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#3248421 - 07/17/20 09:18 AM covid #"s
suprsongdgslyr Offline
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So now mr bonespurs has ordered states to stop reporting their covid numbers to the CDC < center for disease control, {for those of you who don't know} ..Now our case numbers will finally drop drastically, It'll be completely gone before Nov.3rd, We're saved . We shall all line up to kiss his ring . He truly is the savior .

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#3248424 - 07/17/20 09:36 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
obaro Online
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Loc: Monument kansas
My county has had 2 positive cases recorded, one of which has proven to be a false positive, but it is still counted as positive in the state. There are numerous accounts of false positives and bogus tests that slant the numbers if a person does a little research.The local hospital administrator on Tuesday told me that the latest stats he received has the survival rate for covid-19 in Kansas at 99.986%, meaning .014 percent of people who get it die from it. Looks like pretty good odds to me compared to the seasonal flu,for instance. Schools need to open in the fall and things need to get going. The way this has been treated by the liberals and progressives it sure has made the treatment much worse than the disease.

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#3248431 - 07/17/20 12:04 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: obaro]
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Happy for those areas lightly affected.

That is not the case in some other areas, however. For instance, Hidalgo county, on the southern tip of Texas, has experienced a severe spike in cases in July. One day last week, for instance there were 1274 new cases reported, bringing the total cases to 8593 cases with 183 deaths (2% death rate*). Hospitals are overflowing and they've had to resort to refrigerated trailers to supplement the morgues.

As of June 29th, they had only 537 cases with a 1% death rate*, so, the death rate will probably rise accordingly. (Hidalgo county reported 35 deaths yesterday alone.)
* Total infections/deaths

Even the much more sparsely populated surrounding counties are experiencing similar spikes. Of course the total numbers are much lower in the ranch country.

"One size fits all solutions" will not solve the problem; what works in one area may not be in order somewhere else.

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#3248436 - 07/17/20 12:09 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Isn't Kansas under a mandatory mask in public ruling? Must be working.
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#3248438 - 07/17/20 12:24 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: suprsongdgslyr
So now mr bonespurs has ordered states to stop reporting their covid numbers to the CDC < center for disease control, {for those of you who don't know} ..Now our case numbers will finally drop drastically, It'll be completely gone before Nov.3rd, We're saved . We shall all line up to kiss his ring . He truly is the savior .


Originally Posted By: USA Today
Michael Caputo, HHS assistant secretary for public affairs, said in a statement earlier Wednesday the new coronavirus data collection system would be “faster,” and the CDC has a one-week lag in reporting hospital data.

“The President’s Coronavirus Task Force has urged improvements for months, but they cannot keep up with this pandemic,” he said. “Today, the CDC still provides data from only 85 percent of hospitals; the President’s COVID response requires 100 percent to report.”


ETA:
Originally Posted By: USA Today
"the CDC has a one-week lag in reporting hospital data."

“Today, the CDC still provides data from only 85 percent of hospitals; the President’s COVID response requires 100 percent to report.”


Cutting out the middle man is a time proven method of improving efficiency in any organization. How can this be a bad thing?

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hm


Edited by hm1996 (07/17/20 05:57 PM)
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#3248458 - 07/17/20 04:19 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Nine out of the ten states with the highest number of China virus cases/deaths are all blue states. Yup, the Democrat/liberal governors are doing great with the virus!

https://247wallst.com/special-report/202...19-cases-14/11/
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#3248461 - 07/17/20 05:32 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Well the way I see it, the virus doesn't really care what color the state is and if the red states and the blue states don't figure a way to work together it won't matter much longer. We need to get past this political BS and work together to find a cure for ALL of us.
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#3248462 - 07/17/20 05:51 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: pyscodog]
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Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Isn't Kansas under a mandatory mask in public ruling? Must be working.


They are, but the governor is leaving enforcement up to the AG and local prosecutors. The problem w/requiring masks is it is almost impossible to enforce.

Texas was doing pretty well until they announced that restrictions were to be lifted for Memorial Day. Immediately, traffic spiked (even before the stay at home mandate was lifted); then on MD weekend many beaches were crowded as if there was no tomorrow. Predictably, Covid cases spiked within a week and continue to rise.

Hidalgo county announced another 1248 additional cases today.

Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Well the way I see it, the virus doesn't really care what color the state is and if the red states and the blue states don't figure a way to work together it won't matter much longer. We need to get past this political BS and work together to find a cure for ALL of us.


That would help, Bill, but don't hold your breath.

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#3248470 - 07/17/20 07:35 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: pyscodog]
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Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Well the way I see it, the virus doesn't really care what color the state is and if the red states and the blue states don't figure a way to work together it won't matter much longer. We need to get past this political BS and work together to find a cure for ALL of us.


That is exactly what Trump has been trying to do. Sorry you've
been missing it.
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#3248471 - 07/17/20 08:01 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Edited by pyscodog (07/17/20 08:21 PM)
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#3248482 - 07/17/20 10:18 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
hm1996 Offline
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Originally Posted By: ADK
That is exactly what Trump has been trying to do. Sorry you've
been missing it.


And all the help he gets from the left and their lap dog media is....

Regards,
hm
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#3248484 - 07/17/20 11:03 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
obaro Online
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Kansas governor left it up to the counties on how they handle the mask situation. Last I knew there are still a few counties with no cases, and some more that are only in single digits.

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#3248508 - 07/18/20 11:37 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/florid...gn=fb-glennbeck

I believe that there is a lot of this stuff going on.
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#3248680 - 07/21/20 02:40 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Alexa knows.

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#3248927 - 07/24/20 09:21 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
suprsongdgslyr Offline
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Originally Posted By: ADK
Nine out of the ten states with the highest number of China virus cases/deaths are all blue states. Yup, the Democrat/liberal governors are doing great with the virus!

https://247wallst.com/special-report/202...19-cases-14/11/
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I agree those democrat governors of Florida , Arizona ,Texas ,and Georgia ,should be removed from office, They really dropped the ball !

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#3248954 - 07/24/20 04:50 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Where did you go to school? You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
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#3248956 - 07/24/20 05:04 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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#3248960 - 07/24/20 07:57 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: suprsongdgslyr


I agree those democrat governors of Florida , Arizona ,Texas ,and Georgia ,should be removed from office, They really dropped the ball !


florida removed its democrat governor back in 1999
the one in Arizona resigned Jan 21, 2009
Texas removed theirs Jan 17 1995
Georgia got rid of theirs Jan 13, 2003.

way to be up on current events tt2 tt2
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#3248968 - 07/24/20 10:14 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Plant.One]
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lol lol

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#3249041 - 07/26/20 05:55 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Foxpro.223]
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Originally Posted By: Foxpro.223
Alexa knows.

[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/h0r_Ppynb5I[/video]



So you really think its all a hoax. There's a awful lot of dead people on both sides that wish they could argue with you. Sadly they aren't around any longer to help change your mind. Hopefully they weren't your kin.
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#3249057 - 07/26/20 10:05 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: pyscodog]
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Originally Posted By: pyscodog
So you really think its all a hoax. There's a awful lot of dead people on both sides that wish they could argue with you. Sadly they aren't around any longer to help change your mind. Hopefully they weren't your kin.


