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#3278830 - 07/01/21 05:19 PM Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand????
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While I thought I was in pretty good shape, I noticed I'm getting a little lower on large rifle primers than I like to be. It I don't go crazy I can make them last through hunting season, but working up loads is burning through them pretty quickly. Just to get a break from the rain and out of the house, I went looking, knowing it was probably a lost cause, which it was. But I did hear that one shop in Tulsa had all kinds of primers......at $25.95 per 100. He also is selling his Reloader powders at $69.95 per pound. Capitalism or gouging or supply and demand? Or all of the above?
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#3278832 - 07/01/21 05:49 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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I thought it was bad here but I guess not. The kids got me 1000 pistol primers for father's day for 80.00. They had large and small rifle for 80.00 a thousand also. We went to bass pro and they had large rifle for 7.99 a hundred. They said primers are showing up more often. That store in Tulsa is capitalizing on a bad situation.

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#3278841 - 07/01/21 08:35 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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#3278844 - 07/01/21 09:11 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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Guess it depends on how much the store owner paid for them.
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#3278848 - 07/01/21 10:12 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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Dealers buy from distributors, who buy from the maker. There is a price schedule, distributor, dealer, retail. There are often discounts , usually based on quantity, or early buys. The mfg. cci, win, ect. can't control the retail seller, but can, and most likely would respond to complaints of scalping by their distributor. If in fact a distributor is over charging, or or requiring tie in , or "piggyback" purchases a dealer or dealer assoc. can seek redress through state agencies.

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#3278853 - 07/01/21 10:46 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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Gouging. Some stores close to me have been gougimg more than what they normally do. The good guys have went up a little due to the market but not over the top. Irritating for sure to see all the gouging.

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#3278858 - 07/01/21 11:31 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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Capitalism. If he doesnt charge about what theyre bringing on gunbroker, guess what happens to all of the stock he sells out in minutes on when it hits the shelves?!?! It goes on gunbroker, and not to the local working guy who cant get in the shop till after work hours. In the Ol Bammy rush years ago, the retired guys had it figured out when the deliveries hit the shelves at walmart, would show up just before them, buy em out on rimfire ammo, and have it on gb and taking a nap within an hr or so. And mailed it illegally thru the po. There is no such thing as gouging, only poor preparation and a lack of patience on the buyers part.
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#3278919 - 07/03/21 01:08 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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First off, capitalism and supply and demand are the same thing.
Gouging, no. Someone has what you want, he can charge whatever he wants, he could give them away or he could charge what someone will pay. That's how it works. I you want price controls, go to some socialist utopia like Europe, or some dictatorship like Russia. Then you will find out how well price controls work.

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#3278929 - 07/03/21 04:56 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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There use to be a gas station in my town on the corner of 71st and Main. Years ago when gas got short he jacked his prices way up . He said he did it because he can. Re-read the first line. There USE to be a gas station..... Just because you can doesn't mean you have to. He pretty much got ran out of town. You don't have to be a prick just because you can.
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#3278931 - 07/03/21 05:15 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
Mike B Offline
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So every sale on on gb for WAY more than doesnt actually happen, and theyre all gonna get run outta town?!?! No, theyll do what everybody else should, ant and grasshopper style.
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#3278933 - 07/03/21 05:52 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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Originally Posted By: pyscodog
There use to be a gas station in my town on the corner of 71st and Main. Years ago when gas got short he jacked his prices way up . He said he did it because he can. Re-read the first line. There USE to be a gas station..... Just because you can doesn't mean you have to. He pretty much got ran out of town. You don't have to be a prick just because you can.


Yep, same thing happened here. Fellow had a good business built up before the gas shortage but took advantage of his clients when he could (and bragged about it). Didn't stay in business but a few months when gas became plentiful again. Shut down that station and took over a brand new station a few blocks away.....closed that one down within two months.

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#3278943 - 07/04/21 11:11 AM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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I think there is a big difference between gouging and capitalism. I hope people will remember the ones that were trying to keep their prices fair and the ones that were out to make a huge profit. I know I will.
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#3278946 - 07/04/21 12:31 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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When it happens during a gas shortage people end up in court.

When it happens to the shooting industry the power that be consider it an effective way to keep ammo out of the hands of the people.
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#3278948 - 07/04/21 12:51 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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Probably true AWS. I also think the gougers prey on the first time gun owners as they don't know they are getting screwed. And, they have a new firearm and want to shoot it. Others have plenty of cash on hand and don't care what it cost. Just my opinion,I'm sure some will disagree.
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#3278960 - 07/04/21 08:13 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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I don't think all of the store owners that sell ammo across this country got together and decided they were going to raise the price of ammo. The only places I have seen that have good prices are the stores that don't have any ammo in stock.

Right now ammo costs more to buy for the people that are selling it. They will have to raise their prices so they can make a profit if they can find a supplier that has ammo.

