Scientists Petition U.N. To Stop Global Warming Hysteria

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It is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages. Geological, archaeological, oral and written histories all attest to the dramatic challenges posed to past societies from unanticipated changes in temperature, precipitation, winds and other climatic variables. We therefore need to equip nations to become resilient to the full range of these natural phenomena by promoting economic growth and wealth generation.

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued increasingly alarming conclusions about the climatic influences of human-produced carbon dioxide (CO2), a non-polluting gas that is essential to plant photosynthesis. While we understand the evidence that has led them to view CO2 emissions as harmful, the IPCC's conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions. On top of which, because attempts to cut emissions will slow development, the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it.

The IPCC Summaries for Policy Makers are the most widely read IPCC reports amongst politicians and non-scientists and are the basis for most climate change policy formulation. Yet these Summaries are prepared by a relatively small core writing team with the final drafts approved line-by-line by ­government ­representatives. The great ­majority of IPCC contributors and ­reviewers, and the tens of thousands of other scientists who are qualified to comment on these matters, are not involved in the preparation of these documents. The summaries therefore cannot properly be represented as a consensus view among experts.

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The current UN focus on "fighting climate change," as illustrated in the Nov. 27 UN Development Programme's Human Development Report, is distracting governments from adapting to the threat of inevitable natural climate changes, whatever forms they may take. National and international planning for such changes is needed, with a focus on helping our most vulnerable citizens adapt to conditions that lie ahead. Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity's real and pressing problems.






The sorry bunch at the U.N. won't listen, though. How dare real scientists remove their reasons for instituting worldwide socialism and the U.S. as their scapegoat. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
If Al Gore got lost and flew his borrowed Aflack jet into the sun ....... it might help ........ it could not hurt.

But other than that ........

..... there is not much that can be done with the sun's output.

Besides ...... when the earth was much warmer than right now .......... England grew some REALLY BIG 'MAITERS!

What a bunch of GAS BAGS these current "I used to endorse the return of the ICE AGE ...... but NOW I AM QUITE POSITIVELY ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BURN UP INSTEAD" .......... YUP ...... I am surer than sure!

AND ....... I am "really sure" that the United States is to blame! ...... and should flog itself ad infinitum til it falls of the planet!!!!!!!!!!

Three 44s
 
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So Dawg when did you start listening to scientists? Except the very few that are saying what you want to hear anyway. Why are you so afraid of the people that are concerned about global warming? Why does reducing the amount of energy we use terrify you? Are you getting out of Real Estate and buying oil stock?
BTW who are these scientists? If you are trying to present some kind of proof then lets have some valid documentation.
 
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So Dawg when did you start listening to scientists? Except the very few that are saying what you want to hear anyway. Why are you so afraid of the people that are concerned about global warming? Why does reducing the amount of energy we use terrify you? Are you getting out of Real Estate and buying oil stock?
BTW who are these scientists? If you are trying to present some kind of proof then lets have some valid documentation.




I guess a hundred is a "few", even they are among the most respected. The Goracle's scientific "consensus" consists of those with a political agenda. That is not science by any definition. Gore was a C student in science and a nitwit on top of that. He has ZERO credibility on the subject. He is smart enough to convince his followers to believe the man made climate change clap trap and thereby enrich himself. This foolishness greatly resembles a cult, where the leader expects everyone to go by rules that he wouldn't think of complying with himself. The idiot wants this for everyone, at the point of a gun if necessary. I have no fear that people are concerned about it, but when they buy into the notion that man, and specifically AMERICA is the cause, I do. This is nothing but a thinly veiled scheme for the worldwide redistribution of wealth. When some lefty wants to put his greasy paw in my pocket I'm going to take issue with it every time. If it's such a grave concern, Gore, Hollywood and the rest of you liberals can cough up the dough and save us capitalists from ourselves. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif



Signatories of an open letter on the UN climate-conference


The following are signatories to the Dec. 13th letter to the Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations on the UN Climate conference in Bali:


Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired vice-chancellor and president, University of Canberra, Australia

William J.R. Alexander, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Member, UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000

Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark

Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand

Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University of Winnipeg

Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany

Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, U.K.; Editor, Energy & Environment journal

Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S.

Reid A. Bryson, PhD, DSc, DEngr, UNE P. Global 500 Laureate; Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research; Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin

Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta

R.M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia

Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.

Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand

David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma

Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.

Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University

Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia

Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands

Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University

Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario

David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of 'Science Speak,' Australia

William Evans, PhD, editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame

Stewart Franks, PhD, Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia

R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawai'i at Manoa

Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey

Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut für Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany

Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay

Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adjunct Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden

Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand

William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University and Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project

Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut

Louis Hissink MSc, M.A.I.G., editor, AIG News, and consulting geologist, Perth, Western Australia

Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona

Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA

Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity; founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis

Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland

Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling - virology, NSW, Australia

Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden

Olavi Kärner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia

Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia

David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand

Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former research scientist, Environment Canada; editor, Climate Research (2003-05); editorial board member, Natural Hazards; IPCC expert reviewer 2007

William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology Jan J.H. Kop, MSc Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Prof. of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands

Prof. R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands

Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands

Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), The Netherlands

The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K.

Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary

David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware

Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS

Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant and power engineer, Auckland, New Zealand

William Lindqvist, PhD, independent consulting geologist, Calif.

Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors

Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia

Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia

Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut für Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany

John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand

Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economy, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.

Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph

John McLean, PhD, climate data analyst, computer scientist, Australia

Owen McShane, PhD, economist, head of the International Climate Science Coalition; Director, Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand

Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University

Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University

Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway

Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia

Nils-Axel Morner, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden

Lubos Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic

John Nicol, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Physics, James Cook University, Australia

David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa

James J. O'Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University

Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia

Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia

R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University

Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minnesota

Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia

Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan

Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences

Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief - Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal Netherland Air Force

R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology

Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands

Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, B.C.

Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway

Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA

S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director Weather Satellite Service

L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario

Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville

Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden

Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute

[beeep] Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC

Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand

Len Walker, PhD, Power Engineering, Australia

Edward J. Wegman, PhD, Department of Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia

Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production Management and Logistics, University of Technolgy and Economics Berlin, Germany

Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland

David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Virginia

Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Australia

A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy
 
So would you agree with these “most respected” scientists on different subjects? Such as the age of the earth, evolution and long term climate changes.
 
Only if they can back it up with real science and have no agenda. Do you have some documentation that supports your defense of the climate change Woodstock going on in Bali or is it just a natural reaction to defend other liberals when the truth is exposed?
 
Since reducing our carbon footprint involves reducing our consumption of oil how is this a bad thing? If Gore was the only one involved in this issue I would be very skeptical myself. I agree that like any political issue there is a lot of hype and BS attached, that doesn’t mean that the core issues aren’t valid. There are a lot of people that for a long time denied that warming was happening at all. Now most of these people have had to admit that it is happening; so they are busting a gut trying to pass it off as a natural phenomenon.
 
Gore and the U.N are at the center of it. That's all I need to very suspicious. Their idea of a "cure" is to dismantle the economies of producing nations and handing that wealth over to those nations who don't produce much other than death, mayhem, and totalitarianism. A global welfare program is not the answer for an alleged problem that we can do nothing about. Who's to say that a carbon footprint is a bad thing? That's not even settled. If it is, would you agree that buying "carbon offsets" is nothing more than a feel good solution to something that may not even be a problem? Free market ingenuity is the best solution if so called global climate change is even a problem while hamstringing entrepreneurism surely isn't. Regulating energy use does little other than stifle economic growth and prosperity. You say the "deniers" (Algore's term )are "busting a gut to pass it off as natural phenomenon." When it was scientifically proven to the greenies that worldwide warming was not fact and that some regions of the earth were in a cooling pattern they came up with the term "climate change" and tried to pass that off as being man made and by extension America's fault. This is the same nutty bunch that was screaming about the coming ice age back in the '70's in an effort to secure the next inflated taxpayer funded grant to "study" the impending disaster before us at the time. They were predicting glaciers would cover the North American continent by the end of the century. I'm still here, how 'bout you? I mowed the lawn last month, not a glacier. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
You’re rambling on with a bunch of disconnected claims; do you have proof that global warming is a UN plot to ruin our economy? Can you prove that the same people who were talking about cooling in the 70’s are the same ones who are talking about global warming now? And again, if the scientists that signed that petition are so right about global warming that the mere act of signing a petition disproves the whole issue; are they right about other issue also?
 
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You’re rambling on with a bunch of disconnected claims; do you have proof that global warming is a UN plot to ruin our economy? Can you prove that the same people who were talking about cooling in the 70’s are the same ones who are talking about global warming now? And again, if the scientists that signed that petition are so right about global warming that the mere act of signing a petition disproves the whole issue; are they right about other issue also?



Just listen to what they are saying over there, it's not hard to read between the lines. Can you provide some proof that my "disconnected claims" aren't true? Those scientists have the facts on their side. I'll take their word over that of the Goracle or you any day. Do you have any proof of an agenda behind what they are saying? Must be the latest version of the vast right wing conspiracy.
 
Al Gore- Dec. 13


"I am not an official of the United States and I am not bound by the diplomatic niceties," Gore said in an hour-long speech on Thursday evening. "So I am going to speak an inconvenient truth. My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali."

Gore was invited to speak to delegates in recognition of his Nobel Peace Prize, shared with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, for promoting awareness about global warming.


What kind of "progress" do you think he refers to here Rimmy? Our "failure" to sign on to Kyoto, a worthless fishwrapper of a document that gives a free pass to the world's worst polluters, while at the same time it would wreck the U.S. economy? Don't you find it telling that a former Vice President travels to a foreign country to rip on his own nation with the U.N. lapping it up? Really, what are this clown's credentials? Producing a Michael Moore like "documentary" full of half truths and outright lies? A Nobel Peace Prize, which is simply the left's most elite mutual admiration society? It must be great priveledge to be lumped in with Jimmy Carter and Yasser Arafat. Can you show us where the U.N. has ever taken a single PRO American position? And you want to defend these people while simultaneously trying to convince us you are a non partisan independant above the fray? Get real. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
and this is your proof? A sentence by Gore and a rambling paragraph of your theories about the issue including the obligatory remarks about my political leaning. That's weak Dawg, real weak. Now what about my other question?
 