Your comment appears to be a 'red herring' intended to mislead readers. No one is saying that the virus does not exist. But, there is increasing evidence that the Covid-19 statistics are greatly exaggerated and in many cases they appear to be exaggerated for political gain in blue democrat controlled cities and states. So if you would like to argue those points feel free to do so but do not try to mislead the readers.
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#3249059 - 07/26/20 10:16 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Believe what you want ADK.
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#3249060 - 07/26/20 10:35 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
ADK Offline
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Thanks.

P.S.-

The good news is that three drug makers are entering into phase III testing of Covid-19 vaccine trials,the final stage for approval. Experts are hopeful that a viable vaccine will be available in the near future putting an end to the China virus nightmare. Moderna is beginning their phase III trials today. thumbup1
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#3249098 - 07/27/20 10:56 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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The Socialist Democrats and their lap-dog media are most definitely using the virus....and anything else they can conjur up..... to try to sway the election.

The virus is also real. Have a nurse friend who comes home from hospital crying every day due to all the fatalities....most unknown to her, but some associates and other health care workers, too.

Neighbor 3 doors down passed yesterday and another across the street had to close his office due to 3 of his workers coming down w/covid.

Both hospitals and funeral homes ordering refrigerated trailers due to backlog.

Are the numbers exagerated? Probably, due to the testing issues/false positives, political misadventures, etc. but you can't ignore the bodies.

Regards,
hm
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#3249121 - 07/28/20 12:29 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
ADK Offline
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#3249126 - 07/28/20 01:54 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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How many people died annually in 2010-2018 from corona viruses?

Corona viruses have been around for as long as we know, just like influenza and common cold, so how many people die in a normal year from a corona virus???

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#3249132 - 07/28/20 05:02 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Excellent point Rock. Caronavirus strains have been killing people around the world since the 1960's, and possibly since before the 1960's. There is no way to know for sure when they came on the scene.

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#3249136 - 07/28/20 06:23 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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I don't understand the quoting of flu death numbers as if that off sets the deaths from covid.

I don't understand how some people still think the virus is a hoax.

I do think it's not of much use to be afraid. Life must go on as best as possible. Nothing wrong with using common sense.
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#3249146 - 07/28/20 08:01 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: tnshootist]
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Originally Posted By: tnshootist
I don't understand how some people still think the virus is a hoax.




i never understood how people think sandy hook was a hoax either. but some do.

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#3249148 - 07/28/20 09:17 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
ADK Offline
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Originally Posted By: ADK
Originally Posted By: pyscodog
So you really think its all a hoax. There's a awful lot of dead people on both sides that wish they could argue with you. Sadly they aren't around any longer to help change your mind. Hopefully they weren't your kin.


Your comment appears to be a 'red herring' intended to mislead readers. No one is saying that the virus does not exist. But, there is increasing evidence that the Covid-19 statistics are greatly exaggerated and in many cases they appear to be exaggerated for political gain in blue democrat controlled cities and states. So if you would like to argue those points feel free to do so but do not try to mislead the readers.
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#3249156 - 07/28/20 10:55 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Originally Posted By: ADK
Originally Posted By: ADK
Originally Posted By: pyscodog
So you really think its all a hoax. There's a awful lot of dead people on both sides that wish they could argue with you. Sadly they aren't around any longer to help change your mind. Hopefully they weren't your kin.


Your comment appears to be a 'red herring' intended to mislead readers. No one is saying that the virus does not exist. But, there is increasing evidence that the Covid-19 statistics are greatly exaggerated and in many cases they appear to be exaggerated for political gain in blue democrat controlled cities and states. So if you would like to argue those points feel free to do so but do not try to mislead the readers.
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#3249160 - 07/29/20 01:20 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Heard anything about a new virus in China called G4 EA H1N1 ?
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#3249162 - 07/29/20 07:28 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Yes, you can find it on Wikipedia:



2020 G4 EA H1N1 publication

G4 EA H1N1, also known as the G4 swine flu virus (G4) is a swine influenza virus strain discovered in China.[64] The virus is a variant genotype 4 (G4) Eurasian avian-like (EA) H1N1 virus that mainly affects pigs, but there is some evidence of it infecting people.[64] A 2020 peer-reviewed paper from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) stated that "G4 EA H1N1 viruses possess all the essential hallmarks of being highly adapted to infect humans ... Controlling the prevailing G4 EA H1N1 viruses in pigs and close monitoring of swine working populations should be promptly implemented."[65]

Michael Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization (WHO) Health Emergencies Program, stated in July 2020 that this strain of influenza virus was not new and had been under surveillance since 2011.[66] The Chinese CDC said it had implemented an influenza surveillance program in 2010, analyzing more than 400,000 tests annually, to facilitate early identification of influenza.[67] Of those, 13 A(H1N1) cases were detected, of which three were of the G4 variant.[67]

The study stated that almost 30,000 swine had been monitored via nasal swabs between 2011 and 2018.[65] While other variants of the virus have appeared and diminished, the study claimed the G4 variant had sharply increased since 2016 to become the predominant strain.[65][68] The Chinese Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs rebutted the study, saying that the number of pigs sampled was too small to demonstrate G4 had become the dominant strain and that the media had interpreted the study "in an exaggerated and nonfactual way".[69] They also said the infected workers "did not show flu symptoms and the test sample is not representative of the pig population in China".[67]

According to the study, between 2016 and 2018, 338 swine production workers in China were tested for antibodies of the virus, and 35 (10.4%) had tested positive. Of those workers between the ages of 18 and 35, 20.5% had tested positive.[65][70] Among another 230 people screened who did not work in the swine industry, 10 (4.4%) tested positive for antibodies, indicating prior infection.[64][65] Three cases of infection caused by the G4 virus had been documented as of July 2020, with no confirmed cases of human-to-human transmission.[64]

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said the study suggested that human infection by the G4 virus is more common than it was thought to be.[64] Both the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC)[71] and the US CDC[64] stated that, like all flu viruses with pandemic potential, the variant is a concern that will be monitored.[71] The WHO assesses the risk of influenza viruses with the Tool for Influenza Pandemic Risk Assessment,[71] and the US CDC uses the Influenza Risk Assessment Tool.[64] The ECDC stated that "the most important intervention in preparing for the pandemic potential of influenza viruses is the development and use of human vaccines ...".[71] The US CDC announced in July 2020 that it would request a sample of the virus from China and create a new vaccine if needed.[64] Health officials (including Anthony Fauci) have said that the virus should be monitored, particularly among those in close contact with pigs, but it is not an immediate threat.[72][73] While there have been no reported cases or evidence of the virus outside of China as of July 2020,[73] Smithsonian magazine reported in July 2020 that scientists agree that the virus should be closely monitored, but because it "so far cannot jump from person to person", it should not be a cause for alarm.[74]
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#3249165 - 07/29/20 08:32 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Wonder why the Chinese have so many cases of catching stuff from animals.

