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#2467413 - 03/21/13 06:46 PM First person charged under NY SAFE act.
Rock Knocker Offline
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Registered: 12/29/11
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#2467422 - 03/21/13 06:53 PM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Rock Knocker]
Bullmastiff Offline
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Something like this had to happen in order for it to make it to the Supreme Court.

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#2467689 - 03/21/13 11:27 PM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Bullmastiff]
Ridgeline17 Offline
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Registered: 04/11/12
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Loc: Somerset,Ky
Yeah, I understand that but that sux. angry
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#2467752 - 03/22/13 01:37 AM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Rock Knocker]
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(Intentionally left blank I don't even know what to say about this except I am glad I am not in NY, CA, or CO and we can't let anymore of this crap happen)
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#2467803 - 03/22/13 08:11 AM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Rock Knocker]
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I don't even know what to say about this except I am glad I am not in NY, CA, or CO and we can't let anymore of this crap happen)
....Consider that a few years ago, you would only have seen something similar to this (But less Draconian) happen in California...Now two other states have adopted the same attitude...

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#2467836 - 03/22/13 09:05 AM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: OldTurtle]
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Registered: 01/31/05
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Loc: Western Colorado
Some of you may not like this much but here it goes.

As one of the latest victims of absolute do nothing gun control laws I have to agree that it's just not right. We should be able to buy and sell as we please. I also agree there's no such thing as an "assult rifle" and 15 round mags are not going to slow a shooter down or cause him to kill less people than if he had 30's. It's all a bunch of chit...

Having said that, they passed these laws and as much as we don't like them they are on the books until we can get them thrown out with lawsuits or over turned with ballot measures. So until then if you do the crime, you do the time. This guy not only broke the law once, he went and did it again. It's a matter of personal responsibility, he didn't have any and now his azz is in a bind because of it. I feel sorry for the situation.... Not for him.
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#2467911 - 03/22/13 11:29 AM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Furhunter]
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Originally Posted By: Furhunter
Having said that, they passed these laws and as much as we don't like them they are on the books until we can get them thrown out with lawsuits or over turned with ballot measures. So until then if you do the crime, you do the time. This guy not only broke the law once, he went and did it again. It's a matter of personal responsibility, he didn't have any and now his azz is in a bind because of it. I feel sorry for the situation.... Not for him.


With that line of thinking, our Founding Fathers never would have created this country. It was blatant civil disobedience of the stamp act, the tea tax and many others that got the ball rolling. It was the British's attempt at gun confiscation and our Founders that stood up, stood their ground and said NO, that led to the Revolutionary War. Are we much different than that right now? We have State and Federal governments who are spending beyond their means and keep raising taxes. The State of New York has the highest taxes in the Nation! Now they are attempting a form of firearm confiscation. I do not know this young man or his motives, however, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did this to challenge it in a court of law. Then again, it also wouldn't surprise me if he is as smart as a rock, as I have seen and served with Marines from both ends of the spectrum. I would like to think this young man is of the self-sacrificing type, but at this time, we do not know. But I do know who I do not trust.

You must remember, our Founding Fathers endured great hardship and took tremendous risk for Liberty. Many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence ended up broke, but they were willing to take the risk for their rights. What are we willing to risk? Believe me, I ponder that question every day.

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#2467926 - 03/22/13 11:42 AM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Bullmastiff]
Gerbs Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bullmastiff
Something like this had to happen in order for it to make it to the Supreme Court.


Great point.
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#2467936 - 03/22/13 11:53 AM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Gerbs]
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If you don't challenge this stuff, it will only stay in place. I don't think this knuckle head was trying to make a statement, so much as make a buck.

But that is really the point here.
You have to sell to a gun dealer.. Why?? Taxes and tracking.. You have to buy from a dealer... Why?? Taxes and tracking.

If they can do this to your personal property rights and gun rights, then what's to say they can't do this to people wanting to sell a car or other things from person to person..

You know this is the case when you are hearing on the news all the time that the feds and states are trying to tax the internet.. It's all about taking more money to do the things they think are a good idea.
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#2468135 - 03/22/13 03:26 PM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Rock Knocker]
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Registered: 11/02/12
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Loc: A state with no gun rights
The first gun he sold to the LEO was illegal before the safe act, the second gun he sold the LEO, the LEO told him he was a Felon,,,,so there is 2 felony violations. He also got a misdemeanor charge because he wasnt allowed to sell a AR cause of the UNSAFE act. I felt bad for the guy all up until he sold a gun to a (presumed)felon. Sorry but thats where I draw the line. If he didnt sell a gun to a known felon then I would stand behind him. The guy is a scum bag.

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#2468175 - 03/22/13 04:23 PM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Rock Knocker]
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It sounds like they got him good. But that's just what the news is telling us....

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#2468303 - 03/22/13 07:38 PM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Rock Knocker]
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I don't know if this guys case is the greatest to go to the US Supreme Court or not. What I would like to see someday is a law that holds politicians accountable for laws they create that are blatantly UN-Constitutional. If they just go ahead with a law when they know it's not legal then they should be prosecuted and held liable for costs caused from it. O included.
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#2468311 - 03/22/13 07:49 PM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Rock Knocker]
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Registered: 01/19/11
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Loc: colorado
yeah, lets hang the guy here. he must be a loser, he owned an ar.


what is with some of you people? they pass ridiculous laws that make many of us criminals by the stroke of a pen and we are all just supposed to lay down and die?

sure there are scumbags that own guns, and some of them give us a bad name, but to crucify a guy on a forum without all of the facts is just wrong.

a few years back i tried to get a restraining order against a guy i had had a history of problems with. he was charged with felony assault against me. when i tried to get the restraining order, he tried to get one against me. he lied in his application. i was ordered by the judge PENDING the hearing to turn over all my guns AND ammo. i dont have a criminal record, the other guy does. but he is a better liar than i am. it never went anywhere and i brought my guns home a few days later, but i would bet that many of you here would have hung me out to dry!

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#2468333 - 03/22/13 08:21 PM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Jamie-Z]
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Registered: 01/21/05
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Loc: Eastern Oregon
Originally Posted By: Jamie-Z
The first gun he sold to the LEO was illegal before the safe act, the second gun he sold the LEO, the LEO told him he was a Felon,,,,so there is 2 felony violations. He also got a misdemeanor charge because he wasnt allowed to sell a AR cause of the UNSAFE act. I felt bad for the guy all up until he sold a gun to a (presumed)felon. Sorry but thats where I draw the line. If he didnt sell a gun to a known felon then I would stand behind him. The guy is a scum bag.


If it is true, he will be found guilty in a court of law, and it definitely would not be a suitable case for SCOTUS. However, you are receiving your information from one of two sources, the state/gov. agents that arrested him or the press, neither are on the list of people I trust. Both are known to embellish in their favor.

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#2468478 - 03/22/13 11:23 PM Re: First person charged under NY SAFE act. [Re: Bullmastiff]
Ridgeline17 Offline
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Registered: 04/11/12
Posts: 1534
Loc: Somerset,Ky
^^^+1 Definitely agree with this statement.^^^


Edited by Ridgeline17 (03/22/13 11:24 PM)
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