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#1231540 - 02/25/09 10:56 PM ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site
Jeff Mock Offline
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Do yourself a favor and click the link.

The only way to become educated as to what the ANTI'S are doing and thinking, is to check them out!

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#1231541 - 02/25/09 11:36 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
IDBob Offline
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Registered: 01/07/07
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Loc: Peck Idaho
They don't mention anything about the depredation predators do on both domestic stock and deer and elk do they. Don't see them nursing orphaned deer and elk back to health and releasing them to the wild.

The wolves released here in Idaho have now reduced some of our elk herds to the point where there are not enough to reproduce viable herds.
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#1231542 - 02/26/09 08:33 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: IDBob]
PrairieMuffin Offline
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Registered: 01/08/09
Posts: 948
Loc:
Working with international and local authorities to control birds of prey, deer, coyotes, and foxes without killing them. Over time finding suitable release sites for rehabilitated animals became increasingly difficult and public management policies were failing to protect predators and their habitat. The rampant use of predator control methods such as leg hold traps, poisons, snares, aerial gunning, bounties, and designated hunting seasons was profoundly impacting existing populations and undermining the second chance for rehabilitated animals. In 1995 the organization closed the rehabilitation center.


LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS..they are complaining because the animals are over populated and have no place to put them?


Guess they need to leave it to the professionals...

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#1231543 - 04/20/09 01:45 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: IDBob]
kodiak61 Offline
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Registered: 07/22/07
Posts: 777
Loc: Goldendale, Washington
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They don't mention anything about the depredation predators do on both domestic stock and deer and elk do they. Don't see them nursing orphaned deer and elk back to health and releasing them to the wild.

The wolves released here in Idaho have now reduced some of our elk herds to the point where there are not enough to reproduce viable herds.




Actually they do, its a pdf link on that coyote page.

http://www.predatordefense.org/docs/coyotes_letter_Dr_Crabtree_11-04-97.pdf


Seems Dr Crabtree has studies a coyote or two. What they mention that it is our fault because with the death of so many coyotes they are forced to try new food groups. Thus leading to them attaching large game and livestock animals which is something that they wouldn't normally do I guess.

Blah blah blah. Decent read though had some good information that I will use to up my game while hunting them.
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#1231544 - 04/20/09 03:52 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: kodiak61]
Javafour Offline
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Registered: 02/13/05
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...Blah blah blah. Decent read though had some good information that I will use to up my game while hunting them.




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#1231545 - 04/20/09 06:47 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Javafour]
lorddal Offline
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Registered: 01/08/08
Posts: 48
Loc: marlinton WV
I love this one

Quote:Do coyotes kill for fun?

No. Coyotes only kill enough to feel themselves and their pups, usually killing only one animal for their needs. Domestic dogs, however will often kill many animals at once, such as chickens and sheep; the deaths are often blamed on coyotes.

yeah right what a load my brother and I watched a yote kill several sheep at once only reason he lived that day was we weren't carrying because it was Sunday and then you couldn't hunt on Sundays did that yote eat all the sheep no just killed and left

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#1231546 - 04/22/09 02:41 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: lorddal]
blueline1911 Offline
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Registered: 08/30/08
Posts: 129
Loc: Vermont
Install a 6 foot fence with overhang? Install outdoor lighting?

Seems like an awful lot of trouble. Maybe wolves should be introduced across the entire range of coyote inhabited area, even the non-native 1/3 of the continent. Then the coyote population will be in check, by gosh.

But then again, since they only kill what they NEED, and they are stunning, intelligent, playful, affectionate and devoted care givers, I'll trade in my Akita for a few pet coyotes.

Is there really anything that these people can't justify?


Edited by blueline1911 (04/22/09 02:42 AM)

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#1231547 - 05/07/09 06:40 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: blueline1911]
idahovarmintcaller Offline
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Registered: 11/26/08
Posts: 278
Loc: South West Idaho
Yeah, their miserable existance.

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#1334066 - 07/25/09 02:15 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: idahovarmintcaller]
TribalJake Offline
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Registered: 08/28/08
Posts: 53
Loc: Owings Mills, MD/Kirkland, WA
i actually sent them an email talking about habitat capacity and what i do (hunt predators)

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#1411245 - 11/09/09 06:41 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: TribalJake]
agentM192 Offline
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Registered: 08/24/09
Posts: 74
Loc: Central Texas, Westchester NY
Gotta love how they call coyotes affectionate. Then why are there known reports of them stalking and even attacking humans?

