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#3282320 - 09/21/21 08:08 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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#3282386 - 09/23/21 12:00 AM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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So what's going on over at the fda these days? Here's part 2. You just can't make this up.





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#3282450 - 09/24/21 06:10 AM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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#3282572 - 09/26/21 06:14 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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Two of my friends,both anti vaxer's, just got out of the hospital. They tell a different story now. Both said its the sickest they have ever been. One's wife was vaccinated, he wasn't. He spent a really rough time in the hospital and she never got sick. The other guy said he wouldn't wish it on his worse enemy. Both are vaccinated now. Your choice. I'm sure there will be plenty of "Thoughts and prayers".
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#3282573 - 09/26/21 07:11 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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I got the vaccine and have been fine with it as far as I know. I think it might be a good idea to get it.
But I will also stand with the man for his right to not have it if that's what he believes is truly best.
I would hope he would respect my decision as much.

Nothing wrong with good debate and sharing of information. Sometimes the truth comes out. Most times it's about half of one side and about half truth from the other side. If a politician ever told the unvarnished truth his head would catch fire.
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#3282574 - 09/26/21 07:28 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why someone would not get the vaccine if it could save their life or a family member or friend. I wish those that are against it could talk with my friends that just got over it. Both said they had a "Come to Jesus". Scared the crap out of both.


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#3282575 - 09/26/21 07:47 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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I think it helps.
I figure it can't be to bad. They wouldn't want to hurt us. They want to keep selling vaccine for all the new variants that will come.

In my time I have seen vaccines that were almost miracles like the one for polio.
I have seen some pretty bad outcomes also.

I can understand people having a variety of reasons for not wanting to take a chance on it. Just not taking it to show the man is not a very good one however.
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#3282580 - 09/26/21 09:12 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: tnshootist]
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@ 85 YO, figured I'm on endangered species list so we got the vaccine. smile Glad we did, especially since we are so busy directing traffic for all the illegals passing through frown . Have a dear friend who is a covid ICU nurse and she says almost all of those dying now are un-vaccinated, as are the majority of those hospitalized.

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#3282581 - 09/26/21 09:14 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: tnshootist]
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Originally Posted By: tnshootist

I can understand people having a variety of reasons for not wanting to take a chance on it. Just not taking it to show the man is not a very good one however.


I agree. Refusing the vaccine just because you don't like Biden/Democrats isn't a good reason. Unfortunately this whole COVID mess became politicized by both Democrats and Republicans. People on both sides are making dumb decisions about masks, vaccines, social distancing, etc. Many of the youth in our country are unnecessarily missing out on education and social interaction and many businesses have suffered due to dumb democrat policies. Many people have died from COVID unnecessarily because they didn't get vaccinated when they had the opportunity.

If you are older and/or have significant medical conditions and have not been vaccinated I would hope you consider getting vaccinated. I've been in direct contact with hundreds of COVID patients in the last 18 months. I have watched several of them die. This Chinese virus is much worse for many people than the flu.

Every single patient that I've seen that is severely ill or die from COVID was not vaccinated. Yes you can still die from COVID after getting the vaccine but the risk is significantly lower. I have not seen a single patient with significant complications from the vaccine yet. Vaccine complications can and do happen but for most people the risk of getting several sick from COVID is much greater than the risk of complications from the vaccine.

I think it should be left up to each individual to choose if they want the vaccine. I do believe getting the vaccine is the best choice for most people.

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#3282600 - 09/26/21 11:09 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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I'm 72. I feel like if I go in the hospital, I won't be coming out on my feet. More likely in a box. I'm not ready for that yet. If a shot gives me an edge, I'm going to take it. Politics has nothing to do with it for me. I want to live!
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#3282619 - 09/27/21 01:20 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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the only way i'll consider getting a vax is when i can see unpolutted data showing that natural immunity is less long term effective than the vaccine (without 47 boosters) will be.

the problem i have right now is that the discussion on natural immunity is such taboo and the only offical answer/narrative is "get the jab". they will not release any data, and true double blind placebo studies have not been done - or if they have ... theyve been burried - because it MIGHT not fit the narrative.


as many have said - they've way over highly politicized this whole mess. they've ruined the trust of many because of all the fearp0rn they've used to push their agenda.
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#3282674 - 09/28/21 06:08 AM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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#3284124 - 10/25/21 10:23 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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Anyone else see anything wrong with this!? Throw the borders open to all comers (65,000 Haitians en route to the border as we speak). Mid-night flights of aliens to NY and God knows where and that's top secret.

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The first requires non-U.S. citizens traveling into the country, who are not immigrants, to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and provide proof of vaccination status prior to boarding their flight.

This order includes narrow medical exceptions, exemptions for children under 18, and people from countries with less than a 10 percent total vaccination rate due to lack of availability of vaccines.

