How crazy are we? RP supporters that is...

YG92.....good post. There are some who continuously bash RP and I do not think they fully understand the limitations on government by the Constitution. RP does. It is easy to throw rocks at someone when you think you know the issues. Those rock throwers are influenced by the MSM even though they would argue that point. None of the current POTUS candidates would change the core issues as RP has articulated. One more point, if anyone thinks there is any real difference between the R & D parties they are badly mistaken. The Judge in the first link is absolutely right!!!
 
And it's easy to to throw rocks right back, as in the above case, when YOU think you know the issues, but may also be a little confused. You can't just pick and choose which issues to support. If you support a dangerous looney man you get all of his issues.

According to Ron Paul
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Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2012 9:27:44 AM by jenk

According to Ron Paul, in order to stop terrible oppressors like China from killing 100 million more of their own people, we need to play ping pong.

According to Ron Paul, if you intend to save the country and be credited with bringing it back to a Constitutional Republic, vote for only a few appropriation bills in 24 years, and earmark every nickel for the 14th District of Texas, that way, you are not spending money on frivolous things like the rest of the country.

According to Ron Paul, one must agree with the decision of Roe v. Wade because of the Constitutional right to privacy in the 4th amendment, but constantly proclaim you are pro-life.

According to Ron Paul, a "little bit of a difference" in foreign policy is stopping military support of Israel, since they are an illegitimate country in the first place, and that Israel is holding the Hamas-controlled Gaza strip as Hilter held the Jews in a concentration camp. Incidentally, Paul called Israel a "national socialist state" in his newsletters that he signed in 1987.

According to Ron Paul, not ruling out going third party is simply a reserve of judgement, since he is not sure yet how the primary race will pan out.

According to Ron Paul, Hamas is legitimate, and the Palestinians got ripped off, and cannot be the aggressors in the Middle East because they don't have the power, and that US support for Israel is blind.

According to Ron Paul, the war on drugs must end with the legalization of all vice laws, because vice laws take away individual freedom to do what you wish, harming no one but yourself and your property. Not once has he suggested how to deal with the domestic violence and death associated with someone supposedly just harming himself.

Sewn up in a package as the potential leader of our nation, Ron Paul offers appeasement, self-absorption, incorrect and convenient reading of the Constitution, anti-Semitism, the idea that if he's not the nominee, America deserves another 4 years of Obama, and absolute blindness of the people hurt by rampant drug use.

Given that package, Ron Paul is not really that much different than President Obama.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2830224/posts
 
You won't be here when I'm in your shoes. After your generation is dead and gone, mine and future ones will still be sorting out all of the mistakes being made today.

If you think my support for Ron Paul is based on 1 or 2 issues you are sorely mistaken.

Dig us deeper into debt. Make our currency inflate further. Continue to build animosity toward our nation. Continue to provide giant tax breaks to corporations that outsource jobs every day. Keep the same policies in place when it comes to housing and debt. Involve us in foreign wars that we have no business in. Decide who can or can't be in a military you won't even be in. Turn a country founded on a basis of religious freedom into a country [beeep]-bent on eliminating diversity. Please do all these things, I'm sure it'll take us right back to the good-ole-days.

To say Ron Paul not supporting Israel is antisemitic is like saying not voting for Obama made you racist. You can't relate a lack of support to racism. As I recall, nearly everyone on this forum hated Obama (pretty sure most still do
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On the abortion issue: How hard is it to understand that just because you don't support something, doesn't mean you have to want it outlawed. Ron Paul doesn't like abortion, he just isn't going to make laws telling a woman what she gets to do with her body. That's not the federal government's job.

At what point do you think states having the power to decriminalize pot will lead to this incredible rise in domestic violence and crime? Do you really think Mexican drug cartels can grow, process, transport, and distribute a crop cheaper than an American farmer could produce it for?

So the addictive, violence-inducing, home-wrecker that is alcohol should be allowed? But, a drug that makes people eat a lot and then fall asleep will make crime so widespread our country would fall apart overnight if states were given the right to choose the legality of such a substance?

Freedom isn't a a pick-and-choose topic. You don't get to make someone else's life choices based on your morals. You uphold everyone's freedoms, or you sacrifice America's true purpose. The Bible is not the law of our land. The Constitution is.

Your choice of cited material leads me to believe you will never understand how the country actually feels.

Heck you probably still think the "occupy movements" are a bunch of people whining about not getting the same level of income as one-another.
 
