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#1459375 - 12/27/09 04:33 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: stiff neck]
Rickyfur Offline
New Member

Registered: 12/13/09
Posts: 24
Loc: Daleville, Indiana
I just bought a R-15 223 want to know what bullet type to use fot coyote.
I am going to reload . just need a good bullet type.


Edited by Rickyfur (12/28/09 03:02 PM)

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#1463989 - 12/30/09 10:05 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: sbranden]
BuckeyeSpecial Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 11/02/07
Posts: 819
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: sbranden
So how many loadings, on average - for 222, 204, or 243 whatever experiences you have to share? That's the question.

My "max load" was a 20.5 of 4198 with a 50gr bullet in the case of the .222 rem. So a "book max", not something unique and extra "ify" that only I had ever tried, and in winter. Tell me how many people out there haven't tried this load before! Come on guys.

And on the primer thing, is a 6 1/2 way different from say a CCI 400 which people also pretty commonly use in 222 rem. ? Your point on "process" though is well taken 1stpitch.


Branden:

Typically, you can expect 6-10 loadings...however, this varies due to how "hot" the loads, how tight/sloppy the chamber is [although the chamber is within the 6-7 thousandths range of SAMMI specs], whether you neck size only and full length re-size on the 4/5th reloading, how old the brass is....etc.

For the .222, the case necks are on the thin side, so sometimes they split before other calibers....

As a rule, I have a max of 1 grain below the manual max, and sometimes at 2 grains under the book max if accuracy and killing power is there anyway...that provides an additional pressure safety margin.

I work up my "maximum" i.e. hunting loads in the hot summer months of OH and thus, they are fine all year around. Consider powders that are NOT temperature sensitive...the relatively new ramshot line is one...XTerminator shoots great in the .222 and .223 (I load for both) Western powders which owns Ramshot and Alliant, have a very comprehensive, and FREE reloading manual with lab tested loads... so call or email them...they are great folks there at Western and will mail it in a day/two of speaking with you.

As to primers, I have stuck with CCIs over the years cause they were always available when I started reloading back in 1983. But, all brands are good.

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#1539582 - 02/24/10 07:22 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: stiff neck]
Old Yote Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 12/11/09
Posts: 172
Loc: CA
Been reloading 243, 270,30-30 & 300winmag for years but just bought my first 223. Bullet diameters have me a bid confused. I assume .222 diameter is a 222 swift, .223 is Rem and .224 is a Weatherby. I see very small assortment of .223 bullets listed and lots of .224. Does the .223 AR-15 shoot only the .223 bullets or does it shoot the .224 bullets.

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#1539585 - 02/24/10 07:23 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: Old Yote]
freefloat Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/02/10
Posts: 184
Loc: MN
The .223 shoots .224

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#1539607 - 02/24/10 07:38 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: freefloat]
Old Yote Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 12/11/09
Posts: 172
Loc: CA
Thanks freefloat. I just went and got into the reloading manuel and looked it up.

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#1546078 - 03/02/10 04:23 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: stiff neck]
CA Desert Dog Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 07/06/04
Posts: 197
Loc: Huntington Beach, CA
Nic 58 makes a very good point and I will repeat it. Whatever you do, keep your mind on what you are doing. No wife distractions, no kids, no animals, just you and your reloading bench.

And always, always establish a defined routine and perform your various reloading steps in the same manner, every time. Check your simple beam scale for accuracy (zero adjust and weight setting) frequently and do not rely on the accuracy of electronic scales. Electronic scale accuracy can be effected by static electricity, fluorescent lights, ambient temperature, magnetic fields and other influences.

Keep a pad and pen handy and record all of the details of everything you do when building a load. Number your recipes and number your targets before going to the range. Test and record all results and file your 8.5 X 11 targets in a loose leaf binder for reference later.

Use care when handling primers and if a primer gets stuck somewhere, be very careful when removing it, especially if it is in close proximity to other primers.

Lyman has a pretty good basic reloading book. Buy it and read it. Lastly, you don't need to buy all of the big bucks brands of stuff. Lee makes a very inexpensive powder measure that is accurate and their Lee Auto-Prime tool works great too. Many of my die sets are from Lee and I have built very accurate rounds from them.

Don't always strive for the hottest load. Most times, the more moderate loads are the most accurate. They are a lot easier on your rifle barrel's throat too.


Edited by CA Desert Dog (03/02/10 04:24 PM)
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#1550872 - 03/06/10 10:55 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: CA Desert Dog]
hawkeye reloader Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 537
Loc: Iowa
Handloading for Competition (making the target bigger) by Glen Zediker is a must have. So is Precision Reloading and Shooting Handbook by Fred Sinclair (Sinclair Intl.) Get a Loadbooks USA for your caliber in addition to a few reloading manuals. Lots to swallow there for a new-bee but great reference material. I say if at all possible, have someone show you how to reload first to get the basics. I like keeping a detailed journal as well as an Excel spreadsheet to document load success as well as other things like Trim-to-length, Headspace, Seating depth, COAL, etc. I bought a labeler and label the trim lengths on my trimmer for all my calibers, same with die slots for my Redding T-7, powder bottles, bullet/tool bins. Great advice on never throwing away test targets. Big mistake, almost as bad as selling a gun and wishing you had it back!

