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#3292446 - 01/26/22 08:04 PM 22-250, 204 or something else?
Rex Nutria Offline
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I have been thinking of getting a high velocity 20 caliber round such as 22-250 or 204 Ruger, just because I have not tried any of these type of cartridges. As a reloader, I have worked up 30 caliber rounds, like 300 Savage and 30-06 for my deer rifles and a lot of pistol cartridges, so when components are available, I could reload for them. But what should I consider with 22-250 vs. 204? Or should I go with something else, such as .223. But I do like the idea of shooting something around 4k fps. For a minute I thought about maybe a 17 Hornet, but not really sure about those 17s.
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#3292447 - 01/26/22 08:09 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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Depends on how far you're wanting to shoot. If not over 300 yards I'd get a .223 but I'd choose a 22-250 or a .243 over a .204. Also depends on if you're saving fur. If you're not I'd choose the .243 over the 22-250 for the simple fact that you can shoot heavier bullets or if you choose you can shoot light 58 grain bullets that are zippin out of there pretty dang fast.


Edited by OKRattler (01/26/22 08:12 PM)
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#3292449 - 01/26/22 08:34 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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Registered: 01/04/15
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Of the ones you listed, 223 would be my last choice. But itís like vanilla, its nothing real special, but works most of the time. 17 hornet would probably be best for fox, worst for wind. All depends on what you want to do with it. 204 is pretty wicked. 22-250 has been long proven. Canít go wrong with any of them really.
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#3292452 - 01/26/22 08:53 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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Registered: 12/07/11
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Components will favor a 223 the most 22-250 second, and 204 last. Finding loaded ammo the ranking will be the same.

As to which one you should get, a good argument could be made with regard to all three. Most economical 223, most versatile and will achieve your 4K fps with a wider variety of bullets would be the 22-250 and the 204 Ruger kind of fills the gaps the others don't.

Unless you plan to have one built in the market we're currently in I'd say get whichever one you can get first as well as ammo/components to feed it with.

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#3292453 - 01/26/22 08:59 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
Austin Laughlin Offline
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Registered: 02/08/20
Posts: 127
Loc: Missouri
If I had to choose, prolly the 204. As much as I absolutely love the 223 round, especially Improved.. The 204 has Less wind drift. Great B.C. Stupid flat, and wild fast.

My first calling rifle was a 223. Iíve still got it. Itís Ackley Improved, and it really makes the 223 shine. People can dog it all they want too, but my AI with 53gr Hornadys has bang-flopped-dead more coyotes than any of my other rifles put together. Iíve killed them at 20 and Iíve killed them at 505, DRT. I always said if I only had to have one, itíd be my 223 AI.. ButÖ

The 204 does the same thing, just that much better. If you want to save fur, and really knock the snot out of one, itíll do both. Fast, Flat, and Accurate.. And the 204 is all 3!


Edited by Austin Laughlin (01/26/22 09:01 PM)
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#3292461 - 01/26/22 09:44 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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I have thought of getting a Winchester Featherweight in 22-250, just really like the look of that light weight rifle. A .243 is also interesting, but that is a larger case, and I was thinking of a round that would use less powder. I am in the suburbs outside Baltimore, so we have plenty of varmints, if you know what I mean. But not much space to cut loose with a centerfire rifle!
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#3292466 - 01/26/22 10:15 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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Registered: 12/22/13
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Loc: so.mn
Real world all the cartridges you mentioned will have to be loaded with light for cartridge bullets to hit 4k velocities(especially in sporter/hunting length barrels). The 204 will be easiest to see hits with, 223 cheapest to feed, 22-250 most muscle(highest maintenance cost, shortest barrel life).

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#3292470 - 01/26/22 11:10 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: B23]
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Originally Posted By: B23
Components will favor a 223 the most 22-250 second, and 204 last. Finding loaded ammo the ranking will be the same.

As to which one you should get, a good argument could be made with regard to all three. Most economical 223, most versatile and will achieve your 4K fps with a wider variety of bullets would be the 22-250 and the 204 Ruger kind of fills the gaps the others don't.

Unless you plan to have one built in the market we're currently in I'd say get whichever one you can get first as well as ammo/components to feed it with.




This probably makes the most sense.
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#3292477 - 01/27/22 12:26 AM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
OKRattler Offline
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Registered: 02/17/08
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Loc: Ok Panhandle
Originally Posted By: Rex Nutria
I have thought of getting a Winchester Featherweight in 22-250, just really like the look of that light weight rifle. A .243 is also interesting, but that is a larger case, and I was thinking of a round that would use less powder. I am in the suburbs outside Baltimore, so we have plenty of varmints, if you know what I mean. But not much space to cut loose with a centerfire rifle!


My choice would be based off of what I call in most where I hunt. Foxes,bobcats or coyotes and how much damage I want to do to them. How far I'm shooting,day or night calling,etc.

If I was calling in mostly foxes with the occasional coyote or bobcat thrown in there I'd most likely choose a .17 of some sort. Which one would depend on the distance I shoot most often. If I wasn't worried about saving fur I'd bump it up to a .223 if I wasn't shooting long distances.

If I was primarily huntin at night I'd choose a .224Valkyrie for saving fur, 6mm ARC if I wasn't and it'd be in an AR platform because of lower recoil and quick follow up shots especially if I was primarily calling in foxes. Not only that but they're both known to be flat shooting cartridges which is helpful at night. Especially hunting with a light because distance can be deceiving under those conditions.