I guess they have a lot of people in close proximity. It looks like they would be able to do better but I know very little about how they live there.Never was much interested.
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The story I read said one case has been found in the US. A man had recently traveled to Wuhan and back.
If it was up to me anyone who wanted to go to China could go. Couldn't come back though.
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#3249193 - 07/29/20 03:12 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: tnshootist]
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Obviously, Covid is affecting different parts of the country differently. Population density seems to be a major factor in its spread.

Just got an email from my nurse friend, who works in one of the medium sized hospitals in the area. "Covid is in our hospital. We usually have 3 code blues/week; now 3+/day".

As stated earlier, area hospitals are full, one reporting on local news double occupancy in covid rooms intended for isolation (single occupancy). It was reported that they were packed in so tight "you can't get a crash cart in where needed".

Hopefully, a good sign yesterday as new cases reported dropped slightly. Perhaps a sign of better days ahead??

Regards,
hm
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#3249237 - 07/30/20 09:03 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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"Just got an email from my nurse friend, who works in one of the medium sized hospitals in the area. "Covid is in our hospital. We usually have 3 code blues/week; now 3+/day"."

Is that medium sized hospital in a city controlled by Democrats hm?
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#3249239 - 07/30/20 09:27 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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It is interesting what is going on with this covid thing. Our local Colo. news keeps reporting sky rocketing cases, by the day. Also telling us that testing is reaching new highs. So it makes since, more tests equals more positive cases found.
What they usually fail to tell us on the news is that the number of patients in the hospital is not following the upward trend of cases, and that the death rate has remained very VERY low and the positivity rate remains below 5%.

Why is it that the news only want to tell us part of the story, you know, the BAD part? A guy has to go online to the .gov site to see the whole picture of what is actually happening around here.
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#3249240 - 07/30/20 09:51 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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The liberal fake news agenda at work again.
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#3249245 - 07/30/20 10:49 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Originally Posted By: ADK
The liberal fake news agenda at work again.


Just asking, has anyone heard that the common cold virus will register a positive on a covid-19 test?
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#3249254 - 07/30/20 12:16 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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According to the CDC, yes it is happening. Imagine the opportunities for fraud that this presents.

From the CDC website:

If you test positive

A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html
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#3249259 - 07/30/20 12:50 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Lets be clear about the two tests:
1) nose swab for virus itself
2) blood test for anti-bodies, its after the fact, - may have been exposed.

I've been tested for both, neg on both, but that was just one point in time (mid June).
Next tests will be a new ballgame. (hopefully not needed)

My points are that:
2) may be postive but inconclusive,
1) positve is the real deal.
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#3249262 - 07/30/20 01:05 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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"Just got an email from my nurse friend, who works in one of the medium sized hospitals in the area. "Covid is in our hospital. We usually have 3 code blues/week; now 3+/day"."

Is that medium sized hospital in a city controlled by Democrats hm?


Yes it is, but in all fairness, I don't think the democrats (or republicans, for that matter)can be blamed for the surge in the spread. The blame lies more at the feet of the general population, as they went hog wild and crazy at the mere suggestion of lifting "stay at home" orders state wide for Memorial day. That,dense population, and to some degree proximity to the border, IMO, influences the numbers to a much greater extent.

TX, at least currently (in spite of Bloomberg's millions), is Republican, but south Texas is, and has long been,solid blue. Interestingly, death rate/positive test rate* for the US is .0692, TX is .0162, and the tip of Texas counties are .0353 and .0312.

*But I dare anyone to get any two different sets of statistics to agree. It is obvious that there is no "official score keeper" and you can come up with just about any number you wish.....perhaps by design???

As has been alluded to, much of the hype about the virus is being manipulated for political gain, IMO. Also true, is the fact that test results are/have been less than 100% reliable, for sure, and, due to the fact that federal funding to affected entities was based on the number of positives, many such entities, I believe, pushed the pencil a bit....some a bit more than others. (It has been reported that ALL deaths, whether by accident, suicide, etc. are tested for Covid, and if the test comes back positive, Covid is listed as cause of death.)

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#3249263 - 07/30/20 01:46 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: hm1996]
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Originally Posted By: hm1996
Obviously, Covid is affecting different parts of the country differently. Population density seems to be a major factor in its spread.

Just got an email from my nurse friend, who works in one of the medium sized hospitals in the area. "Covid is in our hospital. We usually have 3 code blues/week; now 3+/day".

As stated earlier, area hospitals are full, one reporting on local news double occupancy in covid rooms intended for isolation (single occupancy). It was reported that they were packed in so tight "you can't get a crash cart in where needed".

Hopefully, a good sign yesterday as new cases reported dropped slightly. Perhaps a sign of better days ahead??

Regards,
hm


if you could ask a couple questions i'd be interested in the feedback from someone who's actually boots on the ground

1a) is the hospital in question at full normal ICU occupancy (ie based on 2019 occupancy #'s) - or full reduced occupancy? (room #'s available based on covid-19 related staffing issues,etc)

1b) how many of those ICU rooms that are full have nothing to do with covid19? ie: elective surgery recovery, emergency surgery recovery, etc


2) are those extra code blue's all covid related? or are they from typical stuff thats exacerbated due to several months with emergency only care being given due to covid-19 restrictions?

i do appreciate that some of that info can truly be hospital to hospital based stuff.... but i'm trying to get some real world non-media filtered/biased feedback.
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#3249265 - 07/30/20 02:56 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Plant.One]
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Quote:
1a) is the hospital in question at full normal ICU occupancy (ie based on 2019 occupancy #'s) - or full reduced occupancy? (room #'s available based on covid-19 related staffing issues,etc)

1b) how many of those ICU rooms that are full have nothing to do with covid19? ie: elective surgery recovery, emergency surgery recovery, etc


2) are those extra code blue's all covid related? or are they from typical stuff thats exacerbated due to several months with emergency only care being given due to covid-19 restrictions?

i do appreciate that some of that info can truly be hospital to hospital based stuff.... but i'm trying to get some real world non-media filtered/biased feedback.


Sorry, Plant, only hospital administration would be able to answer questions as to reasons for individual code blues and how many ICU patients are covid or other causes. I have no inside info from administration, only that one nurse's individual observations plus one live TV interview from another nurse in a larger nearby hospital. AFAIK, Gov. Abbot's July 9 order suspending elective surgery is still in effect to free up space for covid patients. I, too, am somewhat skeptical on the 2nd hand reports filtered through news media.

The nurse on TV (from that larger hospital) stated that there were no designated covid beds available and the overflow was being treated in the emergency room last week. She was the one who mentioned the crowding was restricting crash cart access.

The convention center in that town is currently being re-purposed to house the covid overflow from area hospitals; military doctors and medical staff has been brought in to support hospital staff as needed and the overflow facility.

