#1332326 - 07/23/09 12:05 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
[Re: swampwalker]
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adding on to what has already been said.I think the term, "success breeds success" is very fitting for eastern coyotes. I think alot of hunters give up after a few years and lots of failed attempts .thinking the yotes are too smart in their particular area to be called. The only ones that will make it to the "big leagues" are the ones that can make it through that innitiation phase. some guys get a lucky kill right off the bat to keep them in the game . but for the most part there's a serious learning curve.It took me six year of relatively hard hunting to evan get a shot off.sounds crazy but makes perfect sense knowing what I know now. to new hunters my advice is to keep mixing things up untill you get success.and than analyze the [beeep] out of what happened than try your best to duplicate that set up on similar terrain .It worked for a reason.with enough time in you'll build a portfollio of set-ups for different situations .also throw out all books that have a coyote with its mouth open running across an open field..Not Joking This is the best post on the topic thus far... 
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#1332342 - 07/23/09 12:16 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
[Re: 4949shooter]
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49,Im going to go a step further friend and say that this is the best thread that calling in the East has seen in a long time!!!If you are a new predator hunter or experianced,everybody can get something from this thread!Alot of good reading here guys...I want to read more so carry on!!!!
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#1332347 - 07/23/09 12:22 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
[Re: Chad Walk]
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You're right, Chad. It's very informative.
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#1332352 - 07/23/09 12:28 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
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Here ya go MCWALK. Pic is facing due South. A stout South wind. Two coyotes, the male is bedded behind a bush in the milkweed, right above the large hay bale. It's mate to the right of the male a little bit. Female is sitting looking my way. Their both around 600yrds out. This timber strip is roughly 100' wide x 1/4 mile long. It's their core/den area. Male is also looking down-wind, BTW. You just can't see his face as well. If a hunter would've cleared the last high hill to call this strip. This pr of coyotes would've pegged him early on....game over. http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc78/moreammo/coyotes12708013.jpg?t=1248322853
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#1332355 - 07/23/09 12:33 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
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Pr of coyotes around 700yrds out. Male is laying facing South[wind at his backside]. Female abit restless, milling around. Pic is facing due South. Wind, stout from the South. This is their core/den area....a sparse timber patch. Around 1 1/2 acres in size. http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc78/moreammo/Jan16093reds029.jpg?t=1248323388Zoomed up abit more, a few minutes later. Female now sitting off to the males right. They both stared at me for quite awhile. I moved on. BTW, the hill side they were on. There was a creek down below them. Another 100 ft or so. A coyote on the hunt can be most anywhere. Bedded coyotes on the other hand. Most often are in a "comfort" area[with a view]. Generally more than 1/4 mile from the roadway. http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc78/moreammo/Jan16093reds026-1.jpg?t=1248323647
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#1332358 - 07/23/09 12:37 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
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You got that right!!!Thats a great pic Kirby!!!Did you ever get a chance at those coyotes?
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#1332363 - 07/23/09 12:43 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
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I could've got to the 1st picked corn hilltop in the fore ground as[the snow was pretty quiet] Which was around 280-300yrds give or take from them. Gave them both a free pass for the view.
I plan to kill much more this yr. I've been cutting them alot of slack the last few yrs.
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#1332366 - 07/23/09 12:47 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
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can't wait till Oct 1st!!Kirby
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#1332367 - 07/23/09 12:53 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
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Great pics kirby.
Keep 'em coming....
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#1332368 - 07/23/09 12:53 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
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Yup Fall good...Summer bad.
BTW, a hunter if he walks towards his calling area from the down-wind area. Pay close attention to any noise you might make. Walk like a cat, slowly & softly.
As the coyotes to your up-wind, even in a stout wind. Can still hear you very well.
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#1332439 - 07/23/09 08:31 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
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More observations; A rough estimate of my hunt terrain is. >90% open rolling cropland, the other small percentage is timber patchs, grassy creeks, a few hay fields & grassy sloughs/waterways/draws...whatever you wish to call them.
