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#387152 - 02/24/06 12:08 AM Re: Update! Pittbull Question [Re: RezDoggin]
MoparFreek Offline
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Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 12
Loc: Ohio
RezDoggin, this wont really work in your situation, but it worked for me last summer. I have a neighbor who we are pretty sure raises Pit's as fighting dogs. They have a treadmill that they run the dogs on and harnesses that they attach weight to and have the dogs pull it around their property etc..
In any case, last summer one of my two English Mastiff's was out in the back yard doing his business when I heard a commotion. I went out to find that one of the neighbor's Pit's had gotten out of his yard and came into my yard, I assume to attack my dog, well my dog had the Pit by the throat shaking it like a rag doll and the first thing I thought of was to grab the garden hose. I forced the spray nozzel into the side of my dogs mouth and let her rip. After about 3 or 4 seconds my dog let go and I quickly put him in the garage. I called the neighbor and told him what was going on, he came over and carry his dog home, who was still lying on the ground bleeding.He was not very thankful, which kind of ticked me off, so I told him the next time I would just let my boy finish the job.

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#387153 - 02/24/06 02:22 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: RezDoggin]
rjh Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 01/24/06
Posts: 527
Loc: hobart ind.
What you should do is lift the back legs of the dogs up so they are higher than the head the dog will lose jaw bite presure.I have a Johnson american bulldog and a bullmastiff. I know for a fact that this works. But you should do this to your dog and the other owner do it to their dog. Don't do this to the other dog if you don't it well . You can also carry a breal stick to break the bite of the pit.But this is what I would do......PEPPER SPRAY

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#387154 - 02/24/06 03:12 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: rjh]
cougerbait Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 08/09/02
Posts: 1259
Loc: NORTH CAROLINA
RezDoggin,
So what is the update.

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#387155 - 02/24/06 06:03 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: cougerbait]
RezDoggin Offline
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Registered: 12/29/05
Posts: 616
Loc: Northern New Mex
Well fellas,
So far no more dog or lady. I guess she figured it's not worth the trouble. I havent been up there since the start of this vr hunt started Feb 11th. I been out hiking to one Yotin spot a night. Did good the first week now it's gotten slow ,at it again tonight though.

MoparF,
that would of bugged me too! The neighbor should of be thankful he had a dog left to carry home by the sounds of it.

rjh,
I hope I dont have another encounter like that again. I'm gonna have to get out there soon as this hunts over so we'll see what happens. I gotta take my dogs out cuzz their gettin a little fat.
Does the pepper spray really work?
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#387156 - 02/24/06 08:28 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: RezDoggin]
daveyboy Offline
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Registered: 07/27/03
Posts: 959
Loc: phx,az
Pepper spray on a pitbull.Hmm,I can only tell you my experience with that.I have on hand several cans of bear spray,Large 9 oz cans.I hear a commotion outside and see a large pit trying to chew threw the chainlink fence to get at my neighbors lab.I go outside with my bear spray and about that time the pit had went to the other side of the house and the lab jumped the fence and ran over to me.I hold onto the lab and the pit sees him and here he comes.Did I mention he was a really big headed pig.Well he gets about 8 feet from me and I blast him right in the face.That did a lot of good,here comes the sob for another faceful.He did that 2 more times and his head was orange from the spray.I run the lab into my house and I guess the pits owner heard the commotion,cuz when I came back outside with my 357 the pit was gone.So I mosey up the street and tell him what just happened and the guys coughing and eyes tearing up from the spray and I tell him next time that happens there ain't gonna be no spray but 158 gr hp in that dogs brain.He surprised me and apologized and thanked me for not killing his dog and said it would never happen again.And it hasn't.When I called animal control and they came out and took a report(covering myself also in case I had to kill that beast in the future)the guy kind of laughed when I told him about emptying my bear spray on that pit.He told me that pits were not that affected by pepper spray and he said that the attack would've continued if I wouldn't have put the lab in the house.They are a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands of a careless owner.Protect your dog and yourself.take care,daveyboy.

P.s.Sorry for the long story but I think you need to know from someone who has experienced using pepper spray on a pitbull.
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#387157 - 02/24/06 10:05 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: Eddiemats]
pangborn83 Offline
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Registered: 05/19/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Western NY
Don't usually post much on this site. I am mainly just a reader that has been here for awhile, but I have a pit and just felt the need to chime in. The only dog that I have ever been bitten by was a cocker spanial that bit me in the lower leg from behind while I was delivering news pappers as a pre teen he didn't even break skin. On one site that I found while considering what breed I would find a good match for me had statistics that said smaller dogs were much more likely to bite then a larger breed (probally a little bias since it was pro pitt bull) but made a good point it is much more likely to be made more public and brought to more attention when an animal severly injurres a child or another animal and lets face it larger dogs have a bigger bite for the majority not saying that is the only reason for a bad rap as was stated owners have a large part to do with that. MoparFreek there is actually some organized competitions for dogs where they attach weights to spechial pulling harnesses for there animal to see how much a particular animal is capable of not saying that your neighbor is doing this or not but then again guess you'd have to ask him why in the world he was doing this with his animals to find out even, then again you may still not know for sure here is a link to one site http://www.apbtconformation.com/weight_pulling.htm I know it sounds strange but some think we all are wackos shooting wood chucks yotes etc. Sorry it is so long, James

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#387158 - 02/25/06 01:03 AM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: pangborn83]
MoparFreek Offline
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Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 12
Loc: Ohio
pangborn83, Thats what I thought too when they first moved in, that they were into weight pulling, but I have yet to see a cart or sled. It looks to me like they are training for endurance and not strength nessecerily. I never see them harnessed to anything larger than what looks to be a single 45lb plate, we are next door neighbors, but our houses are about 150 yards apart, so I am not for sure on the exact weight.
Also when they first bought the place I had went over a couple times to welcome them etc... and we got on the subject of dogs, as I saw his pit's and was asking about them and he proceeded to tell me (while never admitting to participating himself) how his dogs were out of some great fighting dogs and so on.. In any case he quickly found out that his 40 or 50lb pit had no answer for a 217lb mastiff..

