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#2464046 - 03/17/13 06:59 PM Missouri Night hunting
RJM Acres Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 3743
Loc: Ozarks
Any Missouri game wardens here ?

Trying to figure out the reasoning behind landowners not being
able to use lights for night hunting on our own properties.
Same for agents of the landowners. I do predator control for
quite a few farms and ranches in my area.

Way to many coyotes and dogs killing calves, goats, etc. and
that usually happens at night.

As it stands now, we're supposed to call and get help from the
local DNR folks or wildlife damage control folks. That takes
time and usually doesn't do much good.

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#2464094 - 03/17/13 07:43 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: RJM Acres]
Irish_80 Offline
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Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 1150
Loc: Northwest Missouri
I was going to ask the same question.

Originally Posted By: RJM Acres
Any Missouri game wardens here ?

Trying to figure out the reasoning behind landowners not being
able to use lights for night hunting on our own properties.
Same for agents of the landowners. I do predator control for
quite a few farms and ranches in my area.

Way to many coyotes and dogs killing calves, goats, etc. and
that usually happens at night.

As it stands now, we're supposed to call and get help from the
local DNR folks or wildlife damage control folks. That takes
time and usually doesn't do much good.

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#2464140 - 03/17/13 08:26 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: Irish_80]
Radio Offline
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Registered: 12/13/12
Posts: 436
Loc: S.W. Mo
Here is what a Mo Dept of conservation agent responded in another forum

The question:

I have a question regarding Artificial Lights and hunting in Missouri. I have been advised both ways and wanted to get it straight from the state. I saw a thread that addressed lights but not landowners. I read at http://mdc4.mdc.mo.gov/Documents/2116.pdf on page 15 “Artificial Lights may be used only to hunt bullfrogs and green frogs, or to hunt raccoons and other furbearing animals when treed with the aid of dogs. Using lights or any other night vision or thermal imagery equipment to search for, spot, illuminate, harass or disturb other wildlife is a violation of the Wildlife Code. This rule does not apply to landowners on their property.”

May I, as a landowner, on my property, not on a roadway, use an artificial light to shoot nuisance coyotes who have been eating my chickens?

The reply:


The answer to your question is No. Landowners may not use a light to hunt coyotes.
(B) Artificial Light. No person shall throw or cast the rays of a spotlight, headlight, or
other artificial light on any highway or roadway, whether public or private, or in any
field, woodland, or forest for the purpose of spotting, locating, or attempting to take or hunt any game animal, except raccoons or other furbearing animals when treed with the aid of dogs, while having in possession or control, either singly or as one (1) of a group of persons, any firearm, bow, or other implement whereby game could be killed.

The landowner exemption is for landowners checking on their property and livestock.

My opinion: You should contact your local agent and ask for permission to use a light on predators destroying livestock on your own land. I can tell you for certain that if you do get their blessing or offer to look the other way, that it will not apply to property you do not own.

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#2464819 - 03/18/13 04:59 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: RJM Acres]
RJM Acres Offline
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Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 3743
Loc: Ozarks
Well, I sure don't agree with that law.
Livestock owners need to be able to protect their property.
I wonder how it would play out in court.
In these parts, I'm guessing if you were on your own land it
would probably get dismissed.

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#2465000 - 03/18/13 08:03 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: RJM Acres]
Radio Offline
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Registered: 12/13/12
Posts: 436
Loc: S.W. Mo
Originally Posted By: RJM Acres
Well, I sure don't agree with that law.
Livestock owners need to be able to protect their property.
I wonder how it would play out in court.
In these parts, I'm guessing if you were on your own land it
would probably get dismissed.


