running coyotes with dogs

Maybe its done differently in other places, but here in the wide open flats of eastern NM the dog hunters will drive wherever think they can get away with it until they see a coyote, but even then its not a foot race between dog and coyote. The driver pretty much sticks his foot on the floor, chasing the coyote hoping he can slow down before he hits a road, cow trail, washout, etc and the navigator watches the coyote telling the driver to steer right or left. Only when the coyote is practically run over by the pick-up, or crosses a fence and there is no gate handy for the truck to get thru will the dogs be turned out. Its real easy to cover a mile before the dogs are ever turned out.

I've done it. Its a kick in the pants. I'll let dog hunters in on my place if I know them BUT, here's the kicker........DON'T LEAVE MY GATES OPEN and don't tear up my grass driving all over the place at 50-60 mph then slamming on the brakes or trying to turn too fast. And if I catch you in there and tell you to leave, don't give me a bunch of attitude and act like its some kind of God given right for you to be on my place, it ain't.
 
WOW, as many people following these dog thread know, I've been vigorously defending hound hunters and anybody who wants to take game legally in any manner they choose. But, take a close look at this quote from above:

>>"We run them with dogs here in PA and killed 94 last season. Here is a picture of a few kills and a few of my hunting buddies. Dogs will always be crossing posted property....which is perfectly legal because if the dog is on trail he is under controll. Last time I checked our dogs still couldnt read..........."
 
Originally posted by Rick-Mi:
[qb] WOW, as many people following these dog thread know, I've been vigorously defending hound hunters and anybody who wants to take game legally in any manner they choose. But, take a close look at this quote from above:

>>"We run them with dogs here in PA and killed 94 last season. Here is a picture of a few kills and a few of my hunting buddies. Dogs will always be crossing posted property....which is perfectly legal because if the dog is on trail he is under controll. Last time I checked our dogs still couldnt read..........."
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A friend of mine called me this morning and invited me to go with him and the guy's runnin dogs, and he said they already got one and its only 9am. I politly said no and thanked him for the invitation. I'll be scouting all day for new spots to call for tonight.
 
Maybe its done differently in other places, but here in the wide open flats of eastern NM the dog hunters will drive wherever think they can get away with it until they see a coyote, but even then its not a foot race between dog and coyote. The driver pretty much sticks his foot on the floor, chasing the coyote hoping he can slow down before he hits a road, cow trail, washout, etc and the navigator watches the coyote telling the driver to steer right or left. Only when the coyote is practically run over by the pick-up, or crosses a fence and there is no gate handy for the truck to get thru will the dogs be turned out. Its real easy to cover a mile before the dogs are ever turned out.
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That's REAL sport alright, the public likes REAL sports.. thats why your hunting rights get banded...Then you cry about it, wake up, some "hunters" are "SLOBS". Why do lawful hunters persist in supporting their actions...It hurts all hunters in the long run.
 
I guess we could start a thread about the haves and have nots as well. Two miles from my property, there is a hunt club that grows 250 acres of corn each year, then floods it just before duck season. If you have $5000.00 expendable cash, you can be hauled in, sit in a pit blind and shoot ducks. My pityful little pot hole, with a dozen decoys can not contend with the 500 or so put out by the club, but should they not be able to do that, because I sit and watch nearly every flight pitch in to their spread?
Hound hunters cross my property at night running coons, and any one who will wade that swamp is not being lazy, that is a for sure thing. It is just a different type of hunting. It is a time honored tradition here in West TN.
Some would take umbridge to the fact that I deer hunt from trees stands positioned on travel routes to feed plots, not sporting, akin to baiting. However, I am pretty sure that I know my place better than most folks know where they hunt. I have walked those 150 acres my whole life, bought it from my grandfather. Took my first squirrel, deer, and duck on this same piece of ground. I have planted 200 Sawtooth oaks, 50 chestnut trees, every fence row is seeded to honeysuckle, and I have four different food plot areas. I have numerous mineral licks that I keep freshened. I have tons of time and money buried in that ground, and I do not want any one telling me how or what to hunt there. The state opened a refuge just down the road, and as the throngs drive by, they see the deer standing in the pea patches during the fall, and I spend more time running them off my place than I do hunting any more.
Outside trespass problems, (and this is not religated purely to hound hunters, as evidenced by the number of deer hunters that I have to escort of my property each year) I have no beef with the hound men. Personally, all the coon hunters around home know that they can hunt my place, keep the gates shut, do not rut up my fields with 4 wheel drives. I see the evidence of who is in and out, and if it gets to be a problem the guys will help me keep the trash out, as it would limit their ability to use my place. As hunters, we had better watch each others back instead of bitching and fighting about different methods, or all our grandkids will see is faded pictures of our way of life.
 
Originally posted by M7722250:
That's REAL sport alright, the public likes REAL sports.. thats why your hunting rights get banded...Then you cry about it, wake up, some "hunters" are "SLOBS". Why do lawful hunters persist in supporting their actions...It hurts all hunters in the long run. [/QB]
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I think you have them confused.Noboby here is condoning slob hunters,just defending lawful hunting and a persons right to do so,even if you dont like the legal methods used by others.There is a big difference.
 
