Dems: No Entry To Convention W/O Photo ID

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Now wait just a dadgum minute here. Where's Holder? This will be an unfair burden on non-whites.

MA Democrats: No Entry to Convention Without Photo ID
by Mike Flynn 1 day ago

In recent years, Democrats have argued that requiring voters to show photo IDs prior to voting is an egregious act of voter suppression. Ben Jealous, of the NAACP, has gone so far as to argue that such requirements are tantamount to modern-day Jim Crow laws. In the world they inhabit, lots of voters don't have access to photo IDs, so requiring voters to provide this will "disenfranchise" them and leave them out of the democratic process. Funny they don't feel that way for their own party conventions.

On Saturday, Massachusetts delegates will meet in their state's Democrat party convention. The votes of these delegates will determine whether there are primary elections for their party nominations. With so much at state, Democrats have decided to implement Voter ID requirements:

A PHOTO ID WILL BE REQUIRED TO ENTER THE MASSMUTUAL CENTER

Wait, what? Democrats tell us that photo ID requirements disenfranchise minority voters, who, inexplicably, have limited access to photo IDs. Yet, at their own convention, they insist that all delegates provide a photo ID to even have access to the convention floor. When their own party is at state, it seems their priorities are somewhat different that their rhetoric suggests.

If the Democrats actually believe the rhetoric from people like Ben Jealous, then they have disenfranchised scores of potential delegates with this photo ID requirement. If, on the other hand, they instituted the photo ID requirement to ensure the integrity of the votes of the party delegates, they should repudiate the NAACP and work to ensure that their own rules carry through election day.

Voter ID is good for me, but not thee is not a winning campaign slogan.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/...their-delegates
 
Anyone who says that opposition to voter id is anything but a desire to rig elections is a liar, plain and simple.

The next time you see or hear someone say it, you can bet your butt he or she is not only a liar, but has a desire to commit felony election rigging, or to allow others to do it.

Can't get more straightforward than that.
 
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Originally Posted By: IversAnyone who says that opposition to voter id is anything but a desire to rig elections is a liar, plain and simple.

The next time you see or hear someone say it, you can bet your butt he or she is not only a liar, but has a desire to commit felony election rigging, or to allow others to do it.

Can't get more straightforward than that.

Originally Posted By: IversAnyone who says that opposition to voter id is anything but a desire to rig elections is a liar, plain and simple.

The next time you see or hear someone say it, you can bet your butt he or she is not only a liar, but has a desire to commit felony election rigging, or to allow others to do it.

Can't get more straightforward than that.

Originally Posted By: IversAnyone who says that opposition to voter id is anything but a desire to rig elections is a liar, plain and simple.

The next time you see or hear someone say it, you can bet your butt he or she is not only a liar, but has a desire to commit felony election rigging, or to allow others to do it.

Can't get more straightforward than that.

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I wonder when the DOJ will be filing charges against the DNC for this egregrious act?

I foresee a mass e-mail campaign in order. Maybe if the DOJ received about half a million e-mails by the end of the week, the Democrats might be more open with their policies.
 
Some might contend that advocacy of voter id is an attempt to disenfranchise voters. The liar might be the individual that claims voter id is an attempt to reduce voter fraud. These voter id advocates may be attempting wholesale felonious vote rigging through manipulation of voter requirements.Most issues have honest folks on both sides.
 
Originally Posted By: HunterBear71Some might contend that advocacy of voter id is an attempt to disenfranchise voters. The liar might be the individual that claims voter id is an attempt to reduce voter fraud. These voter id advocates may be attempting wholesale felonious vote rigging through manipulation of voter requirements.Most issues have honest folks on both sides.

No, you're wrong. Opponents of voter id laws are liars and crooks. Just that simple.

And I don't know how you can claim that voter id laws are felonious when the Supreme Court has upheld them so long as they meet certain conditions, like providing free id's and provisional voting.

But the argument you suggested that "some" might make is just the lying part.
 
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Originally Posted By: HunterBear71Some might contend that advocacy of voter id is an attempt to disenfranchise voters. The liar might be the individual that claims voter id is an attempt to reduce voter fraud. These voter id advocates may be attempting wholesale felonious vote rigging through manipulation of voter requirements.Most issues have honest folks on both sides.


