anti interner providers

AOL, and AT&T...somehow that doesn't surprise me.
Pepsi Cola is another anti most people don't realize.
Good info, Al, thanks.

~River Runner~

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Do we have proof that AOL is anti gun or are we just supposed to believe it is so because another internet provider says that they are?
Sorry guys, looks like I posted the question twice.

[This message has been edited by Rich Cronk (edited 07-22-2001).]
 
Rich--I don't personally have any proof about AOL but I think I remember reading posts about folks who had AOL hosting their Web sites and when they posted pictures and writeups about guns/hunting/etc. they supposedly had their Web site either wiped out or the "offending" pictures/writeups deleted by AOL.
 
SilverFox,
My own hunting related website has been on AOL for quite some time. It even has photo's of dead animals on it. AOL has said nothing at all to me about it. Interesting ain't it?
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I'm not sure how one would go about proving the fact unless they had an actual confrontation with AOL on the subject. Or knew someone from behind the scenes that would admit information.

I'm not picking on ya Rich, you just brought up an interesting subject. I can think of many more AOL boycotters then I can supporters regarding the second amendment issues.

Here's some links for everyone to check out regarding the issue. http://www.reagan.com/HotTopics.main/HotMike/document-8.22.2000.3.html
http://www.conservativebeacon.com/no_AOL.html
http://endangeredsportsmen.org/articles/AOL%20Boycott.htm
http://www.rkba.net/wwwboard/messages/173.html

~River Runner~


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There's not a doubt in my mind that you would, Rich.
It'd be nice if AOL knew why they lost a customer every single time it was related to them and the second amendment issue. Just for statistics.
I'd be curious to know.

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Here are some interesting articles about AOL.
Interpret them as you wish. These are all on Keep And Bear Arms web site, but come from different sources such as GOA and NewsMax.com

https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=1156
https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=827
https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=821
https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=529
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,245016357,00.html

I really wasn't looking for anymore, but this one just popped up.

http://www.outdoorsunlimited.net/shotgunnews.html

[This message has been edited by Dale in OK (edited 07-23-2001).]
 
Hey Al,

Do you (or anyone else) use shootersinet.com as your ISP? If so how do you like the service? Any good or bad that you have to relate? I am looking to change ISP's and would like any info that you have.

Thank you in advance.

Also, Does anyone use outdoorsunlimited.net ? I see them advertise in my NRA mag all of the time.

Once again
Thanks

Dale



[This message has been edited by Dale in OK (edited 07-23-2001).]
 
I just called 1-703-265-1000 and talked with Vice President of member services. Her name is Melinda. This lady told me that to the best of her knowledge AOL has no policy regarding guns or gun ownership at least so far as their members are concerned.
 
Here is GOA's position on AOL:

America On Line Needs To Be Turned Off Line
by
Larry Pratt

Let me fully disclose my feelings about America On Line. I do not like the company. I do not like their politics and I do not like their service.

When I had America On Line I frequently found it impossible to download big programs. They would take so long that the little dialog box would pop up and tell me when I wasn't looking that I had not been using the computer, and would I like to stay connected? By the time I looked at the screen again I was off line.

I concluded that America On Line would be better named America Off Line. So, I turned them off permanently.

Now I am urging you to do the same. Even if you like the quality of their service. By patronizing AOL you are aiding and abetting the enemy.

Please let me explain.

Reports are frequently received at Gun Owners of America that AOL filters out pro-Second Amendment web sites.

Now, AOL has decided to escalate their war against our firearms freedoms. The Ogden, Utah office has fired three men pretty much because they are gun owners.

Luke Hansen, Paul Carlson and Jason Melling were well aware of the anti-self defense prohibition on guns in the workplace at AOL where they worked. They respected this dangerous workplace requirement.

However, one day they were in the parking lot which is leased, but not owned by AOL. On their own time, they were seen transferring firearms from their trunks to Hansen's trunk for an expedition to the shooting range.

Because of that, they were fired. The three are in court, but more should be done to support these three freedom fighters.

Sarah Thompson, a medical doctor and director the Utah Gun Owners Alliance has called for a boycott of AOL. I agree.

I would urge that you do two things.

Contact the folks at keepandbeararms.com on the web and sign up for their internet access service. If all you want is e-mail, that is free. The keepandbeararms.com internet service is competitively priced with AOL and is for unlimited service.

Then, call to cancel your AOL service so that you can tell an AOL representative why they are losing your business. Be polite; but be firm. You could also call the AOL national representative in Northern Virginia who is covering this issue, Nicholas Graham, and tell him what you have done. His number is 1-703-265-1746.

You might ask him if his policy would have stopped the killing of the seven people in the Wakefield, MA dot com office.

This is a "two-fer," folks; you're helping a great group at keepandbeararms.com (where you ought to be checking every day for firearms related news, anyway) and no longer will you be enriching a rabidly anti-gun company.

