I realize a ghillie suit is not for everyone, but for those who may be looking for one in the future, I thought I’d post a few pictures of our DSG (DSG – Desert, Sage & Grassland) camo ghillie. We have been working the design improvement, ghillie string length, and various ghillie string colors for sometime.

Thought I’d share these pictures as well as ask for design feedback from those who own the light weight over clothes string type ghillie's.

If you already own a over clothes type ghillies suit. Are there any design changes you would suggest? Biggest problem with the one you own and or the best aspect of the one you own.

My biggest issue was color and the minimal amount of ghillie string on most brands of suit. Seemed like the colors were not right for the area I hunted, and the amount of ghillie string on the suit was very sparse. As a retailer we buy the ghillie’s from various US suppliers, they varied in overall weight from 2.5 – 3.5lbs. The amount of ghillie string can vary by over a pound depending on brand. The retail price is was the same.


Long story short, we are working on our own brand of suit. These suits are designed for hunting and maximum camouflage affect. They will weigh in at 5.5 lbs – 1kg of additional ghillie material, but cost the same as the others.



ps we also have a WSG Camo (woodland, shrubs, and greenery) suit as well.

I got this one from you guys a year ago and I like it alot. But you asked so i will say that I wish the Base shell of the suit was Duller than it is. And the gun Ghilli I never use. I think that if you made it more for covering the scope,mid section of the Rifle like a glove I would like that better.
I dont see any thing wrong with the color at all. Keep up the good work.....Thanks Jeff

AP,

Having bought and used one of the ghillies you said were needing improvement...I agree. It looks like you got the "hands on" done, and have a great product up and coming!

Kudos! It looks great!

Barry

will your suits be out of burlap or jute? what's the exact price and when can we expect them to come out for purchase?

I got one last year the head piece really restricted peripheral view other than that I loved it

knee and shin pads, AND FAT GUY SIZES!

AP,

Can you provide a closeup picture of the coloration? Hard to tell from the pics, as I need something very light colored with dark mix, with my terrain.

Thanks...Tony

cawwilson82,

Constructed with breathable camo underlining. Designed to be worn over jeans and t-shirt. Lightweight design for use in warmer hunting conditions. It is a complete suit with storage bag. Some features included. Elastic/draw string in pant waist. Easy snap closure on jacket. Vail/hood features adjustable chinstrap and open mesh camo that hides eyes/glasses. Includes rifle wrap. Fire retardant.

The ghillie material is synthetic fibers/string which are mildew resistant / no smells when damp / orderless non-allergenic /rot proof / hand washable. The suit will retail for $69.95.

Wallbass45, point taken on the rifle wrap. We will look at that area for improvement.

Misslebait, as for the sizes we have focused on the size and cut of the suits. Our aim as to have are cuts large and full to provide the ability to comfortably wear a sweat shirt under the top if needed. They will be big M/L or XL/2XL for American sized hunters.

Tony, I'll post a close up picture asap. The prototype suits are loaned out to some field testers.


Thanks for the comments.

AP

They aren't large enough.

when will we be able to buy them

My opinion is that the suits need to be short. About mid thigh where you can wear them with out attracting every cuckleburr in the pasture. i have one now that is a great suit. I have had animals run right by me coming to the call, but picking those burrs out of the bottom is too much of a a hassle to wear it.

Got one last year and so far so good not to heavy. Only dislike is the head cover maybe its just me but I just cant see the best out of it.But overall great product.

I use the light weight one I bought through APC all the time.

Pros: light weight, color matches fine (in western sage/grass country, and forest as far as I'm concerned), IS big enough to fit over cold clothes (for me), base material is cool and breathable, snaps are WAY better than velcro and are quiet plastic. Oh, and the boonie has a nice width adjustment that I use often for whether I have head phones on or not.

Cons: face shield too visually restrictive, rifle drape is a pain, boonie needed more "back/side" neck material. Coat could be a little longer (forget the pants).