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#387159 - 02/25/06 07:40 AM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: MoparFreek]
pangborn83 Offline
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Registered: 05/19/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Western NY
That sucks I hate when people abbuse their animals with envolvement of such poor activities. Have to agree a pit vs a mastiff would put the pitt on the looseing end of the deal. I always wanted a mastiff but thought it would be rather hard for the wife to handle while I was driving and all so that did not happen I also live in the city currently so it would be unfair to them to be cooped up in such tight confines I know my pitt loves tearing around the house and his walks. Well thought I'd have to mention it as I had seen it and thought maybe. James

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#387160 - 02/25/06 10:33 AM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: MoparFreek]
Cougardaville Offline
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Registered: 04/02/05
Posts: 71
Loc: Albany county, New York
MoparFreek....not really none of my business, BUT if you suspect they are training fighting dogs, an onominious phone call to authorities would be a good suggestion. Your dogs made out okay, other dogs or "kids" may not?? Pit bull or any dog breed fighting is a sick sport! Once they are trained to fight, their lives are ruined, not ever going to be a trusted dog!!
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#387161 - 02/25/06 01:13 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: Cougardaville]
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#387162 - 02/27/06 04:21 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: 6mm06]
rjh Offline
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Registered: 01/24/06
Posts: 527
Loc: hobart ind.
Pit vs. mastiff? With some breeds it depends more on the dog than the breed. But more so then not a pit will probably win in a dog fight. That is what they were breed for. Most mastiffs where breed to guard and protect. But it really depends on the dog. My johnson american bulldog got in a tussle with my friends pit and I had to get a break stick to get my dogs jaws off my friends pitbulls neck. So it is not written in stone but I would never think a big dog is going to win because of size. A 45 pound pit could kill my 120 pound bull mastiff because she is not bred to fight other dogs. So size really doesn't have alot to do with it. It's all about "gameness".Good website for dog breeds www.moloss.com. And the pepper spray is not a bad place to start if you can't carry handguns in public like here in chicago. It is better than nothing. But once again it really depends on how committed the dog is so no it will not work in all circumstances. In any case the pit should be on a leash especially if it can be agressive and the bottom line is it's the owners fault for letting the situation happen.

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#387163 - 02/27/06 06:21 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: rjh]
RezDoggin Offline
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Registered: 12/29/05
Posts: 616
Loc: Northern New Mex
rjh,
I think if your gonna be in a public area where there are kids and posibbly other animals you should have your dog on a leash even if it is trained or not. It's just better for everybody. You dont offend anyone and no one gets afraid to be in that area for fear that the dog might be off leash.
I know my wife wont be comfortable to go up there for awhile. She'll be skiddish the whole way,not really enjoying the hike at least for the first week or so.

The bad thing about it is this is actually the second encounter dealing with a pit on the same trail. the last time We were without our dogs and ran into a guy that had two on a leash that were just going crazy. I thouhgt they were gonna get loose!
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#387164 - 02/27/06 10:00 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: RezDoggin]
MoparFreek Offline
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Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 12
Loc: Ohio
Cougardaville, I hear what you are saying and I have been thinking of doing just that...

rjh.. While I agree a seasoned "fighting" pit would likely come out on top of a larger,say house dog, I disagree with the thought that size plays no role at all.It is really the same as the old boxing adage "a good big man will always beat a good small man"
While I was in Japan (where dog fighting is huge)I befriended a couple locals who were involved in dog fighting. Through the course of our conversations I found that the preferred dog there was a Japanese Tosa, which is a Mastiff type dog, and that pit bulls are really considered a joke. In fact as I recall they actually laughed when I posed the question of how a pit would stand up to the tosa. They said every so often someone will show up with one and the result is always the same, easy money..Dont be fooled,the mastiff was not always as lovable and docile as they are now either and will revert to type when pushed to do so, as I was witness to....

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#387165 - 02/28/06 12:09 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: MoparFreek]
rjh Offline
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Registered: 01/24/06
Posts: 527
Loc: hobart ind.
A tosa which looks like a mastiff and has been bred to bring out the gameness that most mastiffs don't have another factor is that a pit can fight for a long period when most other dogs will tire out. My bullmastiff will get mean when pushed and have no doubt she is very effective (as I have seen).But I would never think she would come out on with a pit unless she got a lucky bite. But this is all really opinion and I hate to see dogs fight as that usaually hits me in the pocket book. My vet likes to see me walk in the door as I have three dogs.by the way another dog that will give a pit a good fight is the Bully Kutta.I also heard that they are fight caucasian mountain dogs in russia."It's not the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog."Good dog discussion on a hunting board.By the way these my opinions and i'm not trying to be a Smart A**.

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#387166 - 02/28/06 12:16 PM Re: Pittbull Question [Re: rjh]
rjh Offline
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Registered: 01/24/06
Posts: 527
Loc: hobart ind.
I really ment the owners of the aggressive dog should make sure there dog is on a leash. I will not take my bulldog out without a leash and carry a muzzell in case of other dogs being present. So the owner of the pit should know the breed and take precautions just as I do.Thanks

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