Regards,
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#3249268 - 07/30/20 04:06 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Remember when Gov. Andrew Cuomo went on the news with his daily Covid updates? Remember how he was frantic about not having enough hospital beds and ventilators? We all know about the fake ventilator shortage but is everyone aware of the grossly overstated need for more hospital beds? President Trump had the Army Corp. of Engineers build hospitals in record time and sent the Navy ship Comfort to assist. This is the story of how those resources went underutilized by Gov. Cuomo:

"By the time of Comfort’s departure, the approximately 1,200-person crew and 1,000-bed hospital had treated just 182 patients, of which approximately 70 percent had COVID-19, according to Capt. Patrick Amersbach, commanding officer of the Comfort’s Medical Treatment Facility."

"Underutilization of added medical resources in New York City is not unique to the Comfort. Thousands of hospital beds made available in a converted convention center have gone largely unused after quick assembly by the Army Corps of Engineers."


https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy...n-200-patients/
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#3249272 - 07/30/20 05:20 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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I'm sure you are not comparing Cuomo to Gov. Abbot smile , but yes Cuomo cried wolf, happily took all the federal aid provided, then put covid patients on the Comfort (which had been intended for non-covid use, thus contaminating that asset) and ultimately had the gaul to complain that he did not get sufficient support from the feds.

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#3249273 - 07/30/20 05:31 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: hm1996]
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Quote:

McAllen Convention Center to serve as COVID-19 care facility, governor says

WESLACO — Gov. Greg Abbott pledged more state support for recovery efforts in the Rio Grande Valley related to Hurricane Hanna and in the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic after touring the area and meeting with local leaders in the Mid-Valley on Tuesday.

Abbott said he viewed hurricane damage in the Valley in the air and on the ground, commenting on agricultural damage, property damage and ongoing power outages.

He said he issued a waiver on certain regulations related to commercial trucking in the state meant to address those power outages Tuesday afternoon.

“These suspensions will allow commercial drivers to more quickly deliver supplies, specifically electric power supplies, to communities in the Rio Grande Valley and the Coastal Bend impacted by Hurricane Hanna,” he said.

Abbott said that much of the conversation he had with local leadership Tuesday focused on preventing catastrophic flooding that’s become an annual event in the Rio Grande Valley. He stressed that effective solutions for the Valley’s drainage problems wouldn’t happen over night.

“When you start delivering solutions that involve containment or movement of water, it takes typically years for those projects to be completed,” he said.

Many of the governor’s announcements Tuesday related to pandemic aid headed to the Valley, including a plan to convert the McAllen Convention Center into a healthcare facility that can care for up to 250 COVID-19 patients. He says it’s opening later this week and will be supplied with hospital beds, medical equipment and medical staff.

“You got to hand it to the local leaders. It’s an enormous challenge for any local leader to step up and be able to address the challenges that come along with a hurricane. It’s even more challenging when you couple that with a pandemic. Our biggest concern with the hurricane was the challenge that it posed because of the pandemic, especially in the Rio Grande Valley,” he said.

Other pandemic aid the governor announced included medical supplies and medical professionals being sent south.

https://www.themonitor.com/2020/07/28/abbott-brings-word-storm-virus-aid-coming-rio-grande-valley/



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#3249275 - 07/30/20 07:06 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: hm1996]
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Originally Posted By: hm1996
I'm sure you are not comparing Cuomo to Gov. Abbot smile , but yes Cuomo cried wolf, happily took all the federal aid provided, then put covid patients on the Comfort (which had been intended for non-covid use, thus contaminating that asset) and ultimately had the gaul to complain that he did not get sufficient support from the feds.

Regards,
hm


Heck no hm, I'm not comparing an incompetent,leftist,Dem. governor to Governor Abbot. ohmy I'm sorry if I gave anyone that impression. scared

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#3249276 - 07/30/20 07:39 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Thanks ADK, I didn't think so. thumbup thumbup

Gov. Abbott has had his plate full in S. Tx. what with the hurricane on top of covid. Not sure how they are handling "social distancing" @ all the shelters for those whose homes are flooded. Still have flooding in three counties.

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#3249277 - 07/30/20 09:17 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Yes,we've been watching Hanna since it made landfall last Saturday. Can not believe how much rain has fallen in that area around Brownsville. 15-20 inches? Our thoughts and prayers go out to those folks.
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#3249282 - 07/30/20 11:32 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Yes, Those high teens were relatively small areas, but 15" fairly widespread. This was a strange hurricane...the wet side of a storm is usually the NW quadarant, this one was wet on S to SE side. Very flat country, drainage is pretty slow.

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#3249317 - 07/31/20 12:47 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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#3249332 - 07/31/20 01:52 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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I heard her ( I think same person) on the radio yesterday. I would not be surprised if she is on to something.
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#3249371 - 08/01/20 12:37 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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She lost me when she mentioned the other Doctors, one DR Stella Emmanuel is not one I would go to. Most people will not get a severe case of Covid 19, the severe case is the one that will kill you. A mild case and you can basically ride it out with fever fighting meds, a moderate, you need to go to a Doctor. All these experts mention whatthey use, but notice none of them tell what severity was the patient. One Doctor, told me a mild case is nothing to laugh at, but many people can shake it off, or as he said rub dirt on it and get back in the game.

Here are 2 articles about Dr Emmanuel, you south Texas guys, she is in Houston. your choice.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-imm...roxychloroquine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773
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#3249393 - 08/01/20 09:33 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: dogcatcher]
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
She lost me when she mentioned the other Doctors, one DR Stella Emmanuel is not one I would go to. Most people will not get a severe case of Covid 19, the severe case is the one that will kill you. A mild case and you can basically ride it out with fever fighting meds, a moderate, you need to go to a Doctor. All these experts mention whatthey use, but notice none of them tell what severity was the patient. One Doctor, told me a mild case is nothing to laugh at, but many people can shake it off, or as he said rub dirt on it and get back in the game.

Here are 2 articles about Dr Emmanuel, you south Texas guys, she is in Houston. your choice.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-imm...roxychloroquine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773


Dogcatcher, you are really quite amazing. You present your argument based on your opinion which is based on an article from the Daily Beast? Really? I am not a doctor but I strongly suspect that you are not a doctor either. Other than 'The Daily Beast' what is your medical expertise based on? I suspect that your 'research' went only as far as a Google search of hydroxychloroquine.
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#3249399 - 08/01/20 10:08 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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"The Lancet retracts large study on hydroxychloroquine"! Study failed to prove that hydroxychloroquine is helpful or harmful.



https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/lancet-retracts-large-study-hydroxychloroquine-n1225091
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#3249420 - 08/01/20 12:32 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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The Covid pandemic is somewhat reminiscent of days gone by in which many "Medicine Men" cruised the west by wagon, peddling their miracle cure "snake oil" remedies to heal the world. Prior to that, it was "water from the fountain of youth".

Today is no different; when people are concerned about their health, they are more susceptible to those who prey on these fears for fame or fortune.

