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#3246573 - 06/12/20 08:48 PM Fast form 4 turnaround
Tgunz64 Offline
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Registered: 02/20/15
Posts: 154
Loc: MN
Ordered my first can Jan 20th I believe. Dealer received it Feb 18. (Took a little time for me to get my prints). Ordered my 2nd can in March. Got the call this afternoon both form 4’s received and I can pick them up. Not too shabby! Guess I’ll get to use them this year after all!

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#3247091 - 06/22/20 01:22 AM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: Tgunz64]
Lwa42 Offline
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Registered: 09/17/12
Posts: 6
Loc: Section, AL
Nice! What did you get?

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#3247256 - 06/25/20 07:24 AM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: Tgunz64]
decanuck Offline
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Registered: 02/21/05
Posts: 568
Loc: Southeast NH
That's an impressive turnaround. Just got a call that my Oct 2019 form is done. And I thought 8 months was pretty good...

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#3247263 - 06/25/20 01:05 PM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: Tgunz64]
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Registered: 02/12/15
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Loc: Oakland County, MI
individual? or trust?
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#3247771 - 07/03/20 11:57 PM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: Lwa42]
Tgunz64 Offline
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Loc: MN
TBAC Ultra 7 6.5mm and a Dead Air Mask 22 HD

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#3247772 - 07/03/20 11:57 PM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: Plant.One]
Tgunz64 Offline
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Loc: MN
Trust.

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#3249131 - 07/28/20 04:44 PM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: Tgunz64]
G Anderson Online
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Registered: 11/16/01
Posts: 459
Loc: Clinton, Indiana
I sent everything in January 14th...got the call yesterday that the stamp was in. Went today and they had to do the 4473 form and it got delayed...[beeep]!?? They take 6 1/2 months to do all this, background check and stamp is approved and still have to fill out a 4473 form...this is the craziest thing I've heard and then after the 6.5 month wait, it gets delayed. Go figure. Will be able to get it by Saturday at the latest.

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#3249139 - 07/28/20 06:45 PM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: G Anderson]
skinney Offline
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Registered: 12/21/09
Posts: 3460
Loc: South Dakota
Originally Posted By: G Anderson
I sent everything in January 14th...got the call yesterday that the stamp was in. Went today and they had to do the 4473 form and it got delayed...[beeep]!?? They take 6 1/2 months to do all this, background check and stamp is approved and still have to fill out a 4473 form...this is the craziest thing I've heard and then after the 6.5 month wait, it gets delayed. Go figure. Will be able to get it by Saturday at the latest.


Who is your dealer? Ask them if they know what the [beeep] they are doing, or if they are just planning on demoing your can all week while your 4473 is "delayed".

On the new 4473's, bottom of page 2, Check box #28... No NICS check is required because a background check was completed during the NFA approval process on the individual who will receive the NFA firearm(s), as reflected on the approved NFA application.
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#3249140 - 07/28/20 07:10 PM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: skinney]
G Anderson Online
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Registered: 11/16/01
Posts: 459
Loc: Clinton, Indiana
Originally Posted By: skinney
Originally Posted By: G Anderson
I sent everything in January 14th...got the call yesterday that the stamp was in. Went today and they had to do the 4473 form and it got delayed...[beeep]!?? They take 6 1/2 months to do all this, background check and stamp is approved and still have to fill out a 4473 form...this is the craziest thing I've heard and then after the 6.5 month wait, it gets delayed. Go figure. Will be able to get it by Saturday at the latest.


Who is your dealer? Ask them if they know what the [beeep] they are doing, or if they are just planning on demoing your can all week while your 4473 is "delayed".

On the new 4473's, bottom of page 2, Check box #28... No NICS check is required because a background check was completed during the NFA approval process on the individual who will receive the NFA firearm(s), as reflected on the approved NFA application.


Skinney, thanks for that info. I looked up the new form and it is now question 20 on the second page...or at least this is the form that the dealer is using. I will call him tomorrow and discuss. Thanks

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#3249164 - 07/29/20 08:21 AM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: skinney]
G Anderson Online
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Registered: 11/16/01
Posts: 459
Loc: Clinton, Indiana
Originally Posted By: skinney
Originally Posted By: G Anderson
I sent everything in January 14th...got the call yesterday that the stamp was in. Went today and they had to do the 4473 form and it got delayed...[beeep]!?? They take 6 1/2 months to do all this, background check and stamp is approved and still have to fill out a 4473 form...this is the craziest thing I've heard and then after the 6.5 month wait, it gets delayed. Go figure. Will be able to get it by Saturday at the latest.