:rolleyes:

get the ear plugs out.

IT just so happens Yesterday I was a " good kind of hunter " Today it apears I am a waste of skin. Yep, Went out this morning with a friend and his group coyote hunting and took DOGS with us, oh the humanity. Worst part was that we started looking at 6:30 this morning and quit at 2:30 with out getting one. Just like the fish in the barrel. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I thought it would be no fun and not very sporting, I tried it and now I know that I was WRONG. They had permission to 95% of the block, Let the dogs go when conditions were correct. IT turns out we had people tracking, w/o dogs for 60% of the day. If we were near property that we did not have permission, no dogs. Getting close to a Cty. highway, no dogs.
Don't blame the sport, blame the individual.

Sarcasim mode-
I hear any rifle caliber designed after 1890 is unsporting, a 30-30 way to advanced. Coundpound bows are an unfair advantage. Who would ever need an AR-15 for hunting, if you go to the firearms section of THIS VERY websight every other thread is on AR's. And to think of a .357 magnum for shooting pistol, whats wrong with .45 RUSSIAN.
One more, there is a thread posted near this one that deals with using a light at night for coyotes in my Home state, why would anyone need such a thing. -Sarcasim but trying to prove a point mode off.

Alright I'm ready, yell away. Did I mention that I am trying to call yotes but don't have a lot of time, but still trying...........

Tony
 
There was a coyote tournament in my area two weeks ago. A calling contest.No dogs allowed. Conditions were bad no snow and cold. Only 6 coyotes taken. 6 tickets were written out by the DNR for voliations of the law. And no I didn't enter the contest. The week before there was another contest with dogs. No tickets were written out.
 
Thats what I'm talking about J.Holly!!! I agree totally. It is about the same here in Indiana. People should not use the "dogs can't read" line to hunt on posted land, because the people running those dogs can. If the land is POSTED, STAY OUT!!!!!
 
You should be in wisconsin during the gun deer season,you'd be fit to be tied,hunters trespass all the time and tickets get wrote,just like with any other sport,fishing,trapping,hunting they all have a few in there ranks,and some deer hunters here dont get that private property is private.So should we ban deer hunting or any of the other sports.I just dont like the attack the sport because of a few attitude.Maybe you should push for stiffer fines and have the dogs in such instances put down if the owner is convicted.The dog guys around here have big money stuck in there dogs,and wouldnt want to lose one over a citation.But then again the ones I know here are quite law abiding,and the ones that aint dont last long,they get turned in.Suprised cat hunters with dogs wasnt mentioned.We have alot of that here too.
 
Who said anything about banning any kind of hunting? Just hunt where you are suppost to, if your dog gets on posted land, GO ASK THE LAND OWNER. Thats all I ask for.
 
Originally posted by rem222:
[qb] Who said anything about banning any kind of hunting? Just hunt where you are suppost to, if your dog gets on posted land, GO ASK THE LAND OWNER. Thats all I ask for. [/qb]
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It's the underlying tone in this thread,the way some are hacking on dog hunters,when the fact is it's in every aspect of the blood sports.Maybe this thread should be titled slob hunters and and what to do about.But it's not,it's about hound hunters messing up there calling,and lumping all hound hunters in the same boat as the slob hunters.This horse has been beat enough.
 
I've been following this thread for a few days now and its time to add some input.

I don't think anyone is really saying that they want to ban hunting with dogs. The "underlying tone" that I get from this thread and from other threads on this board, is that SOME dog hunters disobey the law and flaunt it with statements like:

1) My dog can't read therefore I'm not tresspassing.

2) If my dog is on a trail, then its legal wherever he goes.

Come on guys, get your head out of your rectal devices, tresspassing is tresspassing no matter how its done. Do other hunters tresspass, damn straight they do, but they have no excuses. It just seems to me that dog hunters use the dog as an excuse to tresspass, because the dog can't read. That is the crux of the problem.

Lets face it, if your on someone elses property and you don't have permission, YOUR TRESSPASSING!!!!! It doesn't matter how you got there. Hell, you can fall out of an airplane onto someone's property and its STILL TRESSPASSING!!!!! Look it up in the law books!

Are there bad hunters in all walks, yes! However, its only the dog hunters that I see and read about that try and justify breaking the law by the excuse of "my dog can't read".

Enough of the BULL SH#T Excuses already, keep your dogs on property that you have permission and all will be well. If you can't do that, then your dogs are NOT UNDER CONTROL and are also violating leash laws in several states, that simply say that if a dog is not on a leash it must be demonstrated to be under some other type of control, be it voice, electrical or other.
 
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH guys everyone take a pill and a deep breath. everyone likes different things. I myself really don't like using sight hounds but if your not doing on my land or the stuff i have permission to call then i don't really care if thats your choice of harvesting coyotes!!!!!!
 
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