I think it's more than that. Yes, we need to channel any and all funds we can spare to the NRA, GOA, and local pro-gun organizations, but there are other ways as well. We need to donate our time and bodies. We need to get involved! YOU, as in enter your name here ___________ needs to get involved! Think of it this way. It is YOUR fault that this is happening! If YOU just sit around and do nothing, it is YOUR fault that YOUR rights are taken away. If 10% of all all gun owners get involved, the anti's WILL be quaking in the corner. If 20% gets involved....and just imagine if ALL gun owners got involved.

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#2468799 - 03/23/13 01:59 PM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Furhunter]
C.Jay Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 1173
Loc: Montana
Originally Posted By: Furhunter
...Speaking of that.... A comment for every member of the forum,
Are any of you members of GOA, NRA or any other pro gun group that directly puts your money to work fighting for your rights? Get off your azz and send some money to these groups to fight these laws. If some of you put some money where your Internet mouth was maybe we wouldn't be in this situation.



No. None of us are, and none of us support, directly or indirectly any of the above groups. Sounds like a good idea though, glad you brought it up, none of us simpletons would have ever come up with that idea on our own.


Presumptuous. rolleyes


Edited by C.Jay (03/23/13 01:59 PM)
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