As has been pointed out, there are however, those who have had at least limited success with their remedies, but all claim to have "the one". If the need arises, I plan to seek medical advice from one (or more) of my trusted local Doctors, as I have faith that he has done the research on the various claims, and is much more qualified than I to evaluate the efficacy of one over the other.

Regards,
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#3249425 - 08/01/20 01:12 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Infidel 762]
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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gHZ9AMiHbHE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>



Quack Quack Quack. Anyone seen any ducks around here. No. But I saw a quack on youtube.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-prevention-covid-19-study/


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#3249426 - 08/01/20 01:14 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Nicely said hm. The issue of healthcare and medicine becomes even more convoluted when politics before an election enters into it. Add to that the mainstream media picking sides and you have an impossible situation resulting in people dying.
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#3249430 - 08/01/20 01:20 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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https://fox4kc.com/news/president-trump-praises-doctor-who-claimed-alien-dna-was-used-in-medicine/

Quote:
WASHINGTON D.C. — President Donald Trump abruptly ended his press briefing on the coronavirus on Tuesday, July 29, after a series of questions about Dr. Stella Immanuel, a little-known Houston-based physician featured in a video the President retweeted

“Mr. President, the woman that you said is a great doctor in that video that you retweeted last night said masks don’t work and there is a cure for COVID-19, both of which health experts say is not true. She’s also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens, and that they’re trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from becoming religious,” a reporter asked.

Reporter Kaitlan Collins went on to press Trump: “It’s misinformation.”

“I don’t know which country she comes from, but she said that she’s had tremendous success with hundreds of different patients,” Trump said. “And I thought her voice was an important voice, but I know nothing about her.”

When Collins asked a follow-up question about Immanuel’s dismissal of wearing face masks — which Trump himself advocated last week — the President walked away from the podium, though on Wednesday he continued to say he was “very impressed” by Immanuel.

‘Patriotic’: Trump now appears to encourage masks as he preps COVID-19 briefings
On her website and in sermons posted on YouTube, Immanuel practices medicine at Rehoboth Medical Center, a clinic in Houston, and is the founder of the Fire Power Ministries church. On her website and in sermons posted on YouTube, she has, among other things, claimed that sex with “tormenting spirits” is responsible for gynecological problems, miscarriages and impotence.

“Many women suffer from astral sex regularly. Astral sex is the ability to project one’s spirit man into the victim’s body and have intercourse with it,” she once claimed in a sermon. Immanuel has not responded to CNN’s efforts to contact her for comment.

The Daily Beast also said that Immanuel has suggested in previous sermons that alien DNA was used in medical treatments and that scientists are plotting to develop a “vaccine” to make it impossible to become religious. The Daily Beast reported on her remarks on Tuesday, and, according to Immanuel, did a “great job summarizing our deliverance ministry and exposing incubus and succubus.”

Immanuel received her medical degree from a university in Nigeria in 1990, according to the Texas Medical Board database. On her Facebook page, Immanuel says she was born in Cameroon and describes herself as “God’s battle axe and weapon of war.”

In the video, which was livestreamed by the right-wing media outlet Breitbart News and shared by Trump on Monday, Immanuel makes claims about coronavirus that run counter to multiple studies and advice from public health officials, including the Trump administration’s own health experts. Breitbart did not respond to CNN’s request for comment.

Social media sites scrub viral video shared by Trump making false coronavirus claims
“This virus has a cure, it’s called hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and Zithromax,” Immanuel says, despite several high-quality studies that show the anti-malarial drug alone or in combination with others does not help Covid-19 patients.

She goes on to say, “I know people want to talk about a mask. Hello, you don’t need masks, there is a cure.”

She also claimed that hiccups were a direct sign of COVID-19. Hiccups are not one of many vetted and confirmed symptoms listed on health websites, including the CDC and the Mayo Clinic.

The video featured Immanuel among a group of people wearing white lab coats who call themselves “America’s Frontline Doctors” staging a press conference, organized by the Tea Party Patriots, in front of the US Supreme Court in Washington, DC.

The video was removed from Facebook, YouTube and Twitter after amassing millions of views and thousands of shares.

While she has alleged that face masks are unnecessary, Immanuel appears to be wearing an N95 mask in a video shared on her clinic’s Facebook page and encourages visitors to the clinic seeking treatment to wear face coverings.
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#3249432 - 08/01/20 01:27 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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"Quack Quack Quack. Anyone seen any ducks around here. No. But I saw a quack on youtube."

Yup,wading through Covid is a cerebral effort and that annoys some folks. Guess it's not getting to you. grin
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#3249433 - 08/01/20 01:30 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Happy to see you are not using the Daily Beast as your source.
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#3249434 - 08/01/20 01:34 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Happy to see you are not still using the Daily Beast as your source dog. But your source used the Daily Beast. lol rolleyes
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#3249455 - 08/01/20 07:22 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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#3249476 - 08/02/20 12:19 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: Coyotehunter_]
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Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
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Quack Quack Quack. Anyone seen any ducks around here. No. But I saw a quack on youtube.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-prevention-covid-19-study/


Your funny... you come post that chit then back it up with an article from cbs.

I posted that doctor’s video because she is actively treating COVID patients. She is not some MSM news article copy and paste. I think she has some valid points and all you have Is a cbs article.

I am not advocating hydroxychloroquine and I definitely don’t have any info on the witch doctor Mr infantryman man keeps posting about. doctors are being censored and their prescriptions are now being restricted by our govt. I am with her and all the other doctors who are saying the stay at home, wear a mask and live in fear is not the answer. The ones who stress the importance of our immune systems and how hiding and living in fear weakens it.

I don’t believe the numbers and fear the media is pushing down our throats, you and others obviously do, for you repost these yahoo’s articles. The numbers are not accurate and to much of this does not add up. I do not claim to know the truth, but I do know when I am being lied too... so come back at me with another MSM article to back up your opinion...

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#3249477 - 08/02/20 12:31 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: dogcatcher]
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
All these experts mention whatthey use, but notice none of them tell what severity was the patient. One Doctor, told me a mild case is nothing to laugh at, but many people can shake it off, or as he said rub dirt on it and get back in the game.

Here are 2 articles about Dr Emmanuel, you south Texas guys, she is in Houston. your choice.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-imm...roxychloroquine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773


She said “she is leading an 8000 patient practice through the COVID frontlines in Tampa Florida“... I am sure she has treated the spectrum of cases... why do you keep referring to some witch doctor in Houston?

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#3249486 - 08/02/20 09:37 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: Infidel 762]
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Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
All these experts mention whatthey use, but notice none of them tell what severity was the patient. One Doctor, told me a mild case is nothing to laugh at, but many people can shake it off, or as he said rub dirt on it and get back in the game.

Here are 2 articles about Dr Emmanuel, you south Texas guys, she is in Houston. your choice.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-imm...roxychloroquine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773


She said “she is leading an 8000 patient practice through the COVID frontlines in Tampa Florida“... I am sure she has treated the spectrum of cases... why do you keep referring to some witch doctor in Houston?