I cut off the face shield right away and used that material and the rifle drape material to make the hat better (I put lots of material on the side and back to break up my neck outline without blocking my vision. I used the stuff sack to make a bandana/mask (great pattern).

Here it is:


Keep up the good work -- love your company.

TcCarter, I hope to be done with testing / changes soon and have then produced / availble for late summer.

Some have problems with the suits picking up burrs and junk. I agree, depending on the terain I wear only the top and head cover, and standard camo pants (normally there is enough ground cover to eliminate the need for the ghilllie pants), I also cut out the face net and wear a base ball cap under the head cover - it keeps the strings away from my eyes

ps these things really excel at fooling crows.

Thanks for the comments.

AP

Offer it without the pants or gun cover.

AP,

I like the color & the added material.

But, like you said, the pants seem to be the magnet for the "cling-ons" that you get while hunting. I went to just wearing the jacket, like you did. (I still have the pants wadded up in the garage, full of brush... )

Probably the best modification that could be made to appeal to all the hunters is to offer a Long Coat that comes with no pants at all, and length just below the knees. I hood attached to the long coat would be nice.

That's what I hunt with now, and will never go back to camo.

In my opinion, if you are going to bother with concealment, a ghillie suit is the only type of camo that works. It's also very handy the just wear your street clothes out to where you hunt, and put on a long coat ghillie and be hunting PDQ....then take it off for the ride home. No changing clothes to get in your camo.

I would probably buy 3-4 of those if they were avl., AP.... Too many times I find myself hunting with people that have marginal camo, or don't know HOW to conceal themselves when hunting.
The idea of camo is to break up the human form, and a ghillie is the only thing that does that effectively.

When wearing a ghillie, the ghillie is very forgiving of your movements as well. You can move around more in a ghillie without being busted.

Please consider the long coat with a hood. AS I said, I'd be a player for several of them.

Thanks

Barry

Heres' a better look at the material and underlining.



3 string colors



Underlining



Massive amount of ghillie string material.

We are working on a knee length design as well.

Our woodland design has 5 string colors (more info to come)

"We are working on a knee length design as well."

ditto, that's what I need. I don't need ghillie pants, just a longish jacket/hood.

I dont know about others, Would there be any use for a longer coat as already mentioned but perhaps with some type of apron in the front that could be dropped/lowered once on stand?

When making multiple stands in a day's time, you can leave it on, drive to the next stand, get out and quickly go hunt.
The advantage is that the long coat will offer concealment, but won't gather the twigs like the ghillie pants do.

Barry

AP,

It's good to see someone like yourself ask hunters what they like, what fits well and is useful in the field, and build one from the ground up, so to speak. I've never used a ghillie, but have been looking at them with more interest. Thanks for your continued efforts of providing hunters with quality products.

Leafy suits work well here in the east, and I'm sure a ghillie would as well. If you ever decide to consider doing leafy suits, the browns and tans work great here with fall leaves. Those colors are hard to find in the current leafy suits on the market without darker colors added in the mix. I keep hoping someone will offer those with a base of tan or lighter color, and shades of various browns here and there, no blacks or dark colors.

Keep up the good work.

David

How long is the current jacket?
Anyone have a pic of them wearing just the jacket?
I am 5'-8" and thinking about the XL and just wacking the sleeves a little shorter.
A long coat without the gun cover or pants for around $40 would be nicer.

We are working on a 5 color green suit as well. This is less ten 10 yards from the camera. Trying to get the ghillie string dull enough and of the correct color for multiple types of greenery (forest / farmland / woods) is difficult, but I bet you have problems finding the other hunter.

The ghillie jacket will be 12 inches longer then the standard jacket with 2 extra snaps in front and a hemmed slit in the back to provider for comfortable walking when the suit is all buttoned up. This will bring the length just below the knees depending on your height. This should eliminate most of the irritating burs and twigs that often get in the suit string material in the area below the knees and around the ankles and interfere with walking and also are a big pain the rear to remove. You can wear camo pants of your choosing and this will still provide excellent ghillie style concealment. I expect to be running our prototype long jackets through some field testing next week. I also expect a price reduction in the retail price.