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I do know the issues. I can safely say I am closer to the issues than most here. No, I am not confused. If you would take the time and comminucate with RP, you would find that your comments above are confused. Example, RP is not pro-abortion, he is pro-life and believes it should be a state issue, not the federal government. Some folks keep bringing up RP running a third party ticket. Nonsense. I find that many conservatives are to busy squabbling amongst themselves on the issues when they really do not understand the principles behind them. Furthermore, do not truly understand Constitutional principles. All the other candidates are status quo republicans, if elected, nothing of any substance will change. Ultimately, the real battle is for the mind and that battle is being incrementally lost. The American people are too wrapped up on who is dancing across the stage and sports. Sand for the arena. The real losers will be our young people. They will foot the bill in both finances and freedom. They will reap the consequences of my generations (and the two behind me) apathy, idoletry and greed.
 
On domestic issues, I'm in agreement with RP quite often. On foreign policy, he's actually to the left of Zero. His ties to actual racist, Neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic groups are brushed aside. Meanwhile, drug laws, the draft, the absence of a draft and death penalty ARE racist.
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Greg, I've got to say, that like dawg, I agree with most of his domestic issues. His foreign policy, is imo, insane. I also agree that I cannot become enamored with any of the present candidates. However even if RP was to be elected he would not be able to implement most of his agenda. And frankly would add to the possibilities of an eventual 3rd WW by ignoring the chance to alter things early on. His appeasement attitude didn't work well for England in WW2. And BTW, I had hoped that by winning the seat in your state that you would not let it go to head but it appears that is not the case. You and I seemed to almost always agree back before you became such an important guy. I haven't changed, wonder who has.It is above ridiculous for you to be so vain and accuse us , shall we say, less important guys, of not understanding Constitutional principles. You have no idea of any of our backgrounds or education. You just might be surprised. Simply because we don't agree with your opinions doesn't mean we don't understand. Possibly we don't understand what suddenly happened to the old Greg that we truly enjoyed conversing with.

I understand that America is in a mess and that not one of those candidates on that stage can make much difference, least of all RP.
 
Originally Posted By: azmastablasta And BTW, I had hoped that by winning the seat in your state that you would not let it go to head but it appears that is not the case. You and I seemed to almost always agree back before you became such an important guy. I haven't changed, wonder who has.It is above ridiculous for you to be so vain and accuse us , shall we say, less important guys, of not understanding Constitutional principles. You have no idea of any of our backgrounds or education. You just might be surprised. Simply because we don't agree with your opinions doesn't mean we don't understand. Possibly we don't understand what suddenly happened to the old Greg that we truly enjoyed conversing with.



I don't believe it has "gone to my head". If that were the case I would be arrogant enough to run for re-election. I am not.

I have not changed one iota, I just became close enough to the "inside" to see all the hypocrisy that most do not. That does give me a little more insight than what I had before.

Actually, I am looking forward to the end of my term.

Quite possibly, you have misinterpreted my thoughts in my post or I just came across the wrong way. Either way, I still think RP is better for the country than the rest of the current crowd. I do not see eye to eye with RP on all issues but I am not going to let that prevent me from looking at the bigger picture. The economy alone is enough of an issue to warrant the support of him. All other issues will be moot if we descend into an economic collapse and the associated controls that will be implemented with it.
 
Originally Posted By: greg223 The economy alone is enough of an issue to warrant the support of him. All other issues will be moot if we descend into an economic collapse and the associated controls that will be implemented with it.

We won't have to worry about the economy after the Ahmedinnerjacket give us a mushroom cloud over a major city. We can't live in a bubble. RP thinks we can.
 
It is certainly possible that I may have misinterpreted your original post. But believe me Greg, it is not necessary to be on the inside to see the hypocrisy. That is the cause of most of our troubles in this country today. It's everywhere you look but most especially in politics. I watch the debates even though I really find them disgusting. My poor wife has to continually remind me to calm down. I just want to choke the crap out of all of them at one time or another. Our generation has screwed this country up so terribly that the next generation will never experience many of the freedoms that we enjoyed. Now we can blame that on the Dems, but that would be disingenuous. They surely tend to be the ones starting the ball rolling,but they haven't done it alone.

I don't particularly like any of the candidates, although once again I will hold my nose and vote for anyone other than zero. I share some libertarian beliefs, but for the most part find most to be based on beliefs that simply are too dangerous in today's world. America did not rise to prominence in the world by hiding our head in the sand and hoping. We became that shining city on the hill by being bound to morals and right and lost many fine citizens defending them since our inception.

You and I are close in age and have lived through many of the good and bad times. Our parents and grandparents also imparted first hand experience to us. I come from a long line of conservatives and have passed it on to my children.
I know I should probably just let it go and not get so riled up about some of the things I see posted here, but it's nearly impossible to ignore after a life so actively involved in such things. RP has fooled so many of the young and exuberant people in this country into believing he is the end all and be all. The fact of the matter is he is just as hypocritical as the rest. The truth is that he attracts the young and inexperienced just like the Pied Piper, and in his feeble thinking will lead them off the pier as well.