HB, perhaps you can explain to me exactly how requiring all voters to produce one of five accepted forms of ID (one of which will be provided to anyone free of charge ) can be considered "vote rigging through manipulation of voter requirements" or discriminatory?


Quote:After Six-Year Fight, Perry Signs Voter ID into Law

by Daniel Setiawan
Published on: Friday, May 27, 2011

After six years of fierce partisan battling, the legislative war over voter ID in Texas is officially over.

Gov. Rick Perry signed the voter ID bill into law this morning. The legislation requires voters to present one of five acceptable forms of photo ID—a drivers license, military ID, passport, concealed handgun license or a special voter ID card provided free of charge by the state. Gov. Perry designated voter ID as an “emergency item” early in the session, giving it particular priority as lawmakers rushed it through the legislative process.

"This simple action, no more complicated then cashing a check down at the HEB or applying for a library card down the street, will appropriately help maintain the integrity and fairness of our electoral system here in the Lone Star State,” Gov. Perry said at the signing.
More than 30 Republican House members and senators packed the small reception room in the Capitol to witness the event. Gov. Perry, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and Speaker of the House Joe Straus heaped praise and thanks on the assembled lawmakers for their hard work. “This is what democracy is all about,” Perry said, acknowledging the crowd.

Democrats, of course, would disagree. For them, this day is a historic loss. Democrats have been fighting voter ID legislation since it was first purposed in 2005, arguing that it would disenfranchise poor and minority voters who traditionally vote Democratic. Republicans argued that voter ID legislation was needed to prevent voter fraud. But Democrats see it as a ploy to give the GOP an edge in elections.

Although outnumbered in the Legislature, Democrats succeeded in blocking voter ID bills for three straight sessions. However, this session—with Republicans holding a two-thirds majority in the House—they simply didn't have the numbers to stop the GOP juggernaut from forcing the bill into law.

The bill signed today enacts a voter ID law more stringent than its counterparts in other states. Unlike Indiana's law—which the bill was largely based on—Texas' voter ID law doesn't recognize student IDs as acceptable forms of voter identification and it gives people with a missing an ID only six days to produce one in order for their vote to count.

Critics suspect that provisions in the bill may be challenged in federal courts. Due to its history of discriminatory voting practices like poll taxes and literacy tests, Texas is one of nine states that, according to the Voting Rights Act, must first clear any significant election law changes with the U.S. Department of Justice.

“I would not be surprised, given Texas' history, if it is not pre-cleared.” Jim Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project said. “And there is no doubt that this will result in litigation if it becomes law. It's just a question of whose going to file it and when.”

The signing of the bill this morning is a symbolic end to the long feud between Texas Democrats and Republicans over voter ID legislation. But the real battle may be just beginning.

http://www.texasobserver.org/component/k2/item/17879-voter-id-signed-into-law


Regards,
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Originally Posted By: HunterBear71No, you're wrong. Not every opponont of voter id laws has a desire to commit felony election rigging. That's a ridiculous statement.

I didn't say that. I said some of them were perfectly willing to let OTHERS commit felony election rigging, and that is a true statement.
 
Quote:Investigation of two noncitizen voters may bolster Scott’s fight with feds.

Though the feds want to shut it down, Florida’s noncitizen voter purge has identified two Miami-Dade men who might have voted illegally.

By Marc Caputo and Monique O. Madan


Two Miami-Dade men caught up in a controversial voter purge could face criminal charges for possibly casting unlawful ballots in Florida elections, The Miami Herald has learned.

The cases of Neville M. Walters and Ramon Cue add a new layer of political complexity to Florida’s contentious noncitizen voter purge, a focal point in the national debate over fraud and fairness in this year’s presidential election.

On Friday, county elections supervisors showed so little faith in the state-led purge that their state association said they shouldn’t cooperate. The announcement came just hours after the U.S. Justice Department ordered Florida to stop its effort citing two federal voting-rights laws, partly because the purge could disproportionately affect minorities.

Florida Gov. Rick Scott wouldn’t rule out fighting the Justice Department in court. “We want fair elections,” Scott said. “We want people who have the right to vote go out there and vote.”