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#1423136 - 11/24/09 10:20 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: TribalJake]
WebbyAr15 Offline
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Registered: 11/19/09
Posts: 91
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: TribalJake
i actually sent them an email talking about habitat capacity and what i do (hunt predators)



Did you get a reply back? I was going to do the same thing when I got home.

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#1455799 - 12/24/09 02:40 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: WebbyAr15]
alhefner Offline
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Registered: 12/29/07
Posts: 489
Loc: Reno, Nevada
These guys seem to have confused the coyote with the wolf!!!

Quote:
Coyotes are pack animals with a social structure similar to wolves. Packs consist of a dominant male and female (alpha pair), and extended family members (betas and omegas). Typically, only the alpha pair breeds, and produces one litter a year.


Unless I am very mistaken, the breeding of coyotes is more inline with domestic dog...as much and as often with any and all opportunities.

As for family groups, those only last about a year before the yearlings are sent on their way.

Once again, a group of essentially ignorant, emotional, unteachable folks trying to lead others into the same mindset.
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#1455847 - 12/24/09 03:23 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: alhefner]
deerhunterjj Offline
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Registered: 08/09/08
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Loc: Eldorado,kansas
I have seen things smarter floating in the john. thes guys make me sick. I wish they would open a season for morons. If they did man we better get lots of ammo.
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#1455858 - 12/24/09 03:36 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: blueline1911]
Outlawkyote Offline
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Registered: 12/08/09
Posts: 361
Loc: hiding in sagebrush
Originally Posted By: blueline1911
Install a 6 foot fence with overhang? Install outdoor lighting?



Is there really anything that these people can't justify?


I wonder if they would help me purchase a fence like this around my ranch. Its 80 sections total. Of course, how do I get the existing coyotes off my land after the fence is up?
These people think coyotes are coming from some invisable place and going back when they are done eating. These coyotes they are talking about live here 24/7, how do I fence them out?

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#1672264 - 09/12/10 06:57 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Outlawkyote]
foxsmasher Offline
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Registered: 02/02/10
Posts: 202
Loc: Utah
MORONS! These people are absolute idiots. The writings on their websites show that with 100% positivity!
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#1686059 - 10/03/10 03:50 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: foxsmasher]
Tim7581 Offline
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Registered: 12/13/09
Posts: 1277
Loc: Indiana
These people make me sick! Thats all I am going to say about this one.

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#2066467 - 12/08/11 04:47 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Tim7581]
TripleDeuce660 Offline
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Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 2918
Loc: Las Vegas Nevada
They say coyote will balance their population out due to food availability. Yeah sure, that would be great if there was not food left out at every curb on trash day. They have an endless abundance of food around the urban interface resulting in unatural numbers, duh.

I love the part where it said they argued against DFG about the fact that MTN. Lions need to be managed to prevent loss of human life, livestock, and game animals. Who are you going to believe? Some loaded day dreaming hippies or a panel of bioligist who actualy perform studies and have data? They should come on down to CA and start hiking alone. My dog was attacked by a bold mountaini lion 25 yards from me and just 100 yards from a housing track. Then it blocked the trail, waiting in a tree to pounce on my back. Great idea to ban cat hunting isn't it?

I hope that one of their children is snatched from their yard and eaten. When they go to Montana to clear their head from the loss of their child I hope a Grizzley mangles them just enough so they lie in agony and go bankrupt from medical bills.


where do I sign up for the arial gunner position? Heck, even the CA DFG does arial gunning, even in remote areas. The most liberal state still sees the value of predator control. Our dog season is also all year unlimited take. Now if we could just get the cat population under control that is far beyond pre-european levels....


Edited by TripleDeuce660 (12/08/11 04:49 AM)
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#2337370 - 11/22/12 12:33 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
Three 44s Offline
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Registered: 02/03/05
Posts: 2717
Loc: Washington St.
The reason you can't make sense out of liberal speak is because liberals don't operate on common sense, they run on emotion!

"Save the wolves, save the cougars, save the coyotes .... ooooohhhhh ......... poor predators" ......... It's an emotional argument.

Three 44s

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#2338227 - 11/23/12 06:36 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
elks Offline
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Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 3243
Loc: Central WY
So here is how I look at it. I am not thinning out the coyotes. I am promoting the growth the of the species, since all the idiots believe that by thinning number we only encourage more reproduction.