I disagree with your assessment that the economy alone is enough to support him. He will have no ability to implement his agenda and his foreign policy is inviting disaster. The only thing he or any other Rep can do is hopefully prevent more appointments of socialist judges and any of the present candidates can do that. Our struggles should be focused on those in the House and Senate. At the very least dump the Dems and in a perfect world also dump non conservative Repubs. But then I'm probably just dreaming.

Nice to see you back, I hope your service didn't beat you down too badly. I know you are a strong conservative and want the best for your country. We can agree to disagree and that's fine.
 
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Originally Posted By: redeyeddawg
We won't have to worry about the economy after the Ahmedinnerjacket give us a mushroom cloud over a major city. We can't live in a bubble. RP thinks we can.

Yes, because in the next 4 years Iran will develop, build, test, and finalize a nuclear weapon. Then they will launch it at the US without us having any knowledge of it happening. It will destroy a whole city and kill thousands, and it will all be Ron Paul's fault. Sounds pretty accurate I'd say. I think you're succeeding here in converting me.
 
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*some* RP supporters are crazy. I mean batsqueeze crazy. some are his worst enemy, they're just utterly obnoxious towards anyone who isn't on the train.

but that's some, not all.

none of us can predict the future. we pull everything back militarily like RP wants, maybe it's all happy happy joy-joy. or maybe iran really puts the steam to things, the situation escalates & israel, left with no choice, deals with them & it results in the entire ME torching off, ultimately drawing in allies resulting in the next world war?

or maybe some mucked up deal in between those. no way to know.

domestically he'd be locked in a fight with congress & I'm pretty sure he won't be able to get a lot of what he wants done. but he should be able to get some done.

I think a lot of people have unreal expectations.

in 2008 almost all of my daughters friends voted for obama "because he's going to legalize pot", yet I never heard him even say he was thinking about it, much less intended to.

I guess not a damned one of them stopped to think about the fact that even if federal laws change, the state of alabamistan still bans it as a controlled substance.

Domestically I agree with RP on a lot. Most of it requires legislation & I haven't figured out how we're supposed to get congress to do it. Looking at the house & senate, where's his support base?

I'm not saying it's not worth trying, just that it isn't so simple.

He has some real potential in stopping stuff, more than getting anything new done. he can veto every spending bill if they don't meet his goals. The flaw in that plan is that congress can vote to override his veto. But I have to think that he could use the veto to force at least some bloody cuts, which is better than the no cuts at all that we're getting now.
 
Originally Posted By: YoungGun92Originally Posted By: redeyeddawg
We won't have to worry about the economy after the Ahmedinnerjacket give us a mushroom cloud over a major city. We can't live in a bubble. RP thinks we can.

Yes, because in the next 4 years Iran will develop, build, test, and finalize a nuclear weapon. Then they will launch it at the US without us having any knowledge of it happening. It will destroy a whole city and kill thousands, and it will all be Ron Paul's fault. Sounds pretty accurate I'd say. I think you're succeeding here in converting me.

This may come as a surprise to a young fella like yourself, but no one here has any hope or intent in converting you. We were all young once and like you were convinced that we knew all there was to know about everything. The world has a way of changing that attitude over time. Vote for whomever you wish, it won't make a difference and RP will never be POTUS. There are simply not enough young, naive voters out there to make it happen. Sorry to have to use that word you hate so much, but it is in fact accurate. Someday you will look back as a more experienced individual and realize that naive was an apt description.
 
Originally Posted By: YoungGun92Originally Posted By: redeyeddawg
We won't have to worry about the economy after the Ahmedinnerjacket give us a mushroom cloud over a major city. We can't live in a bubble. RP thinks we can.

Yes, because in the next 4 years Iran will develop, build, test, and finalize a nuclear weapon. Then they will launch it at the US without us having any knowledge of it happening. It will destroy a whole city and kill thousands, and it will all be Ron Paul's fault. Sounds pretty accurate I'd say. I think you're succeeding here in converting me.

It won't be Ron Paul's fault, because he won't get elected. He won't get the nomination.
 
And which nefarious conspiracy group refuses to allow him to be elected? Would that be the Builderbergs, the John Birch Society,the Illuminati? I suppose it may be that deep shadowy Skull and Bones Club at Yale, the ones who joined with W, who was a member, and planned the Twin Towers attack on 9/11.

Man you Paulistinians just don't have a chance huh?
 
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