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#1622761 - 06/23/10 08:11 PM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: redeyeddawg]
Simon Offline
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Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 50
Loc: Washington State
1. Broadhead Type - 100 grain Grim Reaperd HADES fixed Head.
2. Bow - 2008 PSE Brute.
3. Draw weight and draw length - 65 pounds with a 28 DL.
4. How they fly compared to field tips. I Walk my Bh's into my FP holes. Close match.
5. How far the shot was - 50 yards
6. How far the tracking job was - He dropped in View. About a 40 yard walk.

This is the entrance,



Pass through at 50 yards. He was Slightly Quartering away. Impact was at the left shoulder/Pit and exited through the Front right bris/ right shoulder. he was slightly moving and feeding. Out open in a Alfalfa Field. Wavy terrain.



The Exit,



My Little helper. I'm partially disabled with a Bad back. Med. Ret. LEO. My son who was 8 at the time. likes to jump in and help daddy out with the gutting. I'm very proud of him.


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#1622978 - 06/24/10 01:15 AM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: Simon]
crowpopper Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 01/03/08
Posts: 1286
Loc: Upstate NewYork( Adirondacks)
well ill have to dig up the pics on my kills but my fav is
Crimson talons fixed heads
i shot a yote at 20 or so yards head on in the chest it stuck out his bung and mad a hole like a blender
as well as the doe i shot at 25 yards clean through it and resaults looked like a blender blade blasted through the deer
the fixed blade crimsons fly like my field tips and actually cut the wind great
i am shooting them out of a Buckmasters BTR set at 30 inch draw and 65 lbs

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#1628745 - 07/05/10 12:00 AM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: redeyeddawg]
TCook Offline
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Registered: 02/06/09
Posts: 707
Loc: arkansas
I've been keeping an eye on this interesting post just to see what the different opinions are on broadheads. Here's mine.

I run a blood dog tracking service along with my other main business. I track well over 100 deer a year, & I charge the hunter regardless of whether we find the deer or not. Since I charge to track, almost all of the deer I put the dog on are good bucks that are hit bad (mechanicals are the exception to this rule). Many of the deer I track that have been shot with mechanicals are actually hit pretty good, but there is often times no exit wound making for a poor blood trail. We find or bay almost all of the deer we track, & often times a follow up shot is needed. We don't get them all, & I believe most of those deer make it unless infection gets em later on. I keep up with all of the deer I track & what they are shot with. I've found over the years that deer shot with mechanicals more often than not only have an entry hole & no exit (penetration problems) they are also a lot more likely to tear up than a fixed blade. Of the deer that we have not been able to recover the majority of them have been shot with mechanicals. Last year I tracked 106 deer, 49 of them were shot with bows, the rest were gun. Of the 49 bow shot deer 32 were shot with fixed blade heads, & 17 were shot with mechanicals. Of the 32 shot with fixed blades we found 27 of them, 84.4% recovery. Most of the deer recovered also had exit holes from the fixed blade heads. Of the 17 shot with mechanicals 11 were recovered, 65% recovery, & over half of the recovered deer did not have exit holes.

I personally have never tried mechanicals because of the reasons listed above. I have had extremely good luck with fixed blades. I shot Muzzy 115gr. 4 blades for years, then I switched to the shorter ferrule Muzzy mx4's. Since then I changed to the Grizz Trick 100gr. 4 blades because they are built on a similar design as the muzzy's just better in my opinion. The blades are sharper & thicker, they have a larger cutting diameter, the ferrule is short (flies great)& a one piece design. I don't see changing from them anytime in the near future, great heads! I've shot 7 bucks since switching to them & only one made it out of sight, I shot all seven with the same head & arrow, just changed the blades.

OFFICIAL DAMAGE: fixed blades do more damage because they penetrate & hold together a lot better than mechanicals.

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#1628943 - 07/05/10 01:00 PM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: TCook]
Rubenator Offline
Die Hard Member with a vengeance

Registered: 01/10/08
Posts: 4430
Loc: Oakland,Il.
Excellent post cook. I have pondered the idea of a tracking dog in Illinois, but would not have any idea where to start. I believe a fella could do pretty good around here tracking some of these trophies, and especially if you get a reputation for a high percentage of recovery.

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#1629359 - 07/05/10 11:46 PM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: Rubenator]
TCook Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 02/06/09
Posts: 707
Loc: arkansas
Rubenator, I can't think of a better place than IL to have a tracking service. I bet you would stay busy all day & night with the quality of deer you have there.

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#1629384 - 07/06/10 12:29 AM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: TCook]
TCook Offline
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Registered: 02/06/09
Posts: 707
Loc: arkansas
Here's a couple from last season. Both were shot with mechanicals. Both were gut shot. Neither was a complete pass through. Little, to no blood. Both were shot with approx. 60lb bows. Both would have been impossible to track without a dog.

Top deer shot with 2 blade rage. Arrow was found just before finding the deer, it came back out of the entry hole.



bottom deer also shot with mechanical (forgot what brand). Arrow broke off, broadhead end of arrow is still in the deer.


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#1629497 - 07/06/10 10:32 AM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: TCook]
cbosshog79 Offline
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Registered: 08/13/06
Posts: 4424
Loc: Henderson County, Texas
Originally Posted By: cookstaxi
I've been keeping an eye on this interesting post just to see what the different opinions are on broadheads. Here's mine.

