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#601799 - 01/16/07 10:22 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: Varmonter]
varmentwacker Offline
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Registered: 06/29/06
Posts: 2036
Loc: TYLER TX
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#601800 - 01/17/07 05:05 AM Re: help new reloaders [Re: varmentwacker]
bigjeepman Offline
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Registered: 01/26/03
Posts: 322
Loc: Utah
The advice on getting a manual is very good. I think when you get done reading the first one you buy, you need to buy a second one. I use five different ones just to cross reference with. You will notice different minimum and max load numbers in the manuals. Also use the internet for reading material ... such as the link below. I printed out some of their pages to keep on my reloading wall for quick reference ... such as cartridge length (max and trim to)... they also have a conversion chart that I have found useful.

http://www.reloadbench.com/main.html

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#601801 - 01/17/07 03:23 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: bigjeepman]
bluedog1us Offline
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Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 97
Loc: Ethel, Louisiana
One thing i learned the hard way was that a load which performs well in YOUR rifle, may just be much too hot in another rifle of the same caliber, make and model. So I repeat what others here are saying...WORK UP EACH LOAD!
I shot some reloads my buddy was using in his rifle in mine and separated the case. I was young and foolish then, and was very lucky also. Don't research reloading after all else fails, do the research and studying FIRST.
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#601802 - 01/17/07 09:02 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: bluedog1us]
savage99 Offline
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Registered: 04/11/03
Posts: 1168
Loc: Glen, NH
The one piece of advice I would give would relate to loading for others, be very cautios of this. I had guys coming up to me when they found out I reloaded and saying, "Hey, can I try your load in my rifle, your's shoots well?" NEVER give someone a pet load of your's to try in their gun. Remember, you worked up your load in your gun, where you watched for signs of pressure as you worked it up. I will help family and a few close friends work up a load ONLY if I am there to start low, and inspect the reloads for pressure signs while we shoot and test their rifle together. I would NOT do this if you are just starting out, some folks never do. There are alot of people I WILL NOT do this for, I am very particular about doing this.

The other thing that I think is of the utmost importance is to keep ONE powder and ONE powder only on the bench, the ONE you are working with. DO NOT be afraid to ask for help here, I have exploited the knowledge of the fine folks here for a long time now, they have saved me time, energy, money, and have always kept me pointed in the SAFE direction, Rich.
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#601803 - 01/18/07 01:22 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: savage99]
stiff neck Offline
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Registered: 06/26/03
Posts: 888
Loc: Northern CA
Get lots of advice, but don't trust it. Test everything yourself (with each rifle you load for) starting on the low/safe side and work your way up.

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#601804 - 01/18/07 02:55 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: stiff neck]
blinddog Offline
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Registered: 04/21/06
Posts: 3441
Loc: Kansas U.S.A. 5 miles from th...
How many post start with "looking for good load for----"Never use a load that you see on a bbs like this one never use a load that someone says is good. Verify it!!Bullet and powder companies spend millions developing loads and testing them they also spend millions on test equiptment. Use loading manuals. Update your manuals regularly I have been handloading since the 1960's I have a lot of olds manuals that show loads I would not think of useing now a days. Ammunition companies and powder manufacturers use blended powders over time the blends can change slightly. But if your loading max charges a slight increase in powder burn rate can make a drastic differance, so use currant loading manuals. Pet loads may work well for the person who developed them, in one firearm, but in another they could be too hot depending on things like chamber wear exct. Remeber that each rifle , pistol , or shotgun is a law unto itself they are like women in some things what one may like another may hate.

My own rules for handloading
1 Always use eye protection.
2Always use current data, and components
3. Never use data that is from an unknown source.
4 Never use diferant components than what is specified unless working up to a known load. This means that is you are loading from a manual and it says use a CCI SMall rifle primer do not substitute a Fed small rifle mag primer because someone said it works better. In some loads that type substitution can cause major injury to you or your firearm
These are simple rules and have been stated several times in many places
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#601805 - 01/18/07 03:43 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: blinddog]
IDBob Offline
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Registered: 01/07/07
Posts: 4988
Loc: Peck Idaho
Best advice I can give is develope a routine and stick to it. This advice is for folks using a single stage press setup. I have both a single stage press and one of Lee's turret presses that I use as a single stage press. I just like having the dies all set up in it's individual turret.

