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#3288317 - 12/18/21 11:29 PM Is the heyday of cool rounds over?
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Man, this place used to be jumping with chatter of the latest, fastest, new round, either factory or wildcat. First the Wssms and 204, the DTI line and 6x6.8, 22 Nosler and NXS, of course the Grendel and 6.8, and others I missed.

Now it takes half a year just to get a barrel and you don't see anyone posting up any new arrivals or load work ups anymore.

Is AR innovation dead or just dormant?
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#3288320 - 12/19/21 12:17 AM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: 204 AR]
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Component depression, plain and simple! Guys are barely getting by so its hard to experiment when components are unobtainable.

It will come back but probably not under this administration.....
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#3288436 - 12/20/21 08:20 AM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: 204 AR]
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#3288446 - 12/20/21 10:33 AM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: 204 AR]
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Everyone wants to be a sniper and shoot super heavy bullets from a 223 ar15. Fast and light should be the interest. Imagine a 20 nosler? 22 Hagar, 6mm Hagar etc. or heck how about a rebated rim BR cased round. The industry has focused on shortening the 6.8 case even more. I keep saying stop shortening the case! Make it bigger not smaller!
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#3288460 - 12/20/21 12:14 PM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: 204 AR]
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The 6 Hagar is it if someone had a reamer for 55 to 70 grain bullets. I was in the process of ordering one when the bca side charging .243s appeared. That combined with dirt cheap Dogtown 70 grain ammo made me stop the 6 Hagar barrel. I'm really considering one again though.

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#3288472 - 12/20/21 01:52 PM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: Kino M]
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Originally Posted By: Kino M
Component depression, plain and simple! Guys are barely getting by so its hard to experiment when components are unobtainable.

It will come back but probably not under this administration.....


I think this is pretty close to the answer. Its hard to work up a load when you can't get components. Seems lately that every time I get a bullet to shoot really well, I can't get any more of them.
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#3288484 - 12/20/21 04:43 PM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: pyscodog]
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Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Originally Posted By: Kino M
Component depression, plain and simple! Guys are barely getting by so its hard to experiment when components are unobtainable.

It will come back but probably not under this administration.....


I think this is pretty close to the answer. Its hard to work up a load when you can't get components. Seems lately that every time I get a bullet to shoot really well, I can't get any more of them.


god forbid trying to find different powders to experiment with.
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#3288487 - 12/20/21 05:00 PM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: 204 AR]
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Funny you say that. Seems in my neck of the woods powder is more available than bullets and primers. One shop in Tulsa even had H4350 in stock. To pricey to buy but it was there.


Edited by pyscodog (12/20/21 05:02 PM)
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#3288495 - 12/20/21 06:16 PM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: 204 AR]
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Pyscodog it is weird how different areas and dealers have certain things.

I'm already scrounging for next year!
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#3288496 - 12/20/21 06:21 PM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: steve garrett]
Kino M Offline
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Originally Posted By: steve garrett
Everyone wants to be a sniper and shoot super heavy bullets from a 223 ar15. Fast and light should be the interest. Imagine a 20 nosler? 22 Hagar, 6mm Hagar etc. or heck how about a rebated rim BR cased round. The industry has focused on shortening the 6.8 case even more. I keep saying stop shortening the case! Make it bigger not smaller!


Thats because PRS is the fastest growing shooting sport right now and heavy high BC rules the game, varmint hunters have much different requirements. Even gun manufacturers have changed twist rates to accommodate the heavy pills and the long throats in chambers.
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#3288557 - 12/21/21 10:50 AM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: Kino M]
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Originally Posted By: Kino M
Originally Posted By: steve garrett
Everyone wants to be a sniper and shoot super heavy bullets from a 223 ar15. Fast and light should be the interest. Imagine a 20 nosler? 22 Hagar, 6mm Hagar etc. or heck how about a rebated rim BR cased round. The industry has focused on shortening the 6.8 case even more. I keep saying stop shortening the case! Make it bigger not smaller!


Thats because PRS is the fastest growing shooting sport right now and heavy high BC rules the game, varmint hunters have much different requirements. Even gun manufacturers have changed twist rates to accommodate the heavy pills and the long throats in chambers.


Yeah then a rebated rim 6mm br case should be awesome for that. I think what people are using for prs has become rediculous. Massive chassis guns only suitable for a 50 foot walk from their truck
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#3288558 - 12/21/21 11:07 AM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: 204 AR]
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What about the 4.6x30.
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#3288664 - 12/22/21 02:02 PM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: pyscodog]
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Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Funny you say that. Seems in my neck of the woods powder is more available than bullets and primers. One shop in Tulsa even had H4350 in stock. To pricey to buy but it was there.


probably why it was still in stock. someone desperate enough hasnt come along yet.


i hear ya on the primers. @ssproshops has been getting them and has them fairly regularly on the shelf around here - for $60/1k. stuff that....
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#3288746 - 12/23/21 08:19 AM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: 204 AR]
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The best news was the 250-3000 round came out as the 6,5mm Creedmore.
Even the NRA told this fact to be true.
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#3288765 - 12/23/21 12:11 PM Re: Is the heyday of cool rounds over? [Re: willy1947]
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Originally Posted By: willy1947


The best news was the 250-3000 round came out as the 6,5mm Creedmore.
Even the NRA told this fact to be true.




I didn't start this to be a "let's bash my least favorite round thread".
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