Here is some additional info I locate:


AOL Censors Out 2nd Amendment Rights

by Lisa Dean

NewsMax.com - The Internet is the only free uncensored system of communication in this country. Talk radio would come in a close second but there are many restrictions on the types of topics that can be covered, limitations on the number of times individuals can participate, restrictions from government on the radio stations themselves. And, of course, at any moment a talk station today carrying Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura and a host of popular local talk show folks can tomorrow turn into an acid rocker station with 24 hours of head-banging or what some claim is music.

That is why knowing who controls the Internet and what their policies are becomes very important. For the last year or so, the 800-pound gorilla of the Internet in the US is America On Line. With 22 million subscribers it dominates everyone else in the field. That is why it is extremely disturbing that AOL has adopted a policy that treats guns and ammunition the same as child pornography and pedophilia. If you try to buy or sell live ammo from your AOL account you will be monitored and eventually you will be warned and if you don't cease and desist, then your account will be closed.

Last year AOL sent an email to one of its customers, a licensed firearms dealer saying:

"We have become aware of a web page site that is part of your account. This web page violates Hometown AOL's Community Standards, which prohibits sexually explicit graphics, links to other sites which Hometown deems offensive, harassment, the use of vulgar or sexually oriented language, discussion of illegal activities, and/or other activities that may impair the enjoyment of our community's members.

"We have placed a note of this incident on your account history and consider this a first warning. We have removed all the file(s) from your web page/ftp site. A second occurrence will result in termination of your account with no chance of reactivation."

AOL has made this policy arbitrarily and yet will not explain it to its subscribers. Child pornography is illegal. Guns and ammunition are protected under the Second Amendment. Yet AOL chooses to treat the two identically by refusing to allow any one of its subscribers to engage in his Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. In doing so, of course, AOL has followed in the path of a host of smaller Internet Service Providers who have the same policy.

When the Constitution provides that a practice is legal and yet someone hinders our ability to exercise that practice, that someone is setting himself up as an arbiter of our rights. From whom does AOL get this authority? Well, of course, they are a private business and they can adopt whatever practice they wish. But when you look at what companies AOL has swallowed up in the past year and those few that are left that don't have such arbitrary policies, it is truly frightening.

Unless someone with a lot of capital is willing to come in to start a new ISP and is going to be open to keeping the Second Amendment alive and well, there may come a time very soon when gun owners are simply shut out of every medium of communication.

They have no television sympathetic to them. Radio, with the exception of short wave, is very restricted. Now many newspapers and magazines will not take ads for guns and ammunition and if they do, gun-grabbing organizations are encouraging readers to tear them out. The Internet was one place, for a short time, gun owners could go to exercise their freedom.

Yes, AOL is a business free to make its own policies. But customers are also free to make their own decisions as well. No person who respects the Second Amendment should subscribe to AOL unless they change their policies.

There are millions of gun owners and other online services that will gladly accept new customers and the cost is in dollar amounts, not in freedoms.

If computer users take their freedom seriously and switch to another provider, AOL will feel it in the bottom line. At that point perhaps they may be willing to discuss the matter with their subscribers. At that point perhaps AOL will respect and preserve the rights of Americans to practice the right to keep and bear arms in practical terms. If not, perhaps AOL should find a more comfortable home elsewhere . . . say . . . in Havana or Beijing.

Lisa Dean is Vice President for Technology Policy at the Free Congress Foundation. Reproduced with the permission of NewsMax.com. All rights reserved.

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“No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms, is as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
Thomas Jefferson, June 1776

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Calypso,
I see a whole lot of accusations regarding AOL. People saying AOL did this or AOL did that, but so far I have seen no real proof. As for the firing of those employee's, well they knew it was against the rules to have guns on company controlled property so they have nobody to blame but themselves in my opinion. If we are going to beat up on every company that don't allow employees to carry guns in the workplace, there won't be many companies left that we do business with. I asked AOL outright if they had anti-gun policy and they told me that they did not. I know of exactly zero anti-hunting or anti-gun organizations that would deny their stance. Now I am not picking on you but I would like to see a newspaper article, a TV broadcast or any other real proof that AOL is anti-gun. Have you seen any real proof Bob?

[This message has been edited by Rich Cronk (edited 07-27-2001).]
 
Rich, Bob, and others we don't need to get all up-tight about the issue. I too am an AOL user, I been in the chat rooms on aol the have lots of chat room for hunter and shooters and 1/2 the time they are all tied up with people like us who love to shoot and hunt. And a lot of my firearm distributers are AOL member or what ever you want to call it. I don't disagree or agree with all the B.S. over this issue but lets not let it get out of hand here. (Just a reminder)

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Jason,
You are exactly right and I won't post anymore comments concerning this matter until I see some real proof one way or another. The point I am trying to make is that anyone who knows computors can start a website and make false claims about people or companies. Without real solid proof to back up what they say, should we believe all of these rumors? Just my two cents worth.
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