Some have mentioned a hood versus a separate removable head cover. I prefer the separate head cover. Why do you prefer the hood style?

I keep those who are interested posted.


AP

I actually hate hoods, but something is needed.

A separate cover or possibly a detachable hood? Either way it's just something you have to deal with to hide better.

As I have nothing, those look really good and at that price has my attention.

I looked at that second pic and it took me a second to find you.

That looks really good!

Are you saying there are 2 hunters in the picture. Hard to tell but there may be one to the left of the one in front (our right looking at the picture). Sitting down in front of the tree.

BTW, the 5 color green would work better for me. I can use that for deer hunting as well as predators here.

Hood
I prefer to wear a baseball cap and just pull the hood up when calling, I think a seperate cover would require stoweing it when not in actual use.

Here's a picture of our long jacket AKA "the Predator Master Ghillie Jacket". Pictured is a Med / Large size jacket on my ghillie model Eric who is 5'11" tall. We have went back and forth on the lenght..

This design will eliminate the collection of sticks and twigs that are attracted to ankles of the ghillie pants. It still is long enough to give the full gillie suit camouflage affect.





Sitting behind or next to some low ground cover will mask any exposed legs if you are really concerned about it.


I'm thinking this is about right - Your Thoughts?

ps reb8600 (a few posts above) the 2nd hunter is at the base of the tree to the left

I've been watching this post, and I think you are on the right track with the long coat and color. I think the color will be great for the fence rows between fields around here. The length will be right also. I have a leafy suit and don't wear the pants anymore because of burs. And as 6mm06 said, there is too much dark and not enough light color. Please keep us updated on when these will be available.

I'm going to have to get one. I think it'll work well for me, both here & out west.

need 3x -5x sizes

I'd like to have one for bowhunting but I'm thinking all the strings will cause problems across the chest and bow arm. Would it hurt anything to get one and trim a bunch of the strings across the chest and bow arm real short so they wouldn't catch?

In my opinion, that's about perfect.

Yep, that's what my bow hunter friends tell me.



Nope, that's what they do. Then you're just left with the fabric underneath, which in this case looks like a decent camo pattern. I'd add that you'll likely trim off the face/hat too. Having another person looking at what's in the way at full draw will get you set up.

A bowhunter friend (incidently from Indiana) who uses a ghillie is what sold me on using one. He said his success went up when switching to a ghillie. I figured if it works for deer it couldn't hurt for coyotes.

This is second hand info so maybe one of the bowhunters can chime in? This guy kills nice deer every year in your state.

Thanks I've been reading about guys using them bowhunting and have been thinking about getting one for this season.

Is that Nistetter in the parking lot again??

Anyway AP, the problem that I have seen with some material is shedding. For example I have a ranco safari upper that I use all the time and it dosen't shed. I bought a buddy one for his birthday one year. (I thought it was the same type of material as mine.) This upper jacket shed like it had mange and really did a number to the inside of the truck. (Lots of vacuuming) So if I were to suggest anything it would be make sure that the material dosent shed. I would never purchase one like that again.

Here's one of the field test subjects from this weekend. Used the High Mobility Ghillie (extra long jacket without pants) in our Woods, Forest, and Farmland Camo. I was at about 7,000 ft in the pines. I did multiple stands and was very pleased with the suits performance when walking and humping hills. The young male coyote was suprised when the bush that was lip sqeaking at him also put a bullet in him at a range of 4 paces.



When using the extra long jacket your legs will be exposed somewhat. The coyote did'nt seem to mind. Next time I may be a little more color coordinated (as in green camo pants) for product photos. But, I don't think I own a matched set of camo.



AP

RanUtah, Good point, ours will shed some string, not enough to effect it's camouflage properties, but it will shed. It may not be the right product for your requirements.

Ok I want one in WSG camo when will they be available?

are these out yet?