I run a blood dog tracking service along with my other main business. I track well over 100 deer a year, & I charge the hunter regardless of whether we find the deer or not. Since I charge to track, almost all of the deer I put the dog on are good bucks that are hit bad (mechanicals are the exception to this rule). Many of the deer I track that have been shot with mechanicals are actually hit pretty good, but there is often times no exit wound making for a poor blood trail. We find or bay almost all of the deer we track, & often times a follow up shot is needed. We don't get them all, & I believe most of those deer make it unless infection gets em later on. I keep up with all of the deer I track & what they are shot with. I've found over the years that deer shot with mechanicals more often than not only have an entry hole & no exit (penetration problems) they are also a lot more likely to tear up than a fixed blade. Of the deer that we have not been able to recover the majority of them have been shot with mechanicals. Last year I tracked 106 deer, 49 of them were shot with bows, the rest were gun. Of the 49 bow shot deer 32 were shot with fixed blade heads, & 17 were shot with mechanicals. Of the 32 shot with fixed blades we found 27 of them, 84.4% recovery. Most of the deer recovered also had exit holes from the fixed blade heads. Of the 17 shot with mechanicals 11 were recovered, 65% recovery, & over half of the recovered deer did not have exit holes.

I personally have never tried mechanicals because of the reasons listed above. I have had extremely good luck with fixed blades. I shot Muzzy 115gr. 4 blades for years, then I switched to the shorter ferrule Muzzy mx4's. Since then I changed to the Grizz Trick 100gr. 4 blades because they are built on a similar design as the muzzy's just better in my opinion. The blades are sharper & thicker, they have a larger cutting diameter, the ferrule is short (flies great)& a one piece design. I don't see changing from them anytime in the near future, great heads! I've shot 7 bucks since switching to them & only one made it out of sight, I shot all seven with the same head & arrow, just changed the blades.

OFFICIAL DAMAGE: fixed blades do more damage because they penetrate & hold together a lot better than mechanicals.


Great post! I tend to agree with you on the mechanical issue and have noticed the lack of penetration (as compared to fixed blade) specifically on hogs. With that said I shoot a slower bow but there definitely seems to be a pattern.
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#1629506 - 07/06/10 11:01 AM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: cbosshog79]
Zack Beam Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/21/10
Posts: 905
Loc: Fort Mitchell, AL
Both of those deer look to be bad shots to me. If the arrow isnt put in the right spot then no broadhead will do its job very effectivly.

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#1629532 - 07/06/10 11:53 AM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: Zack Beam]
TCook Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 02/06/09
Posts: 707
Loc: arkansas
Zack that's true, but when a deer is hit bad is when broadhead damage is most important!! More penetration=More damage. The point I was making with the above pictures, is that both deer were shot in the gut, which should result in a pass through with most bow setups, as this is the softest area of the body. Both deer were shot broadside at close range. The reason they didn't get a pass through on either deer is because their bows don't have enough energy to push the big mechanical heads through the deer. The result is less damage due to poor penetration.

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#1629548 - 07/06/10 12:25 PM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: TCook]
Zack Beam Offline
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Registered: 03/21/10
Posts: 905
Loc: Fort Mitchell, AL
Do you know what heads they were using?

P.S. That second deer is a hoss!

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#1629826 - 07/06/10 09:01 PM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: TCook]
redeyeddawg Offline
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Registered: 02/09/06
Posts: 6478
Loc: Maryland's Eastern Shore
Originally Posted By: cookstaxi
Zack that's true, but when a deer is hit bad is when broadhead damage is most important!! More penetration=More damage. The point I was making with the above pictures, is that both deer were shot in the gut, which should result in a pass through with most bow setups, as this is the softest area of the body. Both deer were shot broadside at close range. The reason they didn't get a pass through on either deer is because their bows don't have enough energy to push the big mechanical heads through the deer. The result is less damage due to poor penetration.


Exactly. I bought into the Rage hype and paid dearly. I will shoot quality fixed heads from here on out.
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#1629829 - 07/06/10 09:03 PM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: Zack Beam]
ARDave Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 03/17/10
Posts: 1064
Loc: Arkansas
I have no experience with the rage broadheads, but all I have heard is how they fall apart. Usually before they are even used.

-Dave
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#1629879 - 07/06/10 10:12 PM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: Zack Beam]
TCook Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 02/06/09
Posts: 707
Loc: arkansas
Originally Posted By: Zack Beam
Do you know what heads they were using?



The first deer was shot with a rage 2 blade. The second was shot with a 3 blade mechanical, but I don't remember for sure what brand.

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#1629904 - 07/06/10 10:40 PM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: TCook]
TCook Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 02/06/09
Posts: 707
Loc: arkansas
This deer was shot through both front shoulders with a Grizz Trick 100gr. 4 blade. It was a complete pass through, & both legs were broke. Blades were bent, but not broken The deer went down on impact & pushed itself with its hind legs about 30 yds before it died. A friend of mine shot this deer & after seeing the damage I switched over to them. I've been very pleased with there performance.

This is the entry hole. Exit is even bigger, but I don't have any pics of the other side. I hid my friends identity because I'm posting this picture without his knowledge.

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#1630133 - 07/07/10 10:09 AM Re: Official Broadhead Damage Thread [Re: ARDave]
redeyeddawg Offline
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Registered: 02/09/06
Posts: 6478
Loc: Maryland's Eastern Shore
Originally Posted By: ARDave
I have no experience with the rage broadheads, but all I have heard is how they fall apart. Usually before they are even used.

-Dave


That's what happened to me Dave and on the first shot with that particular head. Never again.
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