He gets his information from the leftist fake news and actually believes it. rolleyes
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#3249495 - 08/02/20 10:48 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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There were a couple of nurses in my county that sent in clean, un-used swabs that came back positive. I bet you won't hear about it on the MSM though.
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#3249502 - 08/02/20 11:54 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: Savage250]
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There were a couple of nurses in my county that sent in clean, un-used swabs that came back positive. I bet you won't hear about it on the MSM though.


seriously? wow!

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#3249581 - 08/03/20 01:55 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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The Media Sabotage of Hydroxychloroquine Use for COVID-19: Doctors Worldwide Protest the Disaster
Media and Big Pharma are in lockstep to suppress a cheap, life-saving Covid-19 therapy in order to reap pandemic-sized profits!



https://www.globalresearch.ca/media-sabo...isaster/5717382
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#3249594 - 08/03/20 04:28 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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#3249596 - 08/03/20 05:52 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Originally Posted By: ADK
The Media Sabotage of Hydroxychloroquine Use for COVID-19: Doctors Worldwide Protest the Disaster
Media and Big Pharma are in lockstep to suppress a cheap, life-saving Covid-19 therapy in order to reap pandemic-sized profits!

https://www.globalresearch.ca/media-sabo...isaster/5717382



Exactly, “The same ones that sell the fear, sell the vaccine”…

All across social media and the news, doctors are being censored. A lot of conspiracy theories make sense but the only thing I am certain of is that I am not getting the truth.

I am afraid all you anti-Trumpers are going to get what you want. I just never thought I would see Americans fall for socialism. All great empires have fallen, America had its time...

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#3249597 - 08/03/20 05:54 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: ADK
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
All these experts mention whatthey use, but notice none of them tell what severity was the patient. One Doctor, told me a mild case is nothing to laugh at, but many people can shake it off, or as he said rub dirt on it and get back in the game.

Here are 2 articles about Dr Emmanuel, you south Texas guys, she is in Houston. your choice.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-imm...roxychloroquine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773


She said “she is leading an 8000 patient practice through the COVID frontlines in Tampa Florida“... I am sure she has treated the spectrum of cases... why do you keep referring to some witch doctor in Houston?


He gets his information from the leftist fake news and actually believes it. rolleyes


He not only believes it, he further spreads it. He does not even read into what the DRs are saying before he parrots the leftist viewpoint... this is their consensus to what he stated above;

Quote:
Santa Monica cardiologist Dr. Dan Wohlgelernter said in a June 18 interview:

“I’ve prescribed it…recommended it to people…had conversations with physicians literally around the globe in Israel and Italy and England and the east coast of the United States, and I’ve read the literature extensively. Hydroxychloroquine definitely has a role; that role is specific. It’s an antiviral agent that is effective in early stages of infection; when used in that context it is effective and it is safe. Unfortunately, there have been studies that have looked at hydroxychloroquine in the wrong context; looked at it in severely critically ill people in the hospital setting. At that point the antiviral isn’t effective because you’ve gone beyond viral infection to an immune mediated widespread inflammatory reaction, so that was the wrong population to look at hydroxychloroquine.

That kind of study, that sabotage, is the whole story about hydroxychloroquine…it was obvious that hydroxychloroquine would fail in that context. Hydroxychloroquine has been reported to have heart toxicity and as a cardiologist I’m intimately aware of this literature and I’m familiar with hydroxychloroquine.

The study that was most specific in looking at the cardiac issues specifically with rhythm abnormalities was done in the East Coast in the New York area where they looked at 200 patients and carefully monitored their EKGs and looked for arrhythmias and they found no serious arrhythmias in any of those patients.

This is an FDA approved drug for 65 years; it’s generic, cheap, widely available. We give it to pregnant women, to breastfeeding women, to elderly patients, to patients who are immune-compromised…”[xxxii]

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#3249608 - 08/03/20 09:29 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Infidel 762]
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The link below (posted by Foxpro.223) is a 3 hour session of the subject summit meeting of many clinical doctors that was scrubbed from social media last week. There is information on many topics including masks, social distancing, and supplements to boost your immune system.



Be sure to watch last few minutes of above video. Can't help but wonder how much harassment Dr. Jensen is getting is from big pharma and how much is due to his political affiliation.

Dr. Scott Jensen is also a Republican MN state Senator

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#3249616 - 08/03/20 11:16 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Infidel 762]
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Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
All these experts mention whatthey use, but notice none of them tell what severity was the patient. One Doctor, told me a mild case is nothing to laugh at, but many people can shake it off, or as he said rub dirt on it and get back in the game.

Here are 2 articles about Dr Emmanuel, you south Texas guys, she is in Houston. your choice.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-imm...roxychloroquine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773


She said “she is leading an 8000 patient practice through the COVID frontlines in Tampa Florida“... I am sure she has treated the spectrum of cases... why do you keep referring to some witch doctor in Houston?


Because Doctor Stella Immanuel has her medical practice in Houston, right next door to her church.
[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/CJrJG9xymts[/video]
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#3249620 - 08/03/20 11:56 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: dogcatcher]
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
All these experts mention whatthey use, but notice none of them tell what severity was the patient. One Doctor, told me a mild case is nothing to laugh at, but many people can shake it off, or as he said rub dirt on it and get back in the game.

Here are 2 articles about Dr Emmanuel, you south Texas guys, she is in Houston. your choice.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-imm...roxychloroquine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773


She said “she is leading an 8000 patient practice through the COVID frontlines in Tampa Florida“... I am sure she has treated the spectrum of cases... why do you keep referring to some witch doctor in Houston?


Because Doctor Stella Immanuel has her medical practice in Houston, right next door to her church.
[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/CJrJG9xymts[/video]


I see who you are talking about now.., she is f^€ked up... but that still does not discredit all the other doctors. She will not keep me distracted from what is really going on, and she is just a person I can ignore.... our a Government on the other hand is a different story....

Edit added;

Trump’s Own words about her;

“I don’t know which country she comes from, but she said that she’s had tremendous success with hundreds of different patients,” Trump said. “And I thought her voice was an important voice, but I know nothing about her.”


People mention agreeing with her cause she supports the use of Hydroxychloroquine and you guys try to twist it around like she is their spiritual advisor or sum sh!t


Edited by Infidel 762 (08/04/20 12:04 AM)

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#3249648 - 08/04/20 11:32 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: Infidel 762]
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Originally Posted By: Infidel 762

People mention agreeing with her cause she supports the use of Hydroxychloroquine and you guys try to twist it around like she is their spiritual advisor or sum sh!t


that was the first thing the news twisted it all around as - because of course team trump put her out front. since they couldn't go after her as a woman of color, they found whatever they could to discredit her, and therefor the whole press conference. because you know... orange man bad or whatever.
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#3249760 - 08/05/20 02:18 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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There have been over 3 million Americans tested positive, There is no record of the number as the severity of cases, as in mild, moderate or severe cases. A lot of those 3 plus million people are now testing negative. A lot of those mild cases were not hospitalized nor did they take HQC. Their body using over the counter fever reducers fought off the virus. My question to all of these Doctors claiming HQC as the miracle drug that cured them, was the HQC necessary or would they have gotten over it without???

