NM Leon
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Slow down guys.
The first link is by leftists who are so far gone they think Obama is a right winger. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
The second link is from a committed left-winger writing revisionist history in 2004. Much of it is simply factually incorrect and easily dis-proven. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
The third link is quoting a candidate for the Democratic primary, speculating about the political effect of Hispanic immigration. He later retracted the statements under pressure from his (Democrat) opponent. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
There were many reasons for the civil war, economic and philosophical as well as political, but slavery was NOT one of them.
The CSA was trying to gain recognition (and support) from Europeans (England and France), who wanted to help them but could not politically because of their "peculiar institution", slavery (slavery had been abolished in Europe for some time).
There were persistent rumors that J. Davis was going to try to pass legislation outlawing slavery over time (ala the way Brazil accomplished it). That would probably have provided enough political cover for the Europeans (the English especially) to openly support the CSA, which would almost certainly have meant the defeat of the North.
Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation knowing that the arrogance of the North making laws pertaining to the (as yet unbeaten) South would p.o. southerners to the point that J. Davis would have no chance of passing abolishment laws, even spread over decades and compensating slave owners.
By issuing the Proclamation, Lincoln basically pre-empted the Europeans from supporting the South (and saved the North's butts).
Note the wording of the Proclamation: "all persons held as slaves" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free." It did NOT apply to the North (or to portions of the South under Northern control).
Slavery was in fact legal in the north (though most individual states had already abolished it) until Dec 6, 1865 when the constitutional amendment was passed, 7 months after the war ended. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I don't see any possibility of a civil war happening.....but a revolution???? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
The first link is by leftists who are so far gone they think Obama is a right winger. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
The second link is from a committed left-winger writing revisionist history in 2004. Much of it is simply factually incorrect and easily dis-proven. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
The third link is quoting a candidate for the Democratic primary, speculating about the political effect of Hispanic immigration. He later retracted the statements under pressure from his (Democrat) opponent. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
There were many reasons for the civil war, economic and philosophical as well as political, but slavery was NOT one of them.
The CSA was trying to gain recognition (and support) from Europeans (England and France), who wanted to help them but could not politically because of their "peculiar institution", slavery (slavery had been abolished in Europe for some time).
There were persistent rumors that J. Davis was going to try to pass legislation outlawing slavery over time (ala the way Brazil accomplished it). That would probably have provided enough political cover for the Europeans (the English especially) to openly support the CSA, which would almost certainly have meant the defeat of the North.
Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation knowing that the arrogance of the North making laws pertaining to the (as yet unbeaten) South would p.o. southerners to the point that J. Davis would have no chance of passing abolishment laws, even spread over decades and compensating slave owners.
By issuing the Proclamation, Lincoln basically pre-empted the Europeans from supporting the South (and saved the North's butts).
Note the wording of the Proclamation: "all persons held as slaves" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free." It did NOT apply to the North (or to portions of the South under Northern control).
Slavery was in fact legal in the north (though most individual states had already abolished it) until Dec 6, 1865 when the constitutional amendment was passed, 7 months after the war ended. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I don't see any possibility of a civil war happening.....but a revolution???? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
