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#3292685 - 01/28/22 04:44 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
alf Offline
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Registered: 03/25/07
Posts: 1578
Loc: SW Wisconsin

You better get a hold of JBM and tell 'em they're FOS....



39 Sierra @ 4300
Range Drop Windage Velocity

500 - -24.2 -20.9 -2431
600 - -42.2 -31.7 -2139
700 - -67.8 -45.9 -1867
800 - -103.5 -64.0 -1620
900 - -152.6 -86.7 -1403
1000- -219.3 -114.8 -1224

80 Sierra @ 3500
500 - -32.1 -15.2 -2436
600 - -52.9 -22.6 -2251
700 - -80.5 -32.0 -2075
800 - -116.3 -43.4 -1906
900 - -161.6 -57.3 -1747
1000- -218.3 -73.8 -1598

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#3292686 - 01/28/22 04:49 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
204 AR Offline
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Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 5876
Loc: Nebraska
Some of what you're seeing could be a case of not enough twist, say in the instance of an 80 gr .224 (didn't mention what bullet or what it's bc is, which is important), if it starts to lose stabilization at longer ranges. A barely stabilized bullet will get picked apart by wind, just like a quarterback not throwing tight spirals will have a tougher time in the wind than one that does. I didn't run the numbers on this last comparison so I don't know how it should turn out.

I don't know how to explain what you're seeing out there, because my experience, and anything I've ever read about (up till today lol) is exactly opposite. Thus the reason long sleek bullets and faster twists are all the rage, so people can get predictable results at extended range.

At any rate, agreeing to disagree is probably the best outcome here, talking to a wall is a good analogy.

Are you in the southern hemisphere by any chance? I heard things spin backwards down there lol lol
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#3292688 - 01/28/22 04:59 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Austin Laughlin]
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Registered: 12/07/11
Posts: 2600
Loc: Pacific NW
Originally Posted By: Austin Laughlin
My uncles first load he made up for that 20BR, was a 39gr Sierra. 43 or 4400fps.

It drifted less that 5Ē at 500 yards.

Youíre saying an 80gr at 3500, does less.

And Iím telling you without a doubt, thatís not the case. At all. Iíve seen it. So have tons of others. Itís like ďhow in the heck does it do thatĒ. But it does it.

I feel like Iím talking to a wall.

What Iím saying is this..

If he takes his 20BR and holds dead center of a target with a 5-10pm cross wind at 400. You take a 80gr at 3500 and do the same, and youíll see that Iím right lol

Yíall can have your opinions. Thatís great. Iím not saying at all that itís ďdumbĒ or any of that. Whatsoever. Iíll agree to disagree because this is going nowhere lol

Again, are you talking about bullet drop or bullet drift because they are entirely two different things.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful but your claims are ridiculous without specifics to support them and I'm still not sure if you're talking about drift as in left to right or drop as in up or down.

If you're talking about wind drift and your uncles 4300fps 39gr BK only drifting 5 inches at 500 yards we need to know wind speed and its angle because even in a half value 5 mph wind, which by the way isn't much and one not often found in PD fields, DRIFT is going to be over 7 inches with that 39gr BK and with a 3500fps 80gr ELDM in identical conditions DRIFT is only 5 inches.


Edited by B23 (01/28/22 05:20 PM)

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#3292690 - 01/28/22 05:07 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: 204 AR]
B23 Offline
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Registered: 12/07/11
Posts: 2600
Loc: Pacific NW
The biggest variable is going to be hold/point of aim. Even the slightest difference in hold or POA on a PD at 500 yards can screw the end result significantly.

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#3292693 - 01/28/22 05:18 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: B23]
204 AR Offline
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Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 5876
Loc: Nebraska
At least we have a lively thread on here for once, even if we did hijack the op's thread to do it.

Sorry op!
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#3292696 - 01/28/22 05:39 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: 204 AR]
alf Offline
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Registered: 03/25/07
Posts: 1578
Loc: SW Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: 204 AR
At least we have a lively thread on here for once, even if we did hijack the op's thread to do it.

It's all his fault anyway....ha ha....

He never did say what it's use would be for, so we're left to our own imagination.

It's like asking "I wanna buy a truck, what should I get?"

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#3292702 - 01/28/22 06:59 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 15535
Loc: okla
He hasn't been back since his first couple of posts....so carry on. This is more interesting anyway.
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#3292743 - 01/28/22 11:12 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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Registered: 01/31/14
Posts: 5771
Loc: stuck in a fence
Ya'll need to pull your tally whackers out, take pics and send em to the moderator of this forum. he can decide who is correct. lol
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#3292813 - 01/29/22 03:33 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: pyscodog]
Tim Neitzke Offline
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Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 15981
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: pyscodog
He hasn't been back since his first couple of posts....so carry on. This is more interesting anyway.


You are welcome ! grin
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#3292814 - 01/29/22 03:37 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
Tim Neitzke Offline
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Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 15981
Loc: Michigan
Slick...
No need for that I'm pretty sure what side of the wall is right.

Funny idea though. lol

Btw, My hunting partner killed a coyote this morning with that #4 buck I bought from you ! I was tracking he was shooting.
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#3292849 - 01/29/22 07:52 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Tim Neitzke]
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Registered: 01/31/14
Posts: 5771
Loc: stuck in a fence
Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke


Btw, My hunting partner killed a coyote this morning with that #4 buck I bought from you ! I was tracking he was shooting.


tell partner i said good job. smile
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