Feds kill wolf pack...

Thats just plain and simple BS! The feds can kill wolfs but we cant. Why not sell wolf permits for a premium and send their biologist out with the hunter to supervise the hunt.
 
Thirty-five Canadian wolves were released in the central Idaho wilderness in 1995 and 1996 as part of the program to reintroduce wolves in the Northern Rockies. The population has grown to an estimated 400, a large enough number to justify removing them from protection under the Endangered Species Act.
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Helloooooooo :rolleyes:

"Non-lethal methods were tried, but they didn't work and the wolves continued to kill sheep," said Carter Niemeyer, wolf recovery coordinator for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. "We won't tolerate wolves that are confirmed to be chronically killing livestock."
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I had to chuckle at that last sentence. What?...did they think that these Wolves were going to wander their tillable land and eat the insects that were ruining their crops
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Can you say p-r-e-d-a-t-o-r ?

Dump some more off, and spread em out. Hey Tommy you listening to this? Now where did you say the hunt was going to be next year /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
DUHHH.

100 sheep in a year, thats not bad. Yellerdog is hunting a single farm that has lost close to around 70 sheep in the last few years to coyotes. He just posted some pictures of 4 of them. Another was killed this week. Perhaps the Michigan DNR will kill all coyotes because of this. I got it lets bring some Alaskan Wolfs in to eat the coyotes. Our UP wolfs aren't taking down too many coyotes.

Back to the wolfs. Like River Runner said What were they thinking. Sounds like book smart people running the show and lacking common sense. Well, would that be a book smart person? Naw I don't think so as they would be hugging a tree not reading on one. Perhaps if they put daisey's in the wolfs mouths the wolfs woulds stop the killings.

OK where is their sign!

Skinner 2
 
The feds have killed "well" over 200 wolves since they were reintroduced.

Last week in the Cody Enterprise they had an article that they (the feds) killed one male on Carter mtn. (mtn behind my house) They let the bitch go because she had pups. The feds also killed a male down on Owl Creek.

They gave a rancher a permit to kill one wolf up the river from here if he saw them killing any more cattle.

I know folks that don't live in this area don't hear about all the wolf problems so I thought I'd jump in with some info
 
Hello,

I'm not a wildlife biologist by any strech of the imagination. But I seem to remember reading that only the alpha male wolf and alpha female wolf, in a pack, mate and have pups. And if you kill either/both of the alpha wolves, the rest of the pack breed uncontrolably. Does this sound right?

With such a population explosion with introduced wolves, I'm thinking they all breed uncontrolably because they're not "raised" in a natural pack setting, thus keeping the numbers in check. Maybe?

Just some thoughts that were going through my head.
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JA in SD
 
That's an interesting theory, Bonus. Kind of like drunken teenagers at an unsupervised graduation party. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif But what really happens is that natural instinct takes charge. The next most dominant wolves will challange the rest of the pack for alpha position. A short fight will determine who the new leaders will be. The instinct for the survival of the pack is what keeps them together and disciplined.
 
Bonus
Your right about the alpha male and the alpha female only doing the breeding. But........that's not the way it's working on the wolves around here. The wolves are having up to 3 litters per pack. The feds can't figure that one out.

I guess the alpha male is a "real dog" a "no good bast**d". Doesn't he know he's suppose to be faithful to his alpha!!!!!!!

I guess it's really not his fault. It's the b*tches that are coming into heat. Nothing but a bunch of shameless husseys!!!
 
Well, they say a stiff one has no conscience. Guess that applies to wolves as well as humans. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Guys...

This topic is a very heated debate to say mildly. I think the reason they introduced wolves in the West was to fill a vacant "niche". However, I would say they were not expecting the wolves to do as well as they did. They did not introduce the wolves to sell tags at premium rates. Like i said before they were not expecting the wolves to do so well and this is why they have to control the packs the way they are. As for selling tags for premium rates and have a wildlife biologist supervise the hunts is a bad idea. Wildlife biologist got their degree to help manage wildlife and human conflicts.. not to guide hunts. There is better things they can do with their time.
Also as in any canine pack if an alpha male or alpha female is killed the beta will step in and fill the opening. As for having mulitple litters a year that is very strange. Well just my thoughts on the topic.

NY Yote
 
I didnt mean the Biologist persay, but have a regulated hunt whith "a guide" from the wildlife department to make sure only the problem wolfs are being targeted. This all would allow people the shot at a Wolf of a lifetime, help control the packs , and generate revinue for the program.
 
NY
Multipule litters are VERY strange. Your also right about the wolves doing better that they thought they would.

They are also killing waaaaay more livestock they they (Pro wolf and anti wolf)thought they would.

Wyomings plan is to not charge 1 red cent to kill a wolf no seasons not license, resident or non-resident. They (we)don't want them. You would have to buy a trophy game permit if you hunt in a wilderness area.

10 of the 11 folks (bioligist, scienatist, experts) that the goverment appointed to study each states wolf plan said WY's plan would work, but the feds rejected it.
 
The Teton pack in WY had double litters two years in a row...The alpha male bred the alpha female and a younger female...The second year when both females had pups the pack killed the alpha female and the younger female rasied both litters.
 
Hey skinner2 as for the "book smart" people it does depend on the books they have been reading.
If they had they would have found out about:
Three Toes (killed more than $50000.00 worth of livestock) and killed in 1925 in Harding County,SD;
Old Lefty killed 384 head of horses, cattle and sheep;
The Custer wolf killed $25000.00 worth of livestock.
Keep in mind those dollar amounts were from when a new rifle might cost $15.00 and be considered high priced at that.
The information is from "Sportsman's Guide to Game Animals" by Leonard Lee Rue III.
 
The wolves are doing well here in the UP of MI, too well in fact. That's because there USED to be a large deer herd here. There are quite a few areas with no deer left in them, but the wolves are still around looking for a free meal. The moose population has not risen to predicted levels either. In fact, the herd has declined since the wolf reintroduction here. I can only wonder why? Heck, the MI DNR, aka Dept. of No Reason, can't even figure it out. :rolleyes: MI VHNTR
 


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