I want a long jacket when are they coming out? I have the woodlands ghillie but I really like that DSG pattern.
Mike

I think I read somewhere thru the thread summer/late summer,
I am really hopeing for spring/late spring

They are in production. We expect both suit styles and colors to be in stock at AllPredatorCalls by around June 15th to 20th. As soon as I have a confirmed delivery date, I will post an update with special pricing.

I'll bet my kids would love it if you had them available in time for fathers day or at least an order form up on your site.
Oh wait thats me who would love it. But it would make their lives easier, always thinking of the kids!

I LIKE that!

yeah baby! I'll be buying one.

June 20th is fathers day.
Now if its atleast available for order by then I will be happy and at a special price to boot my kids should be happy,
Now I can let the kids know what they are getting me this year.

I was telling my wife about this, This morning--And she said maybe I get you one for Fathers Day- -Now you wouldn't want to upset my wife would you Lol..

I like the looks of the long coat. Definitly going on my Father's day wish list.

I like the idea of a separate head piece because it moves with you as you turn your head. Something that fits over the boonie is great.

On the other hand I like the idea of a hood for ease. Flip it up or off as needed. Overall I'd go with a separate piece and safety pin it to my boonie and use the neck strap.

I appreciate you asking for input from guys (not me) that have some experience. Also, your price point is very attractive.

Any chance of getting side-by-side pictures of the different color suits? On the floor or in the field would be fine.

Dang saw the post had been bumped and thought maybe they where ready for order.

UPDATE - A container of our suits (1,000 of each kind) are supposed to arrive in LA next Friday. I will have them added to the website late next week for order at a special price thru Fathers Day.

Heres some staged pictures from last weeks camping trip with Woods, Forrest, Farmland camo in both full suit APC001 and XLong Jacket style APC002



Sitting in the open on a log (did'nt use the rifle wrap)





I dont have a picture of the different camo's standing next to each other handy. But here are pictures of the the different camos at the same approx spot and lighting.



Woods, Forrest, Farmland camo. Extra long Jacket style APC002



DSG Camo - Desert, Sage, Grassland camo (full suit) Style APC001

I cant wait to order mine! i check here atleast 3 times a day hoping that somebody posts that the have em in stock lol

Will this thread be the place we will see the announcement, or will it be a new thread?

i order 1 off of e-bay awhile back. took to the field & was very excited, but when i put it on the [beeep] thing hung on everything. it snaged on my scope, snag on briars & tree limbs. i promised myseif not to wear it again. has anyone else had this problem? just something to consider.

CB - a lot of guys carry it in a bag or pack until they get to the stand. That eliminates snagging on every branch that goes by. As for the scope snagging, that's part of the deal. I am used to mine and tolerate the rare circumstances that type of thing occurs in exchange for the camo. YMMV.

I don't like how they used the same length strings making nice even lines in the ghillie suit.

t/c223encore.

sendit, i did pack mine into the stand. once there i called for awhile then decided to move. trying to move stands was a nightmare. now i just stick with my old 3-d leaf camo suit. thats just my opinion, whatever works for ya, get it. for those looking for try e-bay. i think i paid around $50. good luck

Sendit.223,

We will make a new post.

The special pricing will be $49.95 The transport ship rescheduled it's arrival for Monday June 14th.

We expect a few days delay in customs and transport to our warehouse.

They may not be here in time for Fathers Day.. We will extend the special pricing for the entire Month of June or possibly into July.

T/C223encore,

Those are pictures of a new suit out of the package. Once worn a time or two the the string materal will lay in a random appearance as depicted in any of our field photos

Visit our APCalls info page HERE

More info coming shortly.

Credit card in hand waiting to order.

WFF or DSG decisions decisions.

Thanks for the clarification AP.

t/c223encore.

Which patern/color is the only question now. I think the "sapper" suit will be a real winner. Way to go APC.

Shayne

Ordered one in DSG, They should be at APC on the 21st

How did you order one? I dont see them for sale yet. Am I missing them somewhere?

Where did you order it? I don't see it on APCs website yet?

Most likely called and placed his order instead of online.