Wonder what the infection rate is of those poor souls from such countries? I guess Fauchi is OK with this, though.





Biden Administration Announces Vaccine Rules For Travelers Into US

By Nick Ciolino
October 25, 2021 Updated: October 25, 2021


The Biden administration is rolling out new vaccine requirements for international travelers coming into the United States.

Starting Nov. 8, three new orders from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will be put into place, according to a senior administration official.

The first requires non-U.S. citizens traveling into the country, who are not immigrants, to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and provide proof of vaccination status prior to boarding their flight.

Officials say both digital and paper proof of vaccination will be accepted by international airlines.

This order includes narrow medical exceptions, exemptions for children under 18, and people from countries with less than a 10 percent total vaccination rate due to lack of availability of vaccines.

“Even in the low-vaccine-availability countries, people will also need to have a compelling reason to come here,” said the official. “So, it’s just not they’re coming here for any reason; they need to have a specific, compelling reason. So, tourist visas will not qualify for that.”

There are about 50 countries with a current vaccination rate of less than 10 percent, according to the White House.

If a traveler to the United States is not vaccinated, they are required to show a negative COVID-19 test that is less than a day old to board their plane regardless of citizenship.

Another new rule requires fully vaccinated travelers to the United States to show a negative COVID-19 test within three days of departure.

The final order requires travelers to provide contact information to airlines before boarding flights to the United States.

The administration announced Oct. 12 it will reopen its land borders to nonessential travel in early November for the fully vaccinated.

White House officials have said multiple times in recent weeks that “nothing is off the table” in terms of requiring the COVID-19 vaccine for domestic flights.

On Oct. 12, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) finalized the initial draft of the Emergency Temporary Standard set to implement Biden’s vaccine-mandate order and sent it to the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB).

OMB’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs is conducting a review of the emergency standard, which OSHA is allowed to issue if it determines workers are in “grave danger.” The review process could take as long as 90 days.

Several Republican governors and attorneys general have vowed to fight the mandate in court.

In an act of opposition, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott issued his own executive order banning Texas businesses from requiring vaccines for employees, or customers.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/biden-administration-announces-vaccine-rules-for-travelers-into-us_4067990.html?utm_source=News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-10-25-3&mktids=2a673ee34c5eb2339728ebe91513e217&est=mvSj%2FIPDiNwYzMqv0xfIVbl2LAdHzc%2FY0RMNgmh7TixltZyAVneEgxae
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#3284822 - 11/05/21 10:02 AM Re: vaccinations... [Re: Foxpro.223]
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Pfizer Rakes In Billions From Biden Vaccine Mandates...

By Dick Morris on November 3, 2021

Pfizer Inc has profited handsomely from its alliance with Joe Biden, earning $13 billion from the COVID vaccine in the third quarter of this year. The vaccine provided Pfizer with 54% of its total revenue.

The company just raised its projections of vaccine sales by seven percent in the wake of the FDA’s approval of the vaccine for children 5-18 years of age making it the top selling pharmaceutical product of all time, according to the Wall Street Journal.

With only 146 deaths in the US among children 5-18 during the two years of the pandemic (out of 28 million kids in the country), one wonders if the vaccination of children will just be a shot in the arm for Pfizer’s P&L statement.

That’s what Joe Biden has given Pfizer. Here’s what Pfizer has given Biden in one of the most questionable and least examined political and financial alliances of modern times: Pfizer delayed the announcement of its vaccine until one week after the 2020 election. There can be little doubt that had the announcement comes a week before the election, Trump — the vaccine’s developer — would likely have won.

Pfizer, through its PACs and direct donations from its executives gave almost $400,000 to the Biden campaign, more than three times what it gave to Trump.

Pfizer was the first company to get FDA approval for its vaccine and, for many months, was the only shot to get FDA blessing.
This cozy corporate-politician relationship deserves scrutiny. Especially as pressure mounts on America’s parents to vaccinate their children, even as deaths from COVID are in sharp decline, we must probe this relationship to examine the possibility of corruption.

https://www.dickmorris.com/subscribe/
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#3284843 - 11/05/21 02:01 PM Re: vaccinations... [Re: hm1996]
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More kids died drowning last year than from COVID. NO vaccine mandate for illegals allowed to stay in U.S. Bidens executive order on the border ordered customs to ignore legislative laws. Still vast majority of COVID cases result in asymptomatic or low grade symptoms. The vaccine studies have shown up to 40% breakthrough positive tests and the disease is still contagious. The current administration doesn't care about your health only that you comply to whatever the government administrators(who are NOT ELECTED) tell you to do. This isn't about your health, not about politics because unelected are controlling the narrative. And both Joe and Kamala said last fall they would " never take a Trump vaccine".

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