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#3263330 - 12/28/20 12:08 PM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: CodyA]
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I'm not in the "go big or go home" approach to coyote hunting. Just about any cartridge you pick will kill coyotes. I use everything from a 22 Mag to 6.5x 58R Sauer. In this day with the political climate I'd stick with the most common cartridges or cartridges that are easily formed from common cartridges. My favorites in bolt actions are in order 222 Rem, 20 Practical, 22-204, 22-250 and the 6x45mm.
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#3263540 - 12/29/20 02:02 PM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: CodyA]
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I'd go with either a .243 or 22-250.
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#3263662 - 12/30/20 01:07 AM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: killahog]
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Registered: 12/10/09
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Wouldn't that be a 22-243 cartridge? There is another name for it also. The 22-250 is based on a 250 Savage round.
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#3263808 - 12/31/20 02:02 AM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: CodyA]
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what weight bullets are you getting over 4000fps?
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#3265188 - 01/08/21 03:03 PM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: killahog]
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Registered: 11/25/05
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Loc: UT
Originally Posted By: killahog

Have you run the velocity numbers with a 18" 243 compared to a 24" 243? if you did please share them. now here is another option for you 22-250 AI. I take 243 Winchester brass and thru a series of sizing cutting and trimming I neck the brass down to 22 caliber. I end up with a tight neck 22-250 AI that is moving over 4000 fps. My lab Radar will not register over 3999. It is a lot of work up front but since the brass fits the chamber so well 1.5 thousands clearance in the neck chamber area the brass does not get work hardened 400 cases should outlast the barrel. Did I mention this round just eats crows.


This sounds like the dumbest thing I've ever heard of someone forming brass. What would you do differently with your now exhaustively formed 22-250 w/ 243 headstamp on the 2nd loading that you couldn't do with 22-250 brass?

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#3265198 - 01/08/21 04:29 PM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: nightcaller]
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Loc: Central Texas
Originally Posted By: nightcaller
Originally Posted By: killahog

Have you run the velocity numbers with a 18" 243 compared to a 24" 243? if you did please share them. now here is another option for you 22-250 AI. I take 243 Winchester brass and thru a series of sizing cutting and trimming I neck the brass down to 22 caliber. I end up with a tight neck 22-250 AI that is moving over 4000 fps. My lab Radar will not register over 3999. It is a lot of work up front but since the brass fits the chamber so well 1.5 thousands clearance in the neck chamber area the brass does not get work hardened 400 cases should outlast the barrel. Did I mention this round just eats crows.


This sounds like the dumbest thing I've ever heard of someone forming brass. What would you do differently with your now exhaustively formed 22-250 w/ 243 headstamp on the 2nd loading that you couldn't do with 22-250 brass?


+1 to nightcaller....

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#3265203 - 01/08/21 04:55 PM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: CodyA]
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+2 to nightcaller.
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#3265281 - 01/08/21 11:54 PM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: CodyA]
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I can tell you one really good reason to do the case forming from .243 brass. You can end up with a far better shooting rifle if the necks are concentric and somewhere in the .003 clearance on a loaded round. It may not be something some of you guys want to do but that doesn't mean there's no value in going to the trouble to do it. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it or can't do it.

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#3265295 - 01/09/21 08:34 AM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: BangPop]
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Registered: 12/29/06
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Loc: Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: BangPop
I can tell you one really good reason to do the case forming from .243 brass. You can end up with a far better shooting rifle if the necks are concentric and somewhere in the .003 clearance on a loaded round. It may not be something some of you guys want to do but that doesn't mean there's no value in going to the trouble to do it. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it or can't do it.


Define "far better..."


Edited by liliysdad (01/09/21 08:34 AM)

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#3265360 - 01/09/21 02:36 PM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: BangPop]
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Originally Posted By: BangPop
I can tell you one really good reason to do the case forming from .243 brass. You can end up with a far better shooting rifle if the necks are concentric and somewhere in the .003 clearance on a loaded round. It may not be something some of you guys want to do but that doesn't mean there's no value in going to the trouble to do it. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it or can't do it.


laugh
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#3265455 - 01/10/21 08:07 AM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: CodyA]
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Concentricity certainly does matter. And tight necks are super easy to work with for the life of the brass.

Way back when the world was young, I made up a batch of .22-250 out of .308 to make tight (and long) neck brass for a factory chamber. Fun project, good learning experience for a pup (which I was). Worked out really well. Still have that batch of brass somewhere I bet.

What was really interesting, was sectioning some of that brass, along with the WW stuff I normally used back then and comparing. And measuring capacity. Surprisingly big difference. And it was the .308 stuff that had the greater.

Like I said, fun project, good learning.

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#3265736 - 01/12/21 07:22 AM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: CodyA]
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Registered: 03/06/14
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Loc: Indiana
Speed =shorter barrel life! Pick something that the whole case capacity can be utilized in the barrel length

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#3265756 - 01/12/21 09:29 AM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: CodyA]
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Registered: 02/04/04
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I would bet the average hunter/shooter will never wear out a barrel. For those that do, good for you ! As luck would have it, they make new ones everyday !

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#3265890 - 01/13/21 02:48 AM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: CodyA]
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Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 2283
Loc: Colorado USA
the only barrel I ever shot out was a 22-250 in a very large p dog town many years ago. Got the barrel sooo hot it smoked my finger when I accidentally touched it. Gun never shot right after that.I know really dumb and young.
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#3266016 - 01/13/21 08:17 PM Re: Coyote Rifle Build Question [Re: CodyA]
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Registered: 03/13/14
Posts: 21
Loc: Cambridge, MN
A friend recently built a 22-250 AI (similar ballistics to 22 creedmoor) and with 88 grn eld-m bullets it destroyed coyotes. He switched to a 6xc wildcat he made and 87? grn bergers to not destroy them so bad. The 22-250 AI shot great though. He had a 22" barrel and a can on it.

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