Edited by OKRattler (01/27/22 12:27 AM)
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#3292489 - 01/27/22 08:24 AM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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Registered: 01/25/14
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Loc: eastern Kansas
You have gotten a lot of good advice but the best was to get what you could find. Bolt action market is tough right now.
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#3292505 - 01/27/22 11:45 AM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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Strange to me, but when it comes to killing coyotes a 223 doesn't get the job done. This has been argued a million + times. I'd be willing to bet that there have been more coyotes killed with a 223 than any cartridge on the planet.

But of the three choices and I could only pick one. It would probably be the 22-250. With the right twist barrel you can get speed, distance and moderate barrel life. It might cost a little more to reload because it uses more powder. Ackley Improve it and get a boost in velocity and longer brass life but it will shorten the barrel life a little. In the long run, its not so much what caliber and bullet you use as where you put the bullet. Bullet placement is what matters the most.

Before I hit the submit button I scrolled back up and read the OP's second post where he says he lives in the suburbs and not much room to cut loose with a center fire. If that's the case, get a 12 gauge shotgun.
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#3292514 - 01/27/22 01:41 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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Registered: 06/12/03
Posts: 1600
Loc: Indiana
I think in a 20 caliber, I'd have to choose a .22-250 over a .204, or a .223. I think you can find ammo and components a bit easier for the .22-250, and it is a much better coyote killer than a .223.
I've been calling coyotes for about the past twenty five years, and have used rifles in .22-250, 223, and .243 Winchester, as well as a 6.8 SPC AR. Of all of them, I found the .243 Winchester to be the best pure coyote killer of them all. With that said, I think the .22-250 stands right there beside it. Compared to a .223, the two of them are head and shoulders above. I think the 6.8 SPC at under 150 yards is also a great coyote killer, if you want to use an AR platform carbine, it's nearly perfect.
Trouble is the .223 is a much better choice if your going to be encountering fox or bob cats, which I seldom do. Also the .223 in an AR is just too convenient and all around fine. As much as I like my .243's, .22-250's and my 6.8, I seem to gravitate back to those 5.56 AR's. It's so nice having a handy carbine, that the snow, or the rain has zero effect on. If I drop it in the mud, so what. They're just a natural born hunting tool. And if a fox comes along it won't cut it into two pieces. Also having a lifetime supply of brass for the 5.56 is a good thing. When I lose a case in the weeds I don't find myself rooting around in the grass looking for it.
Now.. Just last week I got a reminder of both shortcomings of using a 5.56 AR platform carbine for hunting coyotes. Fist was I'd set up along the edge of a gravel pit to try calling a coyote out of the brushy edge. Off to my left was an open 200 acre cornfield. After setting my Foxpro in the stalks and getting sat down against a tree, I see a black spot moving in the cornfield about 600 yards out. I crank my 3.5 - 10 scope up and see its a coyote standing out in the stalks. My .22-250, or one of my .243's whould have been a much better rifle to have along than the AR. I didn't even take a poke at that coyote. Just watched him walk over the ridge out there. A few days later I was set up in a fencerow calling to a wood lot 200 yards across a bean stubble field. I was watching upwind toward the woods when I noticed a coyote had somehow trotted in to my left, and was standing in the open field at about 120 yards. I sent a 55 grain HP into her shoulder that just put her in a spin. I sent out a second shot that took her front legs out from under her. Now she's down in the front and lets out a long howl. I send another 55 grainer up her backside and put her on the ground, and shut her up. I let her lay there while I call another ten minutes or so. When I walk up to her she growls and barks at me when I'm about ten feet away. I had to use my finish pistol on her. I only seem to have this happen when I'm shooting a .223. If I hit them in the shoulder it just won't penetrate like a .22-250 or a .243, or 6.8 for that matter. A .22-250 using the exact same bullet just has the energy to drive that bullet right on into a coyotes shoulder, where the .223 will stop, and put the coyote in a spin. If you can only have one.. Get yourself a .22-250.

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#3292516 - 01/27/22 01:49 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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Registered: 10/13/09
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The 22-250 has been a proven coyote killer for years. The .243 is a better all-around cartridge for deer and bigger game. There are tons of bullets in the .224 and .243 but I just never found one that I fell in love with on the 6mm/243 that was fur friendly along with DRTs. I have always had good luck with Berger Target Match bullets. After temporarily shelving, the 22-250 for some other wildcat cartridges, I came back to it about 4 years ago. I now have a bolt chambered in 22-250 and an AR10 in 22-250. I have lots of other coyote calibers and have used .17 Rem,.204, .223 and many more, but in the end, to me the 22-250 will always be king for coyotes. Yes, the .223 is much cheaper to reload but I would rather have more range, better knock-down, and recover more coyotes than save a little on ammo. I know fur prices are down this year, but it is still good to have a gun that doesn't tear a coyote apart for when you want to save some pelts or later when prices rebound.
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#3292520 - 01/27/22 02:10 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: Rex Nutria]
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I would like to try a 22-250 some time. But comparing velocity, it should only gain maybe 100 yds on a 223? I guess with equal barrel length. So my question is how is 223 weak at 120 yds, but 22-250 with the same bullet a killer at 350? FYI 243 is my current favorite but I don't kill near the numbers you guys do.


Edited by 204 AR (01/27/22 07:25 PM)
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#3292535 - 01/27/22 04:39 PM Re: 22-250, 204 or something else? [Re: 204 AR]
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Registered: 06/12/03
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204 I think in my case it's the difference in the .223 from a 16" barrel at 3050 FPS, vs the .22-250 at 3550 FPS from the 22" barrel of my Remington 700. Five hundred FPS is enough to make for a very notable difference in the final outcome. I load both cartridges with 55 grain Sierra Game King HP's. I don't load my AR's as hot as bolt action loading data allows for a bolt rifle. I also don't load my .22-250 ammo to maximum velocity either. Other's MMV..

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