Here's more from Mr. America on the U.K.'s Independant website.

Too little, too late: Gore blames scientists for climate crisis
US could have acted sooner if experts had reached consensus
By Jonathan Owen
Published: 24 June 2007
In an extraordinary outburst aimed at America's failure to tackle global warming, Al Gore says that if scientific agreement on the climate crisis had been reached sooner it would have been easier to "galvanise the public and persuade Congress to act".

The failed presidential candidate claims that the stronger scientific consensus he knew was about to emerge meant "we in the US were about to shift into high gear in addressing the climate crisis". Mr Gore argues that if he had made it to the White House, he would have been able to use the office as a "bully pulpit" to achieve change.

"The nature and severity of the climate crisis had seemed painfully obvious to me for quite a long time," claims Mr Gore, writing in a new foreword to a revised edition of his book, Earth in the Balance, being published this week.

In a swipe at the scientific community, he says: "I wish that we could have had in the 1990s the deafening scientific consensus that has emerged in more recent years."

Mr Gore accuses his nemesis, President George Bush, of having taken "virtually no steps to address the problem. Worse, he and Vice President Cheney have led the nation in precisely the wrong direction."

He goes on to detail how the Bush administration reversed a pledge to regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant, pulled out of negotiations on the Kyoto treaty and replaced key scientific advisers with ones suggested by oil giant ExxonMobil.

The point of no return will be reached within 10 years, the former vice president says, and we cannot wait any longer to solve the crisis. He blames a focus on instant gratification for the "exclusion of long-term consequences in our decisions and policies" and writes about his "mission of solving the climate crisis". His Oscar-winning documentary on climate change, An Inconvenient Truth, became the surprise box-office hit of 2006.

Mr Gore claims that concerns over the environment formed his "principal agenda for eight years in the White House". But he is light on details of what he did while in office, beyond a brief mention of his work with the Kyoto treaty (which was never ratified by Congress).

During his tenure as vice president, America's carbon dioxide emissions shot up far faster than at any time in modern history - by 15 per cent, compared to just 1.65 per cent during President Bush's first term.

Although Mr Gore is currently promoting the Live Earth concerts that will take place next month, speculation is increasing that he may exploit the surge in his popularity and run for president in 2008 - 20 years after first standing for the office.

He is one of a growing number of political figures who have embraced the green cause.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Hollywood star turned "green Governor" of California, will be in Europe this week for meetings with Tony Blair and the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, to find ways of reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

Further reading: 'Earth in Balance' by Al Gore, published by Earthscan, £9.99, www.earthscan.co.uk




The envirowhackos are the first to shout down ANY dissenting opinions contrary to their "consensus", no matter how credible. If you believe anything coming from Al Gore and the U.N., you've been hittin' the Kool-aid hard.
 
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and this is your proof? A sentence by Gore and a rambling paragraph of your theories about the issue including the obligatory remarks about my political leaning. That's weak Dawg, real weak. Now what about my other question?



Forget my theories. Are you questioning the remarks of some of the world's top climatologists or their motives? What question of yours have I failed to answer? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
OK Mr. Independant, can you share with us knuckledraggers here on PM why YOU think our signing the Kyoto Accord would be a positive thing for the U.S.? We peons need guidance from the Ivory Tower of ideological purity. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif
 
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and this is your proof? A sentence by Gore and a rambling paragraph of your theories about the issue including the obligatory remarks about my political leaning. That's weak Dawg, real weak. Now what about my other question?



Forget my theories. Are you questioning the remarks of some of the world's top climatologists or their motives? What question of yours have I failed to answer? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif



What remarks are you talking about? All you have shown is a petition signed by a group of scientists. Most of the scientists you listed aren’t climatologists let along among the top ones in their field. And again if the scientists you list are beyond questioning on global warming do you agree with them on other issues?
 
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OK Mr. Independant, can you share with us knuckledraggers here on PM why YOU think our signing the Kyoto Accord would be a positive thing for the U.S.? We peons need guidance from the Ivory Tower of ideological purity. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif


Where have I said we should sign the Kyoto accord? Dawg at least be honest in your arguing.
 
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Only if they can back it up with real science and have no agenda. Do you have some documentation that supports your defense of the climate change Woodstock going on in Bali or is it just a natural reaction to defend other liberals when the truth is exposed?



I answered that already. What else do you want? Care to answer my series of questions you referred to as a "rambling paragraph"? Again, is signing Kyoto a good idea? If so, why?
 
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Only if they can back it up with real science and have no agenda.


So who defines what is “real science” and determines who has an agenda and who doesn’t. Do these scientists show “real science” and lack of an agenda in their letter? All I’ve seen them add is a signature yet you are quite willing to accept this as proof of your claims.

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Again, is signing Kyoto a good idea? If so, why?


I’ve never read the Kyoto accord. I don’t know if signing it is a good thing or a bad thing.
 
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