I called APC's 800# and ordered one in DSG and 30 minutes later called back and added a WFF. It was just to hard to decide which color

You got me A.P.! I bought it, hook, line and sinker! I ordered 2 Sappers, 1 suit and 2 hand calls.

I ordered mine through the shopping cart on APCalls web-site.

i think that a great opportunity is being missed by not haveing larger sizes, looks to be a great product but wont find out until a 3x/4x is made. thankx

ORDERED!!

Father's Day Present!

Can't hardly wait to get it out in the field.

Me too. I ordered my sapper Tuesday with two hand calls. Now it's a waiting game.

Shayne

I got my sapper suit ordered.

I think he sapper suit is a great concept with nothing at ankle level to grab briars and trash. I ordered the DSG camo even though this is farm country, with most of my calling being done after the end of the year. Even earlier in the year most of my set ups are in grown up fence rows with lots of lighter colored foliage.

Shayne

Yeah I am excited about the Sapper being just above my knees shouldn't catch on much on the way out to stands either!

SHIPPING UPDATE-

Arrival of the Ghillie & Sapper Suits at APC is DELAYED approx 7 - 10 days.

I may have jumped the gun and posted them online at APCcalls a little to soon. We had a estimated arrival of June 22nd.

The shipment arrived in LA yesterday, June 17th. It is "scheduled" to go through a customs exam on Tuesday sometime. Once it clears customs, it has a couple days shipping time to us.

We have updated our website to show June 30th as the estimated arrival at APCalls.com

I apologize for any inconvenience.


AP

Justin - all this means is that those of us who ordered already off the APC website just have a little longer wait.

Correct?

Not a problem on the later date. Still have a few months until hunting season anyway.

No biggie, but thanks for the heads up. Our season opens July 1st, but it's to hot to hunt much anyway.

Shayne

Looks like they have been delayed another week. Due June30th

well, crap. between my house, mower, cars & kids I've been cleaned plumb out. I'll see about getting one later, just won't be on sale.

When is the sale over?

Just got an email saying a package has been shipped to me. The only thing I have on order is a Sapper suit.

UPDATE-

The sale will end July 1st.

The shipment arrived today (June 25th).



The packing crew took a vote and I got voted to be inside the container (about 120 degree's inside) handing down boxes.



The packing crew preping for shipment. All backorders should be be shipped by Monday.


Our KIDS Ghillie Suit Sample.

Thanks again,

AP

Thanks for the update AP. I feel for you, I used to load containers and boxcars in July and August.
It should be allmost that hot next week trying out that new sapper suit.

Shayne

UPS sent me my tracking number. Should be here the 30th

I appreciate all the folks at APC for hauling it all out in the heat. I've been in those containers enough to know I don't want to be in there during the heat of the day.

I hate you all, LOL

I wouldn`t want to be in that suit until at least mid October.

UPS sent me my tracking number should arrive on the 28th. Wool hooo !

I got a shorty WFF coming as of today.
Glad I waited a year, new style & a better price pushed me over...:)

I got mine tonite, looks like it will work great! I may cut out the eye area and around the mouth. Will probably be a couple months till I try it out. Thanks APC!!

Got mine today also,or should I say the wifes. It is sure a lot lighter in weight than the ranco safari one I have. Thanks APC

Got my tracking # yesterday, should be here Friday the 2nd. Can't wait, but guess I gotta.

Shayne

I just put my order in for a DSG Sapper. Look forward to trying it out at Pred-U, as we call in a ton of open grassland.

Tony

Ordered the Sapper in DSG now I am second guessing if I should of bought a Sapper in WFF.

Early review (form and fit only, pre-field):

I got mine in the mail today (DSG sapper). The coat is generously cut in both girth and arm length. It is long enough that I will cut back the length so it is more mid thigh than mid calf (personal preference). I will also cut back the arms and still have plenty of arm length (I'm 5' 8" and 170), otherwise the arms are WAY too long for me.

The under fabric is a nice light camo mesh. The snaps are quiet plastic, and there is elastic on both the elbows (though too big) and the wrists (though arms are too long as stated previously).