We have also heard a lot of stories of people that claimed they had the virus before it was even a pandemic issue, how did all of those people treat it? Was it a miracle, or a simple Tylenol to fight off the fever and the body self healed? People take acetaminophen (Tylenol, others) or ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin IB, others) (Tylenol, others) or ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin IB, others) to reduce a fever. Or did they just ride it out and the body naturally kick the fever.
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#3249779 - 08/05/20 12:18 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: tnshootist]
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And Fauci with 4 others own the patent on it, how much in royalties is that worth?
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#3250119 - 08/10/20 10:12 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: Infidel 762]
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Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
Originally Posted By: Coyotehunter_
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gHZ9AMiHbHE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>



Quack Quack Quack. Anyone seen any ducks around here. No. But I saw a quack on youtube.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-prevention-covid-19-study/


Your funny... you come post that chit then back it up with an article from cbs.

I posted that doctor’s video because she is actively treating COVID patients. She is not some MSM news article copy and paste. I think she has some valid points and all you have Is a cbs article.

I am not advocating hydroxychloroquine and I definitely don’t have any info on the witch doctor Mr infantryman man keeps posting about. doctors are being censored and their prescriptions are now being restricted by our govt. I am with her and all the other doctors who are saying the stay at home, wear a mask and live in fear is not the answer. The ones who stress the importance of our immune systems and how hiding and living in fear weakens it.

I don’t believe the numbers and fear the media is pushing down our throats, you and others obviously do, for you repost these yahoo’s articles. The numbers are not accurate and to much of this does not add up. I do not claim to know the truth, but I do know when I am being lied too... so come back at me with another MSM article to back up your opinion...


Well if you don't like cbs or msnbc you can go look at the CDC web site. Ha ha. Try to discredit that one! The problem with right wing radicals is that they listen to the likes of Rush and other Wacko Right Wing extremist talk radio show host. Political wackos is a better name for those guys.
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#3250126 - 08/10/20 11:26 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: Coyotehunter_]
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[/quote]





Well if you don't like cbs or msnbc you can go look at the CDC web site. Ha ha. Try to discredit that one! The problem with right wing radicals is that they listen to the likes of Rush and other Wacko Right Wing extremist talk radio show host. Political wackos is a better name for those guys.
[/quote]

The CDC says to open schools this fall. What do you think about that?
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#3250152 - 08/10/20 04:51 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Coyotehunter_]
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Originally Posted By: Coyotehunter_
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
Originally Posted By: Coyotehunter_
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gHZ9AMiHbHE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>



Quack Quack Quack. Anyone seen any ducks around here. No. But I saw a quack on youtube.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-prevention-covid-19-study/


Your funny... you come post that chit then back it up with an article from cbs.

I posted that doctor’s video because she is actively treating COVID patients. She is not some MSM news article copy and paste. I think she has some valid points and all you have Is a cbs article.

I am not advocating hydroxychloroquine and I definitely don’t have any info on the witch doctor Mr infantryman man keeps posting about. doctors are being censored and their prescriptions are now being restricted by our govt. I am with her and all the other doctors who are saying the stay at home, wear a mask and live in fear is not the answer. The ones who stress the importance of our immune systems and how hiding and living in fear weakens it.

I don’t believe the numbers and fear the media is pushing down our throats, you and others obviously do, for you repost these yahoo’s articles. The numbers are not accurate and to much of this does not add up. I do not claim to know the truth, but I do know when I am being lied too... so come back at me with another MSM article to back up your opinion...


Well if you don't like cbs or msnbc you can go look at the CDC web site. Ha ha. Try to discredit that one! The problem with right wing radicals is that they listen to the likes of Rush and other Wacko Right Wing extremist talk radio show host. Political wackos is a better name for those guys.


Nice try… The CDC provides MSM with the numbers I do not believe are accurate… like if you die in a motorcycle accident and then test positive it counts towards their total of Covid deaths.

Like I said I am not a Doctor, so you win this argument… Make sure you wear your mask just like the CDC says…

You should have seen how nasty all the coyotes were that I handled yesterday without gloves in the 90 degree heat, the ticks I removed from me when I got home and the gas stations I went into without a mask for my coffee… and last night after the enjoyment of the day ended, it was not rabies, lyme or Covid I began to worry about, it is where we are headed if you anti-Trumpers get what you want and he loses…

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#3250289 - 08/13/20 01:08 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Spend some time researching "Denial Syndrome"
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#3250295 - 08/13/20 09:00 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: dogcatcher]
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
Spend some time researching "Denial Syndrome"


I did, and this came up:

"Liberal denial is the tendency of liberals to conceal, deny, or censor the facts for ideological reasons."
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#3250370 - 08/14/20 04:17 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Infidel 762]
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Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
Originally Posted By: Coyotehunter_
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
Originally Posted By: Coyotehunter_
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gHZ9AMiHbHE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>



Quack Quack Quack. Anyone seen any ducks around here. No. But I saw a quack on youtube.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-prevention-covid-19-study/


Your funny... you come post that chit then back it up with an article from cbs.

I posted that doctor’s video because she is actively treating COVID patients. She is not some MSM news article copy and paste. I think she has some valid points and all you have Is a cbs article.

I am not advocating hydroxychloroquine and I definitely don’t have any info on the witch doctor Mr infantryman man keeps posting about. doctors are being censored and their prescriptions are now being restricted by our govt. I am with her and all the other doctors who are saying the stay at home, wear a mask and live in fear is not the answer. The ones who stress the importance of our immune systems and how hiding and living in fear weakens it.

I don’t believe the numbers and fear the media is pushing down our throats, you and others obviously do, for you repost these yahoo’s articles. The numbers are not accurate and to much of this does not add up. I do not claim to know the truth, but I do know when I am being lied too... so come back at me with another MSM article to back up your opinion...


Well if you don't like cbs or msnbc you can go look at the CDC web site. Ha ha. Try to discredit that one! The problem with right wing radicals is that they listen to the likes of Rush and other Wacko Right Wing extremist talk radio show host. Political wackos is a better name for those guys.


Nice try… The CDC provides MSM with the numbers I do not believe are accurate… like if you die in a motorcycle accident and then test positive it counts towards their total of Covid deaths.