Mine goes something like this:

1. Deprime brass with a Lee depriming die. (this does all sized of cases)

2. I use one of the RCBS case prep stations so I clean the primer pockets and the inside of the necks and do an inside and outside chamfer to the case mouths.

3. Tumble clean, seperate your cases from the media, check primer pockets for stuck media. Be sure and poke out any media that sticks in the primer flash hole. I use a Lee Trimmer. The point just fits thru the primer flash hole.

3. Place in loading blocks and spray with Hornedy one shot sizing lube. I do it from two sides at a 45 degree angle so it gets into the case mouth as well as on the outside of the case.

4. Resize. If your using the Lee collet neck sizing die you do not have to lube. If your using full length sizing dies then the spray lube works good for me. Some folks use Imperial sizing wax and that is also an excellent lube.

5. Put the cases back into the tumbler for an hour to clean the lube off them. Some folks don't do this and it's OK, I just don't like the idea of any excess lube inside or outside of a case thats going into the chamber of my rifles.

6. Prime all the cases. I use a Lee auto-prime and have since they came out. It lets me feel the primer bottom in the case.

7. Charge your cases with powder. I used a standard measure and scale for years, then went to the RCBS electronic dispenser and measure. Very consistant loads, but check on your beam scale once and a while.

8. Once you have powder in your cases and under good light look into all the cases while there sitting in the loading blocks. If there are any gross differences you will be able to see them. I have a four foot double floresent light above my reloading bench. I like to pick up the blocks of cases that I've just charged with powder and tilt them several ways as I look into them.

9. Seat your bullets. I like to try my reloads to see if they function in the rifle. Do this with the safety on and the gun pointed in a direction that would be safe if it went off. If I'm loading lots of varmit rounds I will only try one magazine full.

The idea is to do one step at a time, depriming, case prep, lubing, resizing, priming, powder and bullet seating. Check your work as you go. I find that as I do each step I like to move the cases from one loading block to another. This keeps the confusion of "have I done that row of cases" to a minimum.

Do wear safety glasses.

I like to listen to the country western station (cause I'm old), but televisions are a no-no.

Good luck you new reloaders, crafting your own ammo is a great hobby in its own right.



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#601806 - 01/18/07 06:20 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: IDBob]
BuzzBee Offline
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Registered: 06/27/06
Posts: 681
Loc: Rocky Mountain
One more to add to the list.

Try to develop a habit of keeping a record of your loads. Documenting the components & procedure in your reloading not only ensure the consistency (accuracy), itís also a part of the safety measurement. Specially, when you have multiple guns sharing the same caliber.
As you already know, ammo load for one gun may not work well or is safe to shoot in another & cartridge that looks the same can easily get mixed up over time so it's very important for you to keep them apart.