Who is your dealer? Ask them if they know what the [beeep] they are doing, or if they are just planning on demoing your can all week while your 4473 is "delayed".

On the new 4473's, bottom of page 2, Check box #28... No NICS check is required because a background check was completed during the NFA approval process on the individual who will receive the NFA firearm(s), as reflected on the approved NFA application.


Skinney, I have another question regarding the 4473 form...if they check the box "no NICS check is required" do they still have to "call" it in or do they just file the form in their files?

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#3249176 - 07/29/20 09:45 AM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: G Anderson]
skinney Offline
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Registered: 12/21/09
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Loc: South Dakota
Originally Posted By: G Anderson


Skinney, thanks for that info. I looked up the new form and it is now question 20 on the second page...or at least this is the form that the dealer is using. I will call him tomorrow and discuss. Thanks


That's the old form, I just threw about 10 of them away... The new form it's page 2, question 28. The ATF just came out with them about a week ago, and there probably is no info on them online yet. However your dealer probably is still using the older form you are talking about, and we weren't required to use the new 4473's until they are readily available.

Originally Posted By: G Anderson


Skinney, I have another question regarding the 4473 form...if they check the box "no NICS check is required" do they still have to "call" it in or do they just file the form in their files?


They Have to check the box "No NICS Check is Required" it's an NFA transfer and you have already completed an extensive BG check with multiple fingerprints and photo ID's. They are taking steps that don't need to be taken. All they need to do is mark the box and keep the 4473 for their records, and log the can from their A&D's out to you. Done. You should of had the can the day your stamp was in your dealers hands.

I have my customers fill out a 4473, then I make a copy of all the pages of the approved form 4, put the copies of the approved form 4 in the completed 4473 (for my records) put them in my Firearms Record Book, and my customer takes the suppressor, no NICS, no calls, no added wait time.
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#3249226 - 07/29/20 11:15 PM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: skinney]
G Anderson Online
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Registered: 11/16/01
Posts: 459
Loc: Clinton, Indiana
Originally Posted By: skinney
Originally Posted By: G Anderson


Skinney, thanks for that info. I looked up the new form and it is now question 20 on the second page...or at least this is the form that the dealer is using. I will call him tomorrow and discuss. Thanks


That's the old form, I just threw about 10 of them away... The new form it's page 2, question 28. The ATF just came out with them about a week ago, and there probably is no info on them online yet. However your dealer probably is still using the older form you are talking about, and we weren't required to use the new 4473's until they are readily available.

Originally Posted By: G Anderson


Skinney, I have another question regarding the 4473 form...if they check the box "no NICS check is required" do they still have to "call" it in or do they just file the form in their files?


They Have to check the box "No NICS Check is Required" it's an NFA transfer and you have already completed an extensive BG check with multiple fingerprints and photo ID's. They are taking steps that don't need to be taken. All they need to do is mark the box and keep the 4473 for their records, and log the can from their A&D's out to you. Done. You should of had the can the day your stamp was in your dealers hands.

I have my customers fill out a 4473, then I make a copy of all the pages of the approved form 4, put the copies of the approved form 4 in the completed 4473 (for my records) put them in my Firearms Record Book, and my customer takes the suppressor, no NICS, no calls, no added wait time.

Skinney, I called the dealer back yesterday after your post...he basically said that he does the NICS check to "cover his a$$"...I told him it clearly states that the NICS is not required, but he started in about how he did not know if during the 6.5 month wait time on the stamp whether or not I maybe had been arrested and that every other dealer he talked to said they did the same thing to "cover their a$$". I said, why would the ATF put it on the form and spell it out for you if they didn't want you to use it? Answer was, that's the way he wants to do it and he isn't going to change.
So this morning I called ATF at 9am sharp and explained the situation about the dealer...the lady kind of laughed and said "what the heck does he think it is on the form for" and "why does he think he has to cover his a$$?" She said he is just wasting everyone's time and adding more to it than what needs to be done. Ironically, an hour and half later I get a call from the dealer to come and get my suppressor...when I picked it up I could sense some tension in his demeanor. Have to wonder if the lady made a phone call or not.
Anyway, I got it and will be trying it out tomorrow. Being that this is my first can, I hope it is everything I expect it to be.

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#3249266 - 07/30/20 03:43 PM Re: Fast form 4 turnaround [Re: Tgunz64]
willy1947 Offline
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Registered: 11/20/11
Posts: 3156
Loc: Ohio, Ohio


A lot of good info here. I add a cover sheet and list the stamps I have.
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