Around 90% of the days, I hunt. Which BTW is generally 4 or more days a wk. The coyotes are either in this cover. Or working their way back to this cover, early am. From the previous nights hunt or movement.
If a caller wish's to call these coyotes. You have to get yourself set-up adjacent to this cover. As the coyotes are extremely reluctant to cross the open areas to your call noise.
If I recall, I've only called out 14 coyotes. Out of around 300 stands give or take. Majority of these coyotes were in or traveling from cover to cover across some small open areas.
Yeah, I've called a few out of those 14. That came out of & away from cover. But none ever came very close to where I was, except one. That one came relatively close. As I was set-up in a large span of cover[sparse timber/CRP & timbered/brushy creek bottom] that day. That day, I was perched up high on a knee high hillside of CRP grass. Above the creek bottom. But, below the horizen.
Fortunately for me, in my hunt area. I have so much openess of the terrain. Which allows me most often. To see them from afar[specifically in Winter snow cover]. Even sometimes when they are in the timber patchs/strips, grassy creeks, ect. I can still pick them out. I simply zoom-in & scan the down-wind[wind break] areas, of that cover.
When they are bedded in this "cover". They are in the lower/down-wind portion of this cover. Why? I believe it offers them the most wind break.
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#1332468 - 07/23/09 09:28 AM
Re: Different results - heres why
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My hunt area has large steep rolling crop hills. Also small/low rolling hills. Pic is facing almost due West/slightly SouWest maybe 5-10 degrees. Coyote is near the 1/2 mile fenceline of a 1-square mile land mass/section. This long range coyote pic also dipicts. How they lay when bedded. Doesn't matter if the terrain is steep with cover. Steep with no cover. Or flattish & open. They lay the same...samo...samo. BTW, coyote is hunkered down in the snow, between the picked corn rows[Wind is bearing down on his right shoulder & backside]. When they bed on snow. They'll make a few tight spins tamping down the loose snow, then bed down. Facing a down winderly direction. One main difference between my hunt area vs other's. Is amount of cover. Most canine predators I see, are the ones that bed out in the open. http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc78/moreammo/Jan25094-Reds2-coyotes014.jpg?t=1248355110Zoomed up. http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc78/moreammo/Jan25094-Reds2-coyotes016.jpg?t=1248355817
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#1332597 - 07/23/09 01:22 PM
Re: Different results - heres why
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It's amazing how they bed down out in the open like that.
You never see that in my neck of the woods.
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#1332604 - 07/23/09 01:35 PM
Re: Different results - heres why
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4949shooter, I'm sure if your area lacked vegetation. You would see the same. I've seen/watched probably close to 2000 coyotes & Red Fox over my hunting days. Can't recall a time, when I've seen them do any different.
I'm so accustomed to seeing them bed & where to look & why. It's pretty much second nature in spotting them. I still make a few mistakes on long range I.D'ing But they are few. As once in awhile vegetation, small boulders, tree stumps ect. Look just like a coyote or Red Fox.
My whole purpose in responding to this thread. Is to educate hunters that hunt heavy cover. The way of the coyote & Red Fox. When they are bedded, where & why.
If you understand how they use the wind, terrain & where their comfort area is. When they are bedded. Your chances of not getting busted on the walk in to call, no doubt will decrease. Et offer a better hunt.
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#1332615 - 07/23/09 01:51 PM
Re: Different results - heres why
[Re: 4949shooter]
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Sleddog, when you said "lazy" you nailed me. I have always hunted by walking to my stands. Then my friends got atvs, I was odd man out. Got a machine and rode back in, started seeing less game within the same time frame as when walking in. Sure I parked the atv 200 yards, then 100 yds, then close enough to see. I got lazy!! Sold the atv and now I'll be back to hunting the way I use to. This is the way for me, not saying this is the way for anyone else. I'm now 62 and need the exercise. The places I hunt are thick and I'm not carring a climbing stand for stands that take all I have to get up hill, I can sit still! When you guys talk about seeing coyotes bedded down or coming in from hundreds of yards away, that is cool. My area here in Pa. they are in your face and gone so fast I sometimes beleive it is just illusions.
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