The color looks perfect for dry grass areas and should work for most terrain IMO. The ghillie string is not secured by a backing strip, rather it is directly sewed onto the fabric. This may cause a durability issue, i.e., it may shed more than others (such as the first ghillie suit I got from APC). It is also single stitched on the ghillie string -- again it makes me wonder about durability.

There is a generous amount of ghillie string, though there is not a large difference relative to the other APC ghillie. In fact, the spacing between string strips is wider on this one, so there are more bare spots. The shoulders in particular are quite bare, but that seems to be by design when worn with the head set. I will modify this as well due to inadequate coverage IMO.

For me the face mesh is not workable, but can be trimmed back. The hat is not rigid at all, but more of a beanie. I will experiment with a baseball cap underneath and that may do the trick. Otherwise sun will shine right your face (through the mesh if you leave that on).

Overall I'd give it a solid B grade. It is something I will easily customize into an A grade and have fabric left over to make gun ghillies out of.

Sendit223

sendit223
What size had you ordered?
I am about the same size 5'8" and 160lb and ordered a med/large do you think there is room for winter coat underneath?

3807patriot - I ordered the M/L too. Yes there is plenty of room for a winter coat IMO.

Thanks for the reply, Mine is suppose to be here Fri.

Just got mine in today. I ordered the wff and it looks good

Got mine today, took 3 days total from my order input.
Sapper WFF, lots of room for a jacket under it for winter.
I tested it in my 80* garage & it was warm, will see it in use this weekend for the real test.

sendit223 above has a good intro review on it & I am in agreement in my inital try on..

Got my Sapper DSG yesterday. Spent a few fitting sessions to give it a once over.

I'll echo Sendit's review. The shoulder area tend to have more bare spots, even with the headpiece on. I don't know if an extra layer would help or not over the sharp bend of the shoulder. APC's photos in the original post are accurate and they show the bare spots on the shoulder. They don't distract from the effectiveness of the suit.

I'd also like a little more length, or layer of jute, on the back of the headpiece, more like the cut of the front. It seems like the current design covers the back of the neck just enough. The headpiece seems to be adequate enough but I think it would be better to have a layer of jute right under the mesh eye slot. May have been designed that way to make breathing easier.

In the big scheme of things all very minor in my opinion and shouldn't have any affect on performance in the field. It really is more asthetics and feel.

I do like the length of the sleeves and the extra jute at the cuffs. It does a great job of hiding your hands while giving a great range of motion.

The knee-length (on my 6-2 frame) is perfect.

Overall I am very pleased with the suit and looking forward to getting it out in the field.

My Sapper DSG just got here today. Fast service as usual from APC.

I have absolutely nothing to complain about this jacket and hat combo. I've used Shaggies for years and this jacket is as good or better than everything I've used. Once one comes through the jute with their fingers, the suit really balances out well.

Only modifications that I will be making is cutting the facenet out of the facemask, so that I can see and blow a call. A little trimming of the jute from my eyes and face, typical of any ghillie mod.

Very well pleased with this product. You did very well AP.

Tony

Received mine today, Crappy pic but should get the idea.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1627/dsgsapper.jpg

Thats what I was going on oh well better luck next time!!

I got my sapper in DSG yesterday and have only tried it on in the house. So far, I have liked most everything about it, did remove the mesh in the face area so I can wear a ball cap to keep the sun out of my eyes. Also so not to fog up my glasses. I'm 6' and 280lbs so I ordred the XL/2XL and have plenty of room in it. The knee length is perfect. If I had knee high snake chaps, I could go hunting in shorts.

OK, now for the part I don't understand; I may be really, reeaaly, reeeaaaly slow, but I can't figure out the gun wrap for the life of me. If anybody can explain how to use it, I would appreciate the help. Just use small words and type slow. Thanks

The DSG color seems right for the edges of the rice and bean fields.

