#1097981 - 01/22/09 12:53 PM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: genesis]
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Former Moderator/Retired PM Staff
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"By the same token, if you are shooting a .17 Rem and hit and the egg doesn't break, it don't count." OUCH!! that is harsh! 
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#1097982 - 01/26/09 06:44 PM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: Redfrog]
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Registered: 01/22/08
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Loc: Ohio,USA
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I think he ment to say 17 HMR not 17 Rem. LOL.
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#1097984 - 01/27/09 12:15 AM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: Yellowhammer]
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Die Hard Member
Registered: 03/03/05
Posts: 5686
Loc: Shreveport, LA
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Yeah I knew that. The reason I wont take my 17 REm to the egg shoot is because it blows the egg apart so violently that the eggs on both sides of mine will break also.
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#1097986 - 01/27/09 03:23 PM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: RagnCajn]
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suburban redneck
Registered: 02/19/03
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Loc: NY
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Yeah I knew that. The reason I wont take my 17 REm to the egg shoot is because it blows the egg apart so violently that the eggs on both sides of mine will break also.
So.........
Do you want me on your right side, or your left side, Randy? 
A 25Wizzer throws them yokes pretty good too 
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#1097987 - 02/03/09 12:37 PM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: knockemdown]
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Registered: 04/24/01
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Looks like I'm going to make the shoot this year .... I simply can not shoot for this fine rifle. I think I'm getting a bit more comfortable with the AR layout..... I might even compete with a barrowed AR this year.....
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#1097988 - 02/04/09 12:41 PM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: Michael J. McCasland]
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RagnCajn, Randy - Does rifle weight include the weight of the sling? The way I read the rules is the rifle, scope and empty magazine are required 13 pounds or less. If I was picky the rules actually say the rifle and empty mag have to weigh 13 pounds or less, accessories like a scope, rings and bases are not mentioned. But I'll leave that one to ponder and agree with the general premis, even though it isn't specifly stated, that the rifle means a rifle with scope, rings and magazine. But what about the sling? The reason I ask is because the rifle I will be using will be setup for the 13 pound limit or very close to just under the limit, adding my sling might bring it over the limit. I can't have that happen....
Also, we are required to use the supplied shooting sticks, they are very decent sticks indeed. I like'em.
My question is, are we required to stick them in the ground? Can the unaltered sticks be placed on something other than dirt?
Also, can a cord be used in conjunction with the shooting sticks? My field sticks use an extra cord or strap to support my rifle (I'll show them to you as proof) would it be acceptable to use a cord or strap attached to the rifle in conjuction with the supplied sticks?
Hmmm with that thought, can we use a sling? I use a sling to shoot with when hunting off my sticks, will that somehow disqualify me ... that wouldn't be good, if that's the case have to handicap myself and not use the sling.
Can the shooting area or position be altered. For instance if it is rough, can it be smoothed ... we do this all the time in the field ... if the shooting area can be altered, to what degree can it be altered or smoothed?
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#1097989 - 02/04/09 04:05 PM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: Michael J. McCasland]
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Die Hard Member
Registered: 03/03/05
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Loc: Shreveport, LA
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If I was picky the rules actually say the rifle and empty mag have to weigh 13 pounds or less, accessories like a scope, rings and bases are not mentioned. But I'll leave that one to ponder and agree with the general premis, even though it isn't specifly stated, that the rifle means a rifle with scope, rings and magazine. But what about the sling? The reason I ask is because the rifle I will be using will be setup for the 13 pound limit or very close to just under the limit, adding my sling might bring it over the limit. I can't have that happen....
what ever is carried to the line, less the cartridges. This will compensate for those carrying a single shot. Is is kinda hard to, with the constraints in a field setting, weigh each individual cartridge for those that don't use a mag. The gun will be weighed as it is used at the line.
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Also, we are required to use the supplied shooting sticks, they are very decent sticks indeed. I like'em.
My question is, are we required to stick them in the ground? Can the unaltered sticks be placed on something other than dirt?
This one is not hard to understand. the only requirement is to shoot from the sticks as supplied.
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Also, can a cord be used in conjunction with the shooting sticks? My field sticks use an extra cord or strap to support my rifle (I'll show them to you as proof) would it be acceptable to use a cord or strap attached to the rifle in conjuction with the supplied sticks?
If that is part of the equipment you carry to the line, and it is conducive to helping you in a predator hunting condition, get after it.
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Hmmm with that thought, can we use a sling? I use a sling to shoot with when hunting off my sticks, will that somehow disqualify me ... that wouldn't be good, if that's the case have to handicap myself and not use the sling.