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#1557938 - 03/13/10 11:40 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: hawkeye reloader]
Mr. Outdoors Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 10/19/09
Posts: 649
Loc: Halfwaythere
Alot of great posts here. i just purchased my reloading rig last night. I will be doing a lot of reading before i get going here and am sure I will have questions,but it looks like i wont have a hard time finding the answers.
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#1567926 - 03/25/10 12:40 AM Re: help new reloaders [Re: Mr. Outdoors]
FutureFNWO Offline
Predator Master

Registered: 03/10/10
Posts: 92
Loc: Calgary
im lookin to start reloading my 7mm Rem. Mag. any tips?

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#1571374 - 03/29/10 09:19 AM Re: help new reloaders [Re: FutureFNWO]
Mr. Outdoors Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 10/19/09
Posts: 649
Loc: Halfwaythere
i bought the charge master 1500 and i think its great. Very quick and accurate.


Edited by Mr. Outdoors (03/29/10 09:19 AM)
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#1666918 - 09/04/10 12:09 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: Mr. Outdoors]
BuckeyeSpecial Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 11/02/07
Posts: 819
Loc: Ohio
Two good bullets for the .223 are the 52 gr. Speer HP and 50 gr. Sierra Blitz.

Also good in 40 gr. is the Sierra 40gr. HP

All three are generally "pelt friendly".

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#1693927 - 10/15/10 04:17 AM Re: help new reloaders [Re: Wyocoyoter]
RTLOF18918B Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 10/06/07
Posts: 1029
Loc: In the high desert
Originally Posted By: Wyocoyoter
Develope a routine and stick to it. Zero your scales periodically.

Buy your bullets, primers, brass & powder in bulk with the same lot numbers.

Good point on saving targets. I also have a target file with notes on each bull as to load, date, outside temp, rifle etc.

Keep your loading bench clean and well organized.


I will add to this. Do not zero your scales periodically. Zero your scales and calipers EVERY TIME YOU RELOAD OR MOVE YOUR SCALES FROM THEIR ORIGINAL POSITION AND CHECK THE ZERO FREQUENTLY.

Keep a routine down. Check the chambering in your rifle BEFORE you seat primers. Finally, IF YOU ARE POURING POWDER AND CHECK THE CASES YOU ARE SEATING THE BULLETS. FOLLOW THE ADVISE ON THIS FORUM. These guys know what they are talking about. I f you have question, stop and ask. Better safe than sorry.


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#1710103 - 11/04/10 08:38 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: Mr. Outdoors]
Fat Albert Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/30/10
Posts: 36
Loc: north of L.A. Peoples Republic...
Reel Lost: All 22 center fire cartridges uses .224" BUT there are a couple that don't. The odd sizes are .222 that is used in 22 Jet shells that was a 357Mag necked to 22cal. used in S&W revolvers. The .223 bullets were for pre ww-2 22 Hornets that used 22 rimfire barrels. and the 22 Savage(303 Savage case necked down) uses .228 bullets( why? I don"t know.

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#1726530 - 11/23/10 05:26 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: Fat Albert]
alleyyooper Offline
New Member

Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 18
Loc: Michigan
Lots of good information here and some that should be taken with a grain of salt.

I pick up brass at the range, lots of high rollers who do not have time to reload use the clubs ranges. One can spot brass that is past it's experitation date with a bent paper clip and a good cleaning.

I do the powder drop and install the bullet and seat right then before going to a different case. No cases get a double charge that way. I'm old and slow and have all my body parts still.

Load well away in a scary part of the homestead from the family. You can sit on the couch for hours and hours twiddling your thumbs and no one says boo to you. Turn on the TV, Start reading,listening to the radio or start reloading then they (wife and kids) have all types of junk they need you for. If they can't see you all is well.

Keep plenty of loading blocks on hand so you can keep all cleaned and ready to go brass handy when you start reloading.

MAKE SURE YOU CLEAN AND INSPECT EVERY PIECE OF BRASS YOU ARE GOING TO RELOAD. Then inspect it again after you have reloaded it.


Want advice on the load for your 7 mm mag? Buy several reloading manual and do your own work up never trust a word of mouth or printed on a forum load. Typeing errors happen every day on the internet. Remember the thing in school to pass the message along to your neighbor and the end result was nothing like the orginal message?

Do you own work up and be safe.

I started reloading so long ago powder came in wax papper cans and kegs. Primers came in waxed cartons too. Herters was a bigger outdoor product supplier than Cabelas is today.

I keep records of my reloads and have Remington brass for the 243 and 308 that have been thru the press 20 plus times. Ya like me they are old and slow and accrite.

laugh Al


Edited by alleyyooper (11/23/10 05:30 PM)
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#1737078 - 12/02/10 11:17 PM Re: help new reloaders [Re: alleyyooper]
BuckeyeSpecial Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 11/02/07
Posts: 819
Loc: Ohio
alleyyooper:

Yes, and by God we love you for it! It's nice to have some one around here who knows something....

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