You may use different ammo containers to help you distinguish them, adding a detailed label on each box is indispensable. You should also have a way to ID them once they are removed from the box, it can be done in many ways, I happen to like using different components to tell them apart. For example, I have several guns in .223, to help me I use CCI BR4 primer exclusively in the AR and only Remington 7-1/2 for the bolt guns, the two primers have difference appearance, then between the 2 bolt guns, one shoots the Lapua brass exclusively and the other use Winchester. If you have more, any of the brass/primer/bullet combination also makes it unique.
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#601807 - 01/19/07 07:40 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: BuzzBee]
Jim n Iowa Offline
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Registered: 07/10/01
Posts: 761
Loc: Georgetown, TX USA
I think IDBob has a good point, a solid routine. On my bench are two signs, one; for what to take to the range (ever forget something?)two; for the procedure of reloading. At one time I thought that I schould load case's in 223 in advance, the problem was I have (2) 223's. So are these ns or fs, or labled. So as was mentioned a loading log, and I use a range log to compare the loads, and post it as to what stage this case is in the system.
I agree one multiple manuals, I stay up to date on Hornady, Sierra, and Speer. Country is OK but so is Jimmy Buffet and Mozart, for reloading.
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#601808 - 01/19/07 08:11 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: Jim n Iowa]
varmentwacker Offline
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Registered: 06/29/06
Posts: 2036
Loc: TYLER TX
need to also keep up with how many times your brass has been reloaded.at some point they are going to go bad.this is something that also veries between guns.i have had brass that i reloaded 9 times and had no problems in one gun while in one of my other guns i would start having problems after 4 reloads.
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#601809 - 01/21/07 12:30 AM Re: help new reloaders [Re: varmentwacker]
gube204 Offline
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Registered: 10/19/06
Posts: 159
Loc: Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta
Need to remember that ladder loading the smaller cartridges is alot different than ladder loading the bigger ones. It is very very easy to suddenly hit high pressure problems with the smaller guys like the 17 and the 204. Ladder loading with these small guys should be .2 gr at a time MAX.
It is very easy to go from a "safe" load to a dangerous "hot" load in just a couple of grains. The bigger calibers are a bit more forgiving in this aspect.
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#601810 - 01/21/07 01:30 AM Re: help new reloaders [Re: gube204]
broknaero Offline
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Registered: 02/18/06
Posts: 1405
Loc: Pennsylvania
This is good stuff! I am proud to be a member of this site... everyone who has added has atleast touched on safety. This is'nt like some job requireing you to wear a back belt to lift some stuff. This is people with common sence useing it! Safety is very real when it comes to this stuff. People can, and have been seriously injured or killed from reloading. We learn from they're misfortunes. If we cant learn from an accident then the accident was pointless.

As far a working up loads goes, a good pair of shooting glasses are worth alot more then you paid for them. I dont care how much you pay. They just seem to be one of those things you dont appreciate until you need them. If you dont have them when you need them then its too late. Theres no going back at that point.

Theres alot of bennifits of reloading. But even the most experianced oldtimers doing this forever know that safety is first. They dont take shortcuts and neither should you!
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#601811 - 01/21/07 10:03 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: broknaero]
RO Rick Offline
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Registered: 11/29/03
Posts: 45
Loc: Chicago IL
Okay I have been reloading for about 20 years now and one of the most valuable tools I have ever purchased was a cronograph. Pressure is what blows up your gun. As velocity increase's so does pressure. Loading manuals give a max velocity as well as a max powder charge. Some guns reach that max velocity max pressure point at somewhat lower powder charge's than what's listed. You need some way to measure this accuratly. I can't count how many time's I have been at the range clocking loads and been approached by some guy wanting to know the velocity of his "pet load". You'd be suprised at how many time's that load clocked over max for that powder/bullet combo. 9 out of 10 time's there were no visable signs of exccesive pressure. But it was there. Be safe get a cronograph. Know for sure your not on the ragged edge.

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#601812 - 01/21/07 10:52 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: RO Rick]
BuzzBee Offline
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Registered: 06/27/06
Posts: 681
Loc: Rocky Mountain
Not sure your logic makes any sense. Even though pressure and velocity is closely related, but they are also very different and I donít believe a Chrono is a good devise used to measure the load pressure.
Just because a load is below the published velocity, it does not mean itís always safe and vise versa.
The interior of a bore, the dia and twist rate all will affect the velocity. That said, some barrels are faster than the other. Pressure signs are pressure signs, if they are there than you should back off regardless of the velocity reading.
A Chronograph is used to measure the speed of a projectile. I use it to check the uniformity of my loads but itís far from a strain gage which is the devise used to measure the load pressure.
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#601813 - 01/22/07 03:25 AM Re: help new reloaders [Re: BuzzBee]
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Registered: 06/29/06
Posts: 2036
Loc: TYLER TX
you guys have really come through on this one.MAKES ME PROUD TO BE A MEMBER HERE.i will stress one more time something that has been said in every post SAFTY is the most important thing.if you have any doughs what so ever stop.get on this board and ask someone. matter of fact you can pm me your number and i will be glad to help you any way i can.
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