So under their logic, I am doing more for the coyote populations by killing everyone I see than they are doing.

I always love when I throw that argument in the face of an anti. They always stumble when I claim I am helping the population.
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#2369255 - 12/24/12 09:51 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: elks]
Randallcblitz Offline
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Registered: 01/05/10
Posts: 33
Loc: nc
[[/color]So here is how I look at it. I am not thinning out the coyotes. I am promoting the growth the of the species, since all the idiots believe that by thinning number we only encourage more reproduction.

So under their logic, I am doing more for the coyote populations by killing everyone I see than they are doing.

I always love when I throw that argument in the face of an anti. They always stumble when I claim I am helping the population.
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Well said. I love this. They need to fund us since were helping them. Lets post on their site for donations.


Edited by Randallcblitz (12/24/12 09:54 AM)

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#2378070 - 12/31/12 12:12 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
KATTRAKER Offline
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Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 322
Loc: Kansas
I started reading one of those web sites and my blood pressure rose.

Where are these SOB's when coyotes take barn cats from my yard?
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#2400918 - 01/17/13 02:53 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: elks]
Dust Offline
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Registered: 12/06/08
Posts: 1121
Loc: Frankfort, KY
Originally Posted By: elks
So here is how I look at it. I am not thinning out the coyotes. I am promoting the growth the of the species, since all the idiots believe that by thinning number we only encourage more reproduction.


I think what you are doing is sexist. Because the animals have to reproduce to keep the population up, you are putting undue stress on the female coyotes by forcing them to have more babies. You sick hunter you. thumbup1

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#2401275 - 01/17/13 01:10 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Randallcblitz]
desert dave Offline
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Registered: 02/02/11
Posts: 626
Loc: California
We need a good hacker to go and destroy that site!,

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#2439898 - 02/19/13 03:17 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: TribalJake]
Heretic Offline
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Registered: 01/04/09
Posts: 2419
Loc: Las Vegas
Originally Posted By: TribalJake
i actually sent them an email talking about habitat capacity and what i do (hunt predators)


Did you use small words so they could understand?
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#2441912 - 02/21/13 10:06 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
rockinbbar Offline
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Posts: 10218
Loc: NM
It's all about the money...

Any page you go there has a "Donate Now" link on it.

They attack the western states more because of the percentage of public land. They feel like that gives them entitlements... Even though the vast maojority of them do not work, pay taxes, or own their own property.

They know they are liars as well, but as long as they tug the heartstrings of some housewife that doesn't know any better and get them to donate $20 to them, it is worth it to them. They don't care about anything else.

Follow the money.
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#2469175 - 03/23/13 10:17 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
swpa87 Offline
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Registered: 09/25/12
Posts: 36
Loc: ingomar, pa
Who cares what these people think about killing coyotes, we dont owe them anything. They can whine all they want but they are wasting their time. Nobody but them care what they think.

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#2535681 - 08/24/13 12:38 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: swpa87]
DennyB Offline
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Registered: 04/15/07
Posts: 12
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: swpa87
Who cares what these people think about killing coyotes, we dont owe them anything. They can whine all they want but they are wasting their time. Nobody but them care what they think.


Many hunters here in Michigan had the same thoughts when PETA and other anti-hunting groups fought to have dove hunting put on the ballot for everyone to vote on. The result was an over whelming majority voted against dove hunting and its now illegal in Michigan. It wasn't just the antis' that stopped the dove hunting but those on the fence who fell for their spiel and they made the difference. Don't kid yourself that no one but the antis care about what they say. If you make it emotional enough, people will fall for anything.
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#2633720 - 02/09/14 09:10 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: agentM192]
Tick Offline
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Registered: 01/01/14
Posts: 37
Loc: Upper Michigan
Yes, playful little things aren't they. Wouldn't worry at all about the kids playing with them either. NOT!

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#2633797 - 02/09/14 10:28 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
Orneryolfart357 Offline
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Posts: 9053
Loc: Nevada
Old Video from 09.. and though I don't like the anti's It aint gonna get us anywhere.
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#2672801 - 04/15/14 01:16 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
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Posts: 7170
Loc: Okie
"Made an emergency request to the Office of Homeland Security to ban Compound 1080 citing its potential use as a chemical weapon. The request received extensive press coverage."

These people a desperate... Homeland security?

