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#3291871 - 01/22/22 07:46 AM E collar question
docjon2013 Offline
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Registered: 08/19/13
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Hello guys,
I am picking up a pup I am wanting to train for coyote decoying next weekend and have a question about e collars. Do you need GPS for it? Also, what brand? I have been told to get Garmin and Dogtra.
Thanks for the help.

Jon
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#3291874 - 01/22/22 09:07 AM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
Stugotz Offline
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Loc: Minnesota, USA
I don't GPS is a necessity, I think you would only really need this if you were hunting in a very dense foliage with limited sight lanes.
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#3292931 - 01/30/22 03:45 PM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
SHampton Offline
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Registered: 04/28/11
Posts: 1778
Loc: BAOklahoma
Iím going to respectfully disagree with Stugotz, although I would not invest a lot of money in a gps system before you know if your dog will cut it. How old is the dog your getting?

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#3292940 - 01/30/22 05:36 PM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
docjon2013 Offline
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Just got him today. He will be 2 months old the first.

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Jon
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#3293242 - 02/02/22 10:24 PM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
SHampton Offline
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You arenít going to take him this spring are you?

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#3293243 - 02/02/22 10:26 PM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
docjon2013 Offline
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No, I will wait till he is older.
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#3293254 - 02/03/22 01:04 AM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
SHampton Offline
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What part of Oklahoma are you in?

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#3293258 - 02/03/22 08:23 AM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
docjon2013 Offline
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I'm in Hennessey, straight east of Stillwater on 51 about 45 minutes.

Jon
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#3294101 - 02/12/22 10:56 PM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
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Get a good handle on your dog before you spend a ton of money on a collar system. You want a dog that will handle on or off the dog collar. You want your dog to recall at a whistle or a sound, not just a tone or vibration...
I used a coyote hide and drug it around for my pups to get used to before we went "live".
Good luck man....make it fun and keep it short in the beginning, end on a high note.
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#3294200 - 02/14/22 08:34 AM Re: E collar question [Re: gonzaga]
docjon2013 Offline
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Originally Posted By: gonzaga
Get a good handle on your dog before you spend a ton of money on a collar system. You want a dog that will handle on or off the dog collar. You want your dog to recall at a whistle or a sound, not just a tone or vibration...
I used a coyote hide and drug it around for my pups to get used to before we went "live".
Good luck man....make it fun and keep it short in the beginning, end on a high note.


Thanks thatís great advice. I will do that.


Thanks
Jon
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#3294227 - 02/14/22 04:22 PM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
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A good obedience course will give you the basics as far as recalls, stays and heeling
all things that will make your dog a great dog, having your dog in control through farm yards and pastures really impressed the farmer/rancher. Then you can work on reinforcing at distance outside the training facility. I trained bird dogs and was a judge at performance tests. A trained dog will respond to lips on a whistle, if you have to raise your voice it isn't trained. Dogs know how to hunt training teaches them to hunt for you and builds a bond with your.

If you get a collar learn how to train with it, not punish with it.
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#3294249 - 02/14/22 08:14 PM Re: E collar question [Re: AWS]
docjon2013 Offline
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Originally Posted By: AWS
A good obedience course will give you the basics as far as recalls, stays and heeling
all things that will make your dog a great dog, having your dog in control through farm yards and pastures really impressed the farmer/rancher. Then you can work on reinforcing at distance outside the training facility. I trained bird dogs and was a judge at performance tests. A trained dog will respond to lips on a whistle, if you have to raise your voice it isn't trained. Dogs know how to hunt training teaches them to hunt for you and builds a bond with your.

If you get a collar learn how to train with it, not punish with it.


I am working with him now on just sit,heels and stay. He has the heel and sit down pretty weil so far. I am just using my voice now and am getting ready to introduce the whistle here next month. He will only be 3 months on March 1 so I am not trying to do to much for now. I will get him solid on the voice commands before moving on. The ecollar is not even ordered yet. I welcome advice you guys have for me. My past dog training was with pointers and beagles. I always had older trained dogs to run them with. This is going to be new to me after the obedience training is nailed down.

Thanks
Jon
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#3294321 - 02/16/22 08:53 AM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
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You can teach a dog to come back to the tone with 2 hot dog wieners and 10 minutes.

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#3294322 - 02/16/22 09:05 AM Re: E collar question [Re: docjon2013]
SHampton Offline
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Just my opinion here. My dogs have manners but the main thing for me is that a dog doesnít look to me as a security blanket. I donít have a sit command because itís not beneficial on a stand. I rarely have to tone them back, they kind of develop a style. I do occasionally have to tone one but itís rare. The other thing that is a must for me is when I say ďget backĒ my dogs get beside me so I have a safe shot. I also say get back when Iím washing down kennels and they stay back and donít try to go through the gate so that is kind of my ďstay command.Ē Just my two cents.

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#3294323 - 02/16/22 09:21 AM Re: E collar question [Re: SHampton]
docjon2013 Offline
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Originally Posted By: SHampton
Just my opinion here. My dogs have manners but the main thing for me is that a dog doesnít look to me as a security blanket. I donít have a sit command because itís not beneficial on a stand. I rarely have to tone them back, they kind of develop a style. I do occasionally have to tone one but itís rare. The other thing that is a must for me is when I say ďget backĒ my dogs get beside me so I have a safe shot. I also say get back when Iím washing down kennels and they stay back and donít try to go through the gate so that is kind of my ďstay command.Ē Just my two cents.


Thanks for the info. I like the idea of the getting out of the way on the shot. You mentioned that you rarely have to tone them back. Everyone I ask about training them is just to get them in front of coyotes and they will figure it out. Well there has to be more to it than that. When do they know to get after them and when to come back? Sure they might pick it up but I bet there are several butt kickings for the newbie dog. I am fine with that and I know the more coyotes they are exposed the better but when is the right time to put them in a live event? Sorry with all the questions

Thanks
Jon
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