The cases of Cue and Neville could strengthen his administration’s hand because they suggest there’s a good chance more ineligible voters are on the rolls and could cast ballots unlawfully if they’re not stopped.

They were among 13 registered voters who acknowledged they weren’t U.S. citizens, Miami-Dade’s election supervisor says. Since elections records show each voted — Cue once in 1996 and Walters seven times since 2000 — the office forwarded the men’s names to the Miami-Dade state attorney’s office. The two could face third-degree felony charges.

“We are investigating the allegations,” said Ed Griffith, Miami-Dade state attorney’s office spokesman. “First, we need to make sure the data is accurate.”

No easy task. Any large-scale effort to clean voter rolls is beset with false positives and errors due to misspellings and inaccurate addresses in a database of more than 11 million active voters, plus nearly 1 million more classified as inactive voters.

Cue, 53 and from Miami, told The Herald he’s a schizophrenic, doesn’t remember voting and said three others have his same name and birth date.

“I’ve never voted a day in my life,” Cue said. “I’ve lived in this house for 14 years and I have never filled out any paperwork regarding voting.”

Neville couldn’t be reached.

The 13 total noncitizen voters identified so far on the Miami-Dade rolls are minuscule compared to the 492 people identified as citizens and, therefore, lawful voters.

Of the more than 1,600 potential noncitizens in Miami-Dade; about 65 percent have cast ballots. About 72 percent have cast ballots of the 262 identified in Broward.

In all, the Florida Division of Elections has identified nearly 2,700 voters who may not be eligible to vote because they are not U.S. citizens. But, supervisors say, the vast majority found have turned out to be citizens.

Miami-Dade is the state’s most-populous county and has the largest foreign-born population. As a result, its residents are most likely to be flagged in a sweep of potential noncitizens.

Hispanics are the state’s largest immigrant group. As a result, they account for 58 percent of those flagged as potential noncitizens, a Miami Herald analysis found. Hispanics make up 13 percent of the state’s 11.3 million active registered voters.

Independent voters and Democrats are the most likely to face being purged from rolls. Republicans and non-Hispanic whites — the backbone of the Republican Party — are the least likely to face removal.

Based on the racial and ethnic disparities in who’s targeted and who’s not, liberals and Democrats accused Scott and his handpicked secretary of state of intentionally targeting minorities.

Asked Friday if the state is targeting minorities, Scott said “absolutely not.”

“The Secretary of State’s office is doing the right thing,” Scott said. “We want people to vote. But we want fair elections.”

But, under the federal Voting Rights Act, the state needs to get permission before hunting for ineligible voters, Christian Herren, the DOJ’s lead civil rights voting lawyer told the state Thursday. He also said the National Voter Registration Act bans purges within 90 days of an election, meaning Florida should have stopped May 16.

Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner’s office says it will respond to Herren next week.

Detzner’s office and the Republican Party of Florida chairman, Lenny Curry, have complained that another agency under President Obama, the Department of Homeland Security, has blocked access to a federal database, which would help the state more easily identify noncitizens.

So the state began comparing the voter rolls, instead, with a motor vehicle database containing citizenship information that has out-of-date information. As a result, some people are improperly flagged as noncitizens, such as the two lawful Broward voters — including a Battle of the Bulge veteran — falsely identified as potential noncitizens.

The uncertainty made the state’s elections-supervisors association so nervous that they advised members to cease contacting voters.

“We haven’t halted,” said Christina White, deputy Miami-Dade elections supervisor. “We found the state list had a 33 percent error rate.

But when voters like Cue admit they shouldn’t be on the rolls, the county will remove them.

Cue doesn’t seem to mind. “I don’t care about this country to know who to even vote for. I was born in Cuba many years ago,” he told a Herald reporter. “Now please, let me eat."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/01/v-...l#storylink=cpy




So if there is a 33% margin of error, as pointed out above, one can assume that means there is a 67% probability that the names on the list of illegally registered voters in Florida are correct. Thus of the 2700 names on said list, 1809 of them would potentially be illegally registered. And, this is on top of the 52,000 names of DECEASED voters removed from the voter rolls.

On top of this, we have at least 13 names registered to vote, that are known, thus far, to be illegally registered, in one county... There are 67 counties in the state.

Do I really need to remind everyone how close the vote was after they sorted out the hanging chad?
 
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