Obama Asking US Military Leaders Will you Shoot on Americans

A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself..
John Stewart mill.. 1862
Fitting somehow don't you think?

Or how about
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decay and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse..

Again John Stewart mill... 1862

Two statements that are what they appear to be and not taken out f context.. Something I read in my study of history and philosophy.
 
There are many scenarios where the military, national guard, or law enforcement could be in a position to have to fire on American citizens.

If a Teaparty meeting with 50 armed guys gets whipped up and someone starts shooting it is going to be on between police and that group who is shooting. Those who do not lay down their arms could be expected to be fired upon. Do you think law enforcement officers are not going to do their jobs even if they happen to be personally sympathetic?

This question of "can you shoot Americans if asked to" is a pretty broad stroke that doesn't mean a thing if the specifics aren't set down.

When Obama was first elected it was more volatile for a couple of years than it is now. We had teaparty politicians talking in ways that were close to inciting "taking our government back", and "using our 2nd amendment remedies". That talk had it resulted in 100,000 people who "believed" they were doing the right thing actually doing something and stepping closer to actually doing something about that fantasy taking our government back thing would have been put down like dogs. As a minority that was trying to overthrow our government they would have been fired upon and few in the military would have had any morality thing keeping them from doing it.

A minority of Americans trying to use guns to take over our government is going to be at war, as long as they are a minority they are on the wrong side of this.

Now put the qualifier in and put a reality that all guns were being physically and forcibly confiscated and it would be different. I could see the military taking the side of Americans in that case. Without the qualifier the question put to military leaders doesn't mean will you fire on Americans under dictatorship conditions, a military leader is going to be thinking of it in terms of a minority armed takeover and there are unlikely any who would not fire on that minority group of Americans. If they were a majority they would vote their party in.

The hard right sees and thinks of this talk as being from their worst case scenario which is the "taking of our guns" The military and Commander in Chief sees it from a standpoint of it being from putting down an unwarranted insurgency that is trying to take over government. It's seen on that side as potentially having to quell rioting and chaos should the infrastructure melt down.

If people with guns are fighting other people and taking their food the military will have a job to do, and it will entail shooting unruly Americans.

It's a valid question and one that doesn't necessarily mean the thing that the right is focused on with a certain sense of tunnel vision.

I'm pretty sure if things went to crap I'd be shooting Americans, and so would everyone else, but it wouldn't be over politics, it would be over survival as in food and water.

That's what the government and military is forced to think about, restoring order. Those with guns will be needing to maintain order or they will be on the wrong side of the military who's job that is.
 
Originally Posted By: mikeinlouisianaWhat yall think, he is not American. He hates Americans. He is out to destroy the American way of life plain and simple. Whoever refuses to believe that is ignorant.

i agree 100% !!
 

I don't think that the few on here that downplay this are ignorant. I think they know exactly what Zero is up to and are complicit in his schemes, even though they will become his victims too, if he succeeds.
 
The Media will portray anyone that resists old Bat Ears attempts of disarming the US as a bunch of right wingers. The Soldiers/LEO's will only see what is on their computor screen or whatever they have been told. In their mind at the time they will prolly feel that they are doing the right thing. They will do as told.. shoot to kill, but only because of the BS they have been fed from Media and their higherups. If they dont know the real reason, they will follow orders. Die on your feet, or get out your kneepads if it comes to that. Its your choice. It aint gonna be pretty.
 
Originally Posted By: Stu Farishmaybe a more relevant question is "Would Americans shoot on US military who are shooting on them?"


I would sure think so
 
Originally Posted By: woodguruOriginally Posted By: UtahRob I have told my wife and kids that i will not surender one gun i own .

My wife and I have discussed it, we've decided it makes more sense to live and have some back ups.

Maybe my wife cares about me more?
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I dought it ,

But my wife and i love this country and the constitution enought , that its worth deing for . I am glad and honored to be called HARD RIGHT with many other true americans .
 
Originally Posted By: Stu Farishmaybe a more relevant question is "Would Americans shoot on US military who are shooting on them?"


yes i would !!

we would be shooting back at traders .
 
Orneryolfart357 said:
The Soldiers/LEO's will only see what is on their computor screen or whatever they have been told. In their mind at the time they will prolly feel that they are doing the right thing.

i disagree .
 
I would hate to point this out, since everyone here already knows this..
But just this year a Militia only smaller than the USA and China just went out on Maneuvers. THey went to the field, trained and carried live ammo, and this group was 600,000 large, So far there have been zero cases of accidents reported and they were effective in killing More than 1 million, Deer. It's the Hunters of Michigan.
Oh.. And Minnesota, Wisconsin, and even Illinois had the same thing.. If you put them together, that is larger than any Military. They know how to hunt and shoot. The don't shoot each other nearly as often as any other military.

This isn't even counting the South, and other States.
 
T Bone... I would have to agree that there are many more shapshooters in the US than the Military has.. but it still raises the question.. Will the Govt try to disarm us? Enquiring minds want to know?
 
Originally Posted By: woodguru....If a Teaparty meeting with 50 armed guys gets whipped up and someone starts shooting it is going to be on between police and that group who is shooting. Those who do not lay down their arms could be expected to be fired upon. Do you think law enforcement officers are not going to do their jobs even if they happen to be personally sympathetic?....

Wow....just, wow.

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Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
This isn't even counting the South, and other States.

And you know the rednecks are numerous.
 
Yes I know they are numerous..

And lets just say.. If they think the Occupy people caused them grief, wait until they make the Rednecks mad.

This is what Progressives and the Marxists don't seem to understand. The think they are the only ones that will get mad and go nuts.. Occupy is a bunch of spoiled kids that always got a trophy for showing up for school.
Let these Socialists make the really hard working people of this country mad and it's going to make the lesson The punk kids learn in Second hand Lions seem like a warm up.
That is really what needs to happen.. The adults should be getting tired of it and tells these groups enough is enough.
 
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