Like I said I am not a Doctor, so you win this argument… Make sure you wear your mask just like the CDC says…

You should have seen how nasty all the coyotes were that I handled yesterday without gloves in the 90 degree heat, the ticks I removed from me when I got home and the gas stations I went into without a mask for my coffee… and last night after the enjoyment of the day ended, it was not rabies, lyme or Covid I began to worry about, it is where we are headed if you anti-Trumpers get what you want and he loses…



You mean the CDC website "this week"? The CDC has flip flopped so many times there "facts" are just weekly opinions.
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#3250378 - 08/14/20 08:19 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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CBP Chief Blames Agent COVID-19 Deaths on Illegal Aliens, Ignores Mad Legal Border Traffic

Four months after Judicial Watch reported that unwavering cross border traffic is putting U.S. Customs and Border Protecting (CBP) agents along the Mexican border at high risk of contracting COVID-19, the head of the agency admits at least 10 have died from the Chinese virus. Though the State Department restricted transit between the U.S. and Mexico back in early April, southern border crossings remain hotbeds of traffic that jeopardize the health of federal agents charged with screening the influx and potentially spread the virus to American communities. CBP sources have long expressed concern about the risks to frontline agents, especially after a Mexican hospital overrun by COVID-19 was forced to close near the busiest U.S. border crossing in Arizona months ago.

Mexican media reported that a nurse died at the facility, Hospital de San Luis Rio Colorado, and more than 30 doctors and nurses were sick with the virus. At least 20 doctors were also infected. Nevertheless, the nearby San Luis crossing remains the busiest along the southern border with consistently lengthy wait times. Veteran CBP agent Patricia Cramer, who also serves as president of the Arizona chapter of the agency’s employee union, says the San Luis crossing is “crazy busy” with wait times up to six hours. Cramer reminds that agents must have contact with every single person that enters the country and months ago warned that not only are front line officers being exposed, but entire communities as well. With more than 60,000 employees, CBP is charged with keeping terrorists and their weapons out of the U.S. while facilitating lawful international travel and trade. The agency’s largest component is the Office of Field Operations (OFO) which is responsible for border security and has a staff of about 28,000. The Border Patrol is next with a workforce of 20,000 patrolling 6,000 miles of American land borders.

COVID-19 has hit the agency hard sources tell Judicial Watch, though there has been little media coverage or official acknowledgement from management. Last week CBP Commissioner Mark Morgan finally revealed that 10 agents have died in the line of duty after contracting COVID-19. Morgan did not mention the busy and legal cross border traffic that agents have complained about for months while the government claims to enforce travel restrictions. Instead he focused on illegal immigration and seemed to blame agent infections on an epidemic of undocumented aliens, though OFO has also been hit hard and those agents deal with legal cross border traffic. In July CBP had around 40,000 encounters with illegal border crossers, Morgan said during a press conference that lasted roughly 40 minutes. Even though some illegal immigrants know or suspect they have COVID-19, Morgan says they still come into the U.S. “They’re exposing everyone they come in contact with during their journey, as they illegally try to enter this country,” he said, adding that “they endanger the lives of CBP personnel and their families and those in our border communities and beyond.” Many illegal immigrants leave border towns and cities, possibly infecting hundreds of others in the U.S. workforce, according to Morgan.

The CBP commissioner went on and on blaming illegal immigrants for his agency’s COVID-19 crisis, revealing that migrants continue to ignore stay at home orders in their country while American citizens make tremendous sacrifices to fight the spread of the disease. Further spreading COVID-19 are the overcrowded and unsanitary conditions that criminal organizations and smugglers provide for migrants in overcrowded stash houses and tractor trailers that sit in hot deserts. “These places are akin to an oven in the sweltering heat of the Southern border,” Morgan said. He provided the media pictures of illegal immigrant stash houses and offered a compelling “backdrop of COVID-19” featuring illegal aliens packed in deplorable conditions. The CBP commissioner also revealed that in July 78% of enforcement encounters were migrants from Mexico, many single adult men. “This new surge of single adult Mexican males are not simply turning themselves over to the United States border patrol like we saw families do this time last year,” Morgan said. “They’re running, they’re fighting. They’re doing everything that they can to avoid apprehension.” Cramer, the veteran CBP agent and union president, assures illegal immigration is not the biggest COVID-19 risk to frontline agents. Despite U.S. travel “restrictions,” customs officers in the OFO unit handle massive amounts of traffic daily, especially in the Nogales and San Luis ports of entry. “Nothing has changed in four months,” Cramer told Judicial Watch this week. “Even though Mexico is boiling with COVID-19 cross border traffic is busier than ever,” she said.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption...=20200812170238

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#3250458 - 08/16/20 03:59 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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It blows my [beeep] mind people still follow the mainstream media... these people are all ether progressive or over a certain age range, I have a hard time just talking to my parents because they're hardcore media watching baby boomers, heads straight up the butt of the media and they think they're catching hershy kisses.


.....dorra the explorer kids cartoon gets more views than CNN, most arent far behind ether, and fox is just sniffing right wing politicians jock straps.

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#3251145 - 08/26/20 05:49 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Boy howdy, I see MSM has story about the "super spreader Sturgis" event. Numbers are starting to roll in. up to 103 verified cases tied to Sturgis. Out of how many, 500,000+ people that didn't practice social distancing, or wear masks...….gee whiz, ALL of those doomsday predicters that were saying that large gatherings were bad are now probably doing two things, praying for another 50,000 positive cases to arise that can be directly tied to the event, and/or looking for the next BIG story to make everyone forget just how wrong they were about the event being the "super spreader" that they predicted.
Thankfully South Dakota got it right, come and have a good time, support our economy if you'd like and don't fear the covid, and those that don't want to come because of the fear, stay home. No reason to cancel because of the RONA....
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#3252464 - 09/15/20 02:12 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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A guy at my gun club was a non-believer of covid and did not wear a mask. He's been in the hospital for a week now and not doing very good so I'm told. And its covid, not a common case of flu or a cold. Take it or leave it.....your choice. Choose wisely.
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#3252518 - 09/16/20 02:32 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: pyscodog]
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Yep, numbers are just that, until those numbers begin to include one's friends, family and neighbors (some of which do not make it).

Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Take it or leave it.....your choice. Choose wisely.


Carry on.

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#3252540 - 09/16/20 08:51 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Concerning masks, I researched most of the studies beginning in 2020 and back to 2016. The conclusion of each of them was that wearing a mask does not significantly reduce transmission of the flu. Even the beloved CDC recently issued a statement which said the N95 masks with the filters did not work in reducing transmission. They also added that most cloth masks did nothing to help and those gaiters a lot of people are wearing, actually made it worse. Wearing a mask reduces your oxygen level below OSHA standards and now there are people complaining of dry eyes due to the warm air escaping from atop the mask.

If you want to research something else, begin with the vaccine that is soon to be released. Check out the work of Communist Fauci and Comrade Gates. Look at the number of children who were crippled or injured in India, Italy, and south Africa when they were injected with one of Gate's vaccines.
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#3252544 - 09/16/20 09:35 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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LOL, I bet those dry eyes are sure worse than a ventilator shoved down your throat.Do what you want. 200,000 dead people aren't around to argue and I won't waste my time and yours. I personally don't care what you do. I wear a mask.


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#3252548 - 09/16/20 10:18 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Wear one if you want, but don't forget the facemask and goggles that Fauchi is now recommending.
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#3252549 - 09/16/20 10:58 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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The guy from the club didn't think a mask would help either