Shayne

I would like to put the gun wrap on my AR but not sure if it would work either. If someone has one on their AR we need instructions and pics.

lol!

you....wrap.....your....rifle....in....the.....gun....wrap...

It's a pain on an AR, but you can loop the rope end to the barrel and start wrapping back toward the action. Then you can use the elastic loop to secure that end on the scope. Again, it's a pain to use because the string gets hung up on the action and everything else. I no longer use mine.

I'm experimenting with some other ideas like a ghillie sock for the forend/barrel and a drape for the action. The drape covers the optics and the action. It is loose on the ejection side. In this photo it has slipped back to expose the eotech sight. Normally it covers the eotech and all you can see is the 3x (unless I position the jute at the stand to cover it up).

The drape uses velcro to secure to the eotech. The sock isn't in the picture because I was tired of the long jute and it was a windy day.

Oh sendit, you funny man, funny man, HA HA.
Yeah, the string getting in the action, even on my bolt action, seemed a real possibility to me. No matter how we wrapped it, the strings were in the way of the action and scope. I was thinking of some type of sock also, maybe with elastic to hold it in place.

Shayne

Me so funny. You laughing long time.

I made a camo/ghillie sock and yes elastic on one end holds it quite well. Since I've got Hogue forends on my ARs just having elastic on the end near the action holds it on there firmly. If I wasn't so lazy I'd go take a picture. But you know I have get back to my comedy routine....no time no time...

Happy 4th Shayne.

Sendit223

If that gun cover isn't working, take a look at the camo netting thread here:
camo netting tutorial

t/c223encore has a good idea there. I bought a ground blind made out of that stuff and it's easy to build a sleeve with zip-ties that will break up your rifle outline. I made a cover for my caller in about 10 minutes.


Just an idea.

I used some other die-cut camo to make a cover for my rifle. I may take the ghillie material off the gun wrap and add to it for more 3-D effect.
Sendit, I like the eotech ghillie. I may try something like that for my scope.
Hope everybody had a great 4th.

Shayne

Well I wore my sapper out at a ranch I shoot p-dogs at. I shoot prone 100% and walk a 2 mile loop.
I didnt need my gun, it worked so well I just used a fork to jab the varmints in the neck as I could get that close and removed 256 of them that way.
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Well ok now..the real test was that I could get a lot closer to them as they could not figure me out as I was crawling through the grass to line all my shooting up.
256 dead was not bad considering it was overcast all day (7am-12:30pm) and misted a few times.
I am happy with it.
I did re-sew all the yarn with my machine so its all double stitched now and a ton less strings being pulled off with the single stitched way it comes.
I also cut the face mesh out so I can use my hand calls and I can wear my camo cap with the bill that blocks sunlight into my eyes.

Congrats man, sounds like you had fun.
Whatcha shootin? Red Ryder?

Shayne

that right there is funny



46.5 an hour is not bad...I'll give you that. Ok, I'd love to have a day like that just once. Or an hour even.

Whew! 256 in pd's in 5.5 hours is some hot n heavy shootin.

I'd like to get into a town like that. Wowzers.

Just a savage FP10 in .223. Yea its been good shooting the last 4 months on the ranches. Lay in one spot for 30min-1.5hrs popping them then moving to another knoll.
Tons of pups so thats the biggest reason I am having good counts, doubles & triples on mounds when they all head for it then stop in a nice mass of fur.

Any updates with mods performed?
I dont want to start moding mine without a plan in mind.
The beanie head cover is tight enough fit its hard to get on wearing glasses so I dont know if I will be able to fit a baseball cap underneath or not.
From the neck opening to the first row of string material is about 3 inches so pretty much need the head cover to fill the gap.
The thread material that fell out after combing the suite out with my fingers pretty much filled the original box so I have been thinking of useing that material to build a ghillie boonie hat.

I removed the mesh you are supposed to look through so I can wear a cap and mainly to keep my glasses from fogging up.

Shayne

I looked through my crap and found a link to where you can buy poly ghillie string if you want to build, add or modify a ghillie. I don't know how to copy, so I'll type it out.
www.ghilliesuitplus.com/ghillie-suit-jute.html
They have several colors. I may get some for repairs or mods.