See above answer
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Can the shooting area or position be altered. For instance if it is rough, can it be smoothed ... we do this all the time in the field ... if the shooting area can be altered, to what degree can it be altered or smoothed?
Everyone will be sitting on a cement pad under the shooting shed at the range. If somehow you can alter this pad, before I call fire and restore it for the range before leaving, get after it.
Now to further explain, this was set up as a fun event. It was designed to simulate an actual contest based on a predator hunting situation. The equipment used should be something that would be considered usefull in a predator hunting situation. We can argue the finer details all day long. I actually had never used sticks before the first hunt. I had allways used a bipod. I could claim that I was "handicapped" at the first shoot due to this change in equipment. I read the rules and applied standard reading comprehension and came prepared for the rules as stated. The rules set forth would be considered standard for a hunting situation.
We are discussing an ethics thread the last few days. Along those lines, I set the rules, and as such, I have recused myself from the competition due the appearance that I may have designed them in my favor. If anyone feels in their mind that they are tweeking a rule to take advantage of the other participants, consider how you would feel if the role was reversed.
Bottom line-This is to be fun, when we at Predator Masters feel it is more hassle than the benefits received, we will discontinue the shoot all together.
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#1097990 - 02/04/09 04:34 PM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: RagnCajn]
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Retired PM Staff
Registered: 04/24/01
Posts: 9470
Loc: Tucson,Az
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I don't remember a concrete pad at the line last year. I do remember the sticks being stuck in the dirt ground with my stool being on the dirt.
It never hurts to investigate the rules a bit, I'm not sure that ethics enter into the picture at all. For me, I will follow the rules as they are laid out, with a rifle that would be considered to be a predator rifle by anyone’s standard. I will ask or get approval for any item I use on the line. If any of it is declared unethical, I will not use it and still have fun.
If Predator Masters chooses not to have the Egg shoot in the future that is entirely up to them. I can see how the organization could benefit more from a raffle or an out right sale of the rifle. With that being said, make no mistake about it, those that choose to participate will find the event to be fun. I can say that I've enjoyed both of them. Who could replace the experience of shooting in the weather we experienced on the first shoot, snow wind, rain, clouds and clear skies. I laugh to this day thinking about Nmleon using brown eggs for the sighters at 200 yards on the ground. And nobody could replace Genesis shooting not one, but two Tee's off to win the Fox Pro. Then there’s Randy (you) shooting your 17 through an egg and not breaking it ... well at least not the front of the egg. I even enjoyed watching last years winner break the 300 yard egg with that beautiful Kimber of his. I kid you not, the whole thing was enjoyable... With the addition of the 100 yard egg, and the sighting targets we discussed, this year should be the best one yet.
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#1097991 - 02/04/09 08:04 PM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: Michael J. McCasland]
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MJM- you are right, there is no concrete.
I'm not sure what you could do to alter the ground or do something besides what we did last year, or why you would want to.
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#1097992 - 02/04/09 08:34 PM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: Yellowhammer]
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Die Hard Member
Registered: 03/03/05
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Loc: Shreveport, LA
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Sorry MJM. I thought there was a pad under the shed. Old age is the pits, they say the first to go is the memory.
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#1097993 - 02/05/09 11:20 AM
Re: D-Tech/PM Egg shoot
[Re: RagnCajn]
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Retired PM Staff
Registered: 04/24/01
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Loc: Tucson,Az
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Not to worry guys, I'm going to be good. I asked my questions mainly because the rifle I'm using will be very close to the 13lb limit, if I add a sling it might be over and that wouldn't be a good thing. You have established that I need to weigh the rifle with the sling attached. That's not a problem.
The rifle I'm using will be an AR. We have a large number of AR's participating in the shoot, but until now only bolt guns have won the match. It would be nice to see an AR win as well. That's not saying that I'm going to win, but one more highly capable AR on the line increases the odds.... If nothing else it will be great fun to try. I'm more excited about this shoot than I though I would be.... IT's always fun to watch people shoot.
As far as altering the shooting position is concerned. As shown in the picture, (man do I ever hate that picture of me) the ground rolls a bit in the area of the shooting line. My stool, the one I've used in the field for years is actually a box and doesn't sit on uneven ground well at all. Occasionally it is necessary to work the ground ove a bit for the box to sit solidly. Last year, while it didn't effect my shooting (no excuses implied), my stool wasn't very solid at all. Therefore the question, can the shooting area be altered the same as I would alter the ground in field conditions. You guys are fair on such things, but I don't want to assume anything either.
Randy your all right my friend, if memory serves, there was concrete in some areas, very possibly where you shot with your 17 after the match.
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