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#2758498 - 12/15/14 12:07 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
Saskcoyote78 Offline
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Registered: 09/03/14
Posts: 465
Loc: Saskatchewan, Canada
If we do our part and take family and friends on coyote hunts and speak with ranchers about the coyote problems they have we will continue to take ground. There is a huge surge in the popularity of calling coyotes...we have momentum and need to keep up the good work.
People are starting to realize how crazy most animal right groups are and are exposing their hypocrisy. Peta kills more stray cats and dogs then most predator hunters will in their lifetime yet they go around and condemn the killing of animals. This was exposed in the media a while back.
I wouldn't even bother reading or looking at the vomit they spew..Bottom line is they want to strip every hunter of his right to hunt and eat meat..they are all the same. They even go as far as to say we shouldnt trap mice...its cruel. Take friends and family out..do your part to be ethical and good stewards of the land and we will make ground.

Cheers!!

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#2842383 - 06/30/15 04:21 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
mohawkwolf Offline
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Registered: 06/27/15
Posts: 14
Loc: La Jolla, SD
Maybe we should listen to their ideas about sterilization and relocation and give it a try on them?
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#2842387 - 06/30/15 04:28 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: mohawkwolf]
old cat Offline
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Registered: 03/16/14
Posts: 1253
Loc: wv
I like that

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#2864085 - 09/23/15 12:30 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
Coyotehunter_ Offline
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Registered: 06/04/08
Posts: 735
Loc: Southern IN
PETA People eating tasty animals. I had to put up with the PETA types for the last 50 years. Hunting of game animals has taken the place of the wolf and bear and lion and is beneficial in the population control of game.

There is more to hunting than just killing some thing IMHO. Having a reason to get out into the woods and seeing nature is part of the equation. Killing a rabbit, squirrel, duck, goose, or coyote is just icing on the cake. Seeing the sunrise is PRICELESS.
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#2891073 - 12/03/15 08:29 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
Remingtonman Offline
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Registered: 02/12/09
Posts: 745
Loc: NH
Originally Posted By: Jeff Mock
Do yourself a favor and click the link.

[color:"red"] The only way to become educated as to what the ANTI'S are doing and thinking, is to check them out! [/color]

Predator Defense HOME Page


Coyote Propaganda and Mis-Information


Predator Defense MISSION Statement



WOW! IT makes me sick to see stuff like this!!
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#2891076 - 12/03/15 08:31 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: IDBob]
Remingtonman Offline
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Registered: 02/12/09
Posts: 745
Loc: NH
Originally Posted By: IDBob
They don't mention anything about the depredation predators do on both domestic stock and deer and elk do they. Don't see them nursing orphaned deer and elk back to health and releasing them to the wild.

The wolves released here in Idaho have now reduced some of our elk herds to the point where there are not enough to reproduce viable herds.


Looks like we need the TRIPLE S method lol


Edited by Remingtonman (12/03/15 08:31 PM)
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#3100748 - 10/31/17 08:50 AM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Outlawkyote]
TxPigKiller Offline
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Posts: 825
Loc: Throckmorton County, TX
Originally Posted By: Outlawkyote
Originally Posted By: blueline1911
Install a 6 foot fence with overhang? Install outdoor lighting?



Is there really anything that these people can't justify?


I wonder if they would help me purchase a fence like this around my ranch. Its 80 sections total. Of course, how do I get the existing coyotes off my land after the fence is up?
These people think coyotes are coming from some invisable place and going back when they are done eating. These coyotes they are talking about live here 24/7, how do I fence them out?

Try fencing 720,000 acres to keep wolves and coyotes out. If they fence it I'll quit trapping and shooting them. These people couldn't pour pi$$ out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.
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#3136694 - 03/03/18 08:13 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
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Posts: 735
Loc: Southern IN
Screw the Anti Gun screw balls. They are so [beeep] stupid. I argue with them all the time. They are incurable. I'm just glad that they don't get to elect the US Senators. We do. ha ha.
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#3274604 - 03/23/21 11:27 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
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Loc: Colorado USA
They only attack humans for revenge because a human killed his sister/brother thumbup
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#3284382 - 10/29/21 04:51 PM Re: ANTI Predator Hunting WEB Site [Re: Jeff Mock]
22 Chuck Offline
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Posts: 244
Loc: Montmorency Co, MI
"killing causes population to increase" so it seems that they would promote killing??

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