Shayne

I just opened the mesh area as you said and it worked pretty good with a cap underneath and the cap bill kept the top strings from hanging in my face so much so I dont think I will need to trim them, I may end up adding some string in the area under my nose as this now looks kinda bare.

I sewed (used the fabric rivit gun) a piece of large hole mesh I had to the brim of the hat. It is long enough to hang 4 to 6 inches below my chin and totally covers my face, but is far enough away from my face to not bother me.

Shayne

I wear glasses & a cap, fits over the cap perfectly after I cut the face mesh out.
I also ran the suit through my sewing machine and went over all the single stitching & they are all doubled stitched now. My strings dont pull out nearly as easy now without a super hard yank/pull.

I was wondering how hard it would be to double sew my suit. I guess I'll have to do it now, it looks to good to let it go bald.

Shayne

Got my suit and tried it on one stand last sat. Suit sheds worse than my Lab in the spring. I knew it would shed some, but WOW! Clumps of thread falling out every time I put it on.

Anyone else having this problem?

ibschmidty

Yup ^^^^^, I re-sewed everything, makes a big difference, the arms were hard as heck to do redo though.

Hand sew, or machine. can you describe to me how you did it? What thread you used etc...

I am just kinda let down that I spent 85 bucks to get it to my door and now have to do some work on it to make it worth having.

Machine with regular thread. I did a tight stitch(25 stitches per inch) and small zig-zag. My wife said zig-zag was the strongest stitch. I've got the body done and will do the arms today. It's slow and a pain in the butttt, but worth it in the long run.
For hand sewing my hunting stuff I use 80lb test braided super line fishing line. The wife was scared it might be too big and tear up the old singer.
I bought my ghillie while it was on sale, but agree the sewing of the string was very loose and shody. Looks like about 5 stitches per inch and very very loose.
Crap, I've still got the hood to do too!
It's a shame too, because they look good, fit good, and blend in very well.

Shayne
PS Use a thread color you can see. If you make a boo boo and need to fix it, thread that blends in sucks. I did mine with the mesh down and the strings up. Take your time keeping the strings worked under the foot on the machine.
I've got the sapper suit so I have no pants to do.

I too agree that the stitching could be a whole lot better. Without upgrades/repairs this thing sheds a lot. Even if the same stitches/inch were used but double stitched it would have been a lot better. This suit sheds at least twice as easily as the other ghillie I bought from APC.

I repaired mine the same way, i.e., strings up and mesh down. Same comment about the strings catching. I have not done the arms because that's a pain.

It is best to do this work right when it comes out of the box. Otherwise I would guess it would be far more difficult.

The thread I am using is heavy duty, but so is my fabric welder. It will go through a few layers of cordura nylon (and often does when I'm customizing other stuff).

The head sock is tight fitting, but cutting out the mesh and wearing a baseball cap works well. However, then I can't wear my electronic earmuffs, so that doesn't work well. If you weren't going to wear muffs I'd say I like the design very well -- except in hot weather because there's no way for air to move past your head.

I haven't had mine out yet because it seems hotter than my old one. Come fall it will see the fields.

With the skinney arm on the machine the arms were amazingly easy. I went to the biggest zig-zag stitch and really like it better. WOW, was the very top of the head cover hard to sew, but going SLOOOW, I got it.
I think I'll go over the body of the suit a second time with the big zig-zag. It's way too hot to use it right now anyway.

Shayne

I did mine with the mesh side up after trying to do it string side up and getting them all hung up in the foot of the thread welding machine.
After turning it inside out it went a lot faster as nothing to catch in the foot, just have to make sure the strings are not all bunched up. I just fed it with one hand under it to keep the srings flat & straigh when running the thread welder and followed right under the factory thread line.
I used standard green thread and a small zigzag after trying the straight weld.
It would of been nicer if my thread welder had a deeper throat to accept the long arms...that was the hardest for me.