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#579898 - 12/27/06 09:44 PM Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round?
Bearcat 74 Offline
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I have been reading more about people using SMK bullets for hunting, especially deer. What do you guys think about the .223 Federal Match 69gr SMK as a coyote and groundhawg round? I am shooting a BushMaster 24" 1/9twist would it handle that weight bullet? How do you think performance would be?



Thanks


Edited by Bearcat 74 (12/27/06 09:46 PM)
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#579899 - 12/27/06 10:03 PM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: Bearcat 74]
Jack Roberts Offline
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Most of the people who have actually tried them think they work quite well. A lot of people don't like them but they are usually just quoting somebody else.

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#579900 - 12/27/06 10:08 PM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: Jack Roberts]
Steve Aryan Offline
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Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
I am in the process of doing some test on the 75gr BTHP by Hornady. It has a higher BC than the 77gr SMK and is mag length. Also its cheaper to buy from Black Hills than the 77gr (by almost $100 per 1k). I have had good luck with the 77gr SMK as far as accuracy but havnt tested it on fur yet. From what I have read I agree with Mr. Roberts.
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#579901 - 12/27/06 10:48 PM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: Steve Aryan]
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I don't think will have a problem as your 24" barrel will keep the vel up. I believe folks having the problems are shooting the rounds in short barrels. Vel is the key with these bullets in my opinion.

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#579902 - 12/27/06 11:02 PM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: SteveM]
Bearcat 74 Offline
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Would you guys try the Federals @3000fps or the Black Hills@2850fps? I have no idea if these are actual, just what is listed on the net.
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#579903 - 12/28/06 01:17 AM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: Bearcat 74]
Steve Aryan Offline
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Would you guys try the Federals @3000fps or the Black [Email]Hills@2850fps?[/Email] I have no idea if these are actual, just what is listed on the net.



Get some of both. See which one your gun likes better.
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#579904 - 12/28/06 01:20 AM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: Steve Aryan]
SteveM Offline
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I shoot the BH 69's and in my rifles they are extremely accurate. My rifles have a 1 in 8 twist.

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#579905 - 12/28/06 02:46 AM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: SteveM]
Yotehunter59 Offline
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Loc: Ely, Nevada
Your rifle should do fine with them. The 69 gr. SMK require at least a 1 in 10 twist to stabilize....JOHN
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#579906 - 12/28/06 03:14 AM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: Yotehunter59]
varmentwacker Offline
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Registered: 06/29/06
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the 77gr smk black hills are doing great out of my 223.i have shot 4 does with them this year and a bunch of hogs.i shot a 250 lb sow tonight.
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#579907 - 12/28/06 03:40 AM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: Bearcat 74]
LDhunter Offline
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Bearcat,

I've fired thousands of 69gr Matchkings in rifles with 1:9" twist from Bushmasters to Remington bolt rifles with stellar results. It seems that the 1:9" twist and the 69gr Matchking are a perfect combination for accuracy.

To be honest with you I've never used them on coyotes but on long range prairie dogs they didn't seem to open up very well and I went back to the 55gr and 60gr VMax.

Obviously the coyote presents a lot more "flesh, hide, and bone" to cause bullet expansion on the terminal end so this data may be useless for terminal performance in coyotes.

Note that there are a LOT of hunters that use Matchkings for hunting with good results but there are a some hunters that claim to have had failure to expand. Sierra technicians will claim that it's not a good choice because the bullet was designed as a target bullet and wasn't designed to perform like a hunting bullet at the terminal end.

For those that are about to "inform" me that Remington doesn't make a rifle chambered in 223 with a 1:9" twist check this out....

Remington 700P
Remington LTR

My personal choice for a coyote bullet for a 223 for coyotes would be the excellent 60gr VMax which is a proven performer and was designed for optimum terminal performance on game but I'd sure like to hear of your actual field experiences with the Matchkings if you elect to try it.

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#579908 - 12/28/06 08:23 AM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: LDhunter]
Bearcat 74 Offline
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Thanks for all the replies, I will pick up a couple boxes of each and try this weekend.




Thanks again
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#579909 - 12/28/06 08:36 AM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: Bearcat 74]
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Registered: 01/24/02
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I can't speak for these bullets on deer or 'yotes, but I have used them on chucks, and they are a dismal failure.

They were about as effective as an ice pick.

Except for one, whose spine was hit... all the rest made it back to the hole (with speed), and bled to death down in the holes.
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#579910 - 12/28/06 09:51 AM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: CatShooter]
brdeano Offline
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Registered: 12/04/05
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Loc: Northern MI
Never tried the SMK for deer, but I have tried the Amax. Here is a little meat buck I shot with a 75gr Amax at 3350 out of a 22" 22-250. I have since backed it off to about 3300-3320 with better accuracy results at longer ranges. The amax did not hold together, It completely came apart inside. I could only find a few small pieces of the jacket. I am going to work up a load with the 62gr TSX and keep the target bullets for shooting targets with.

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#579911 - 12/29/06 01:19 AM Re: Federal Match 69gr SMK as a hunting round? [Re: brdeano]
SteveM Offline
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Cat, what caliber were you shooting them in and what was the barrel length or vel?

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