Methinks you are most likely correct, or a very minimum fine. It wouldn't hurt to contact your area agent and see what he says on the subject. Some of them are more understanding than others

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#2468968 - 03/23/13 06:13 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: Radio]
Baldknobber Offline
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Registered: 03/21/05
Posts: 144
Loc: Cabool, Mo.
I inspect dairy farms in S. Mo. and had a farmer at West Plains who was checking his cows about 20 or so years ago with a spotlight and rifle. The coyotes were killing calves. Then got to eating them as the cows were giving birth. Then got to eating the hind end out of the cows while they were giving birth. The MDC saw him one night from a plane. The guy on the ground gave him a ticket for spotlighting. He fought it in court for about 3-4 years and ended up losing. Even had vids of the coyotes eating calves during the birthing process. The game wardens WILL ticket people for this, farmer or not. I do not agree with it either. I think farmers should be exempted IF they call the GW and let him know prior.

The only way to legally hunt coyotes at night is under a moon on the snow with a mouth call. No light or electronic call. I have done this, but how often do we get snow here with a full moon?
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#2469352 - 03/24/13 09:16 AM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: RJM Acres]
RJM Acres Offline
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Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 3743
Loc: Ozarks
Bad law.

Hard to let the GW know ahead of time.
Those predators don't give advance notice when they are going
to go after calves or goats.

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#2469522 - 03/24/13 01:27 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: Baldknobber]
GC Online
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Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 17099
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By: Baldknobber
I inspect dairy farms in S. Mo. and had a farmer at West Plains who was checking his cows about 20 or so years ago with a spotlight and rifle. The coyotes were killing calves. Then got to eating them as the cows were giving birth. Then got to eating the hind end out of the cows while they were giving birth. The MDC saw him one night from a plane. The guy on the ground gave him a ticket for spotlighting. He fought it in court for about 3-4 years and ended up losing. Even had vids of the coyotes eating calves during the birthing process. The game wardens WILL ticket people for this, farmer or not. I do not agree with it either. I think farmers should be exempted IF they call the GW and let him know prior.

The only way to legally hunt coyotes at night is under a moon on the snow with a mouth call. No light or electronic call. I have done this, but how often do we get snow here with a full moon?


Are you sure you can't use an e-caller at night? I thought you were allowed to use an e-caller if you wanted but of course no electronic/artificial lights can be used. I think that portion of the law changed a few years ago but I could be wrong.
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#2469657 - 03/24/13 05:21 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: GC]
Baldknobber Offline
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Registered: 03/21/05
Posts: 144
Loc: Cabool, Mo.
You are right GC. Now you can use electronic calls at night without artificial light or night vision equipment.
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#2469891 - 03/24/13 10:09 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: RJM Acres]
RJM Acres Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 3743
Loc: Ozarks
I'm making some inquiries to find out the whys on this.
Makes no sense to be able to use dogs and lights on coons
but not other predators.
Makes no sense that landowners can't check their own property
with a light and a gun either.

Kind of goes against the state law on defending your property.

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#2479976 - 04/09/13 12:49 AM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: RJM Acres]
Wallbass45 Offline
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Registered: 11/26/04
Posts: 1905
Loc: Indiana
I know that Indiana has a specific section for Nuisance animals. Perhaps your state has one as well. smile
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#2480320 - 04/09/13 07:41 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: RJM Acres]
treedogguy Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 01/18/09
Posts: 44
Loc: orrick,missouri
This law mainly exist because missouri is a big deer hunting state, and we dont need people spot lighting the deer.
This is what i was told by the missouri department of conservation.
Me personally i think its crap.
But we cant run hounds durying day light hours of deer season either.
Poachers dont care what the law says there gonna do it anyway.

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#2480356 - 04/09/13 08:37 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: RJM Acres]
RJM Acres Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 3743
Loc: Ozarks
I'm working on it and will let everyone know when and where
to start writing letters in support of changing the law.

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#2480378 - 04/09/13 08:56 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: RJM Acres]
hawken11 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/02
Posts: 325
Loc: lees summit, MO, USA
This is an easy fix to cut the deer out of the Equation. Make a night hunting season Jan 15-April 1.
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#2480440 - 04/09/13 10:35 PM Re: Missouri Night hunting [Re: RJM Acres]
RJM Acres Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 3743
Loc: Ozarks
My first fight will be for landowners or their agents being
able to get out and protect their stock at night without
getting arrested or hassled for using a light and a gun.

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