Everything costs more to buy now than it did in the last year or two. Last week I ordered two chicken sandwiches and a order of fries from a Burger King and it cost me over $17.00, I was shocked!
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#3278966 - 07/04/21 11:44 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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A good example, one store in Tulsa is selling Reloader powders for $69.00 per pound, a smaller but pretty well stocked store on the other side of town has the same Reloader powders for $44 per pound. The store selling for $69 is probably the largest reloading store in Tulsa. Is he gouging? He's also the store selling primers for $26 per 100.
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#3278972 - 07/05/21 08:43 AM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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If you don't like the price, don't buy it! Reloading supplies are not necessities, its a hobby.

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#3278986 - 07/05/21 06:44 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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While there is some gouging going on, fact is that costs have increased to the manufacturers which has raised the cost of their product.

Until those costs go down, no matter what we're going to be paying more for ammo & components
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#3278994 - 07/05/21 10:39 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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I was in a local Walmart on Saturday, and they had some shot shells, a few boxes of Fed. 16ga 6, 71/2, and 8 field loads for $8.79 ,a full row of several different 20 ga loads, all under ten bucks. SP20 6 was $14.something. There was also a few boxes of SP4103,and some rifle ammo scattered an the shelves but no rimfire or promo shot shells that I could see. Good to see the prices there haven't gone crazy.

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#3278999 - 07/06/21 08:49 AM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: masshunter]
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Whatever you believe is the reason for the shortage, democrat governors caused it with the lockdowns and congress pumping cash into low production,high demand markets. Joe accelerated it with his executive orders. Hyper inflation, high interest rates are on the way. Joe promised not to raise taxes on those earning less than 400k a year. In order to eliminate the middle-class(no middle-class in socialist government) you have to crush small business,80% of small business are restaurants. Shutdown bars and restaurants was purely political.

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#3279003 - 07/06/21 11:37 AM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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LOL, if that were true, I guess some how the city I live in must have not got the message. Every business on Main St is either a bar or restaurant and business seems to be booming. You can believe what you want but I think there are other reasons for the shortages. Maybe like the millions of new gun owners or the people that are buying anything and everything they can to flip for a huge profit. First time gun owners want to shoot their new firearm. The cost of ammo doesn't factor in and as long as they keep buying the prices will stay high. At least until the new wears off or they wise up to the fact they are over paying.
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#3279009 - 07/06/21 05:04 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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I tend to agree with pyscodog, I'm seeing the same in our area.
Wonder how many used their bonus stimulus checks to purchase new AR-15's , 9mm's, and ammo with the extra money, please don't tell Nancy and her cohorts that though! ohmy laugh
I live near a gun club range, there are people there every day blasting away with AR's and pistols, I would assume that that holds true for the majority of ranges throughout the country. Years ago that range would see little activity until near when hunting seasons started coming around, then the guys would start sighting in their hunting rifles.
THEN: because ammo has gotten expensive, it seems like lots of people are also getting into reloading, which is not helping the component part of it.
Right now they have new gun owners over a barrel, either pay the price for the ammo, or have basically a closet queen, your choice!

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#3279010 - 07/06/21 06:14 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: SixsixtyMags]
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Originally Posted By: SixsixtyMags
I tend to agree with pyscodog, I'm seeing the same in our area.
Wonder how many used their bonus stimulus checks to purchase new AR-15's , 9mm's, and ammo with the extra money, please don't tell Nancy and her cohorts that though! ohmy laugh
I live near a gun club range, there are people there every day blasting away with AR's and pistols, I would assume that that holds true for the majority of ranges throughout the country. Years ago that range would see little activity until near when hunting seasons started coming around, then the guys would start sighting in their hunting rifles.
THEN: because ammo has gotten expensive, it seems like lots of people are also getting into reloading, which is not helping the component part of it.
Right now they have new gun owners over a barrel, either pay the price for the ammo, or have basically a closet queen, your choice!





I read on the internet, (take that for what its worth), that now that the stimulus checks have stopped that gun sales are going down. Don't remember the percentage but it was sizeable. When the "rockin' chair" money stops and people have to actually get a job, maybe then we will see the shelves starting to stock back up. One can only guess about prices.
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#3279019 - 07/06/21 09:13 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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#3279043 - 07/07/21 05:23 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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Went to Bass Pro that a local shop. The had pistol primers on the shelf but no large rifle. He said they hadn't got nay of those in the last couple of weeks. He had small rifle but they were gone now. They had quite a bit of shotgun ammo on the shelves. Most target stuff was about $10 a box but the heavy stuff for duck and turkey was considerably higher. I think they had 10 box limit on shotgun shells. BPS is always higher but not a lot in these times.
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#3279045 - 07/07/21 06:24 PM Re: Capitalism, gouging or supply and demand???? [Re: pyscodog]
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I was told at Bass Pro your best bet is first thing in the morning. Sounded like you would need to beat a couple retired guys to the shelf. Only in 100 packs though. That's why they had them often. Somebody in the back needs to take the bricks apart and tape the 100 packs shut. They won't do them all at 1 time.

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