Thanks fellas, Iíll give the 53gr vmax a try and see what happens. Iím not a very good caller and the coyotes that Iíve called have hung up on me sometimes way further out than I expected. The closest Iíve had one come in was about 200yds with hand calls. Iím going to the electronic call and try using one of those decoys that flops around to see if that will get them in closer. Maybe Iíll just go with a friend and one of us can shoot the 223 up close and the other can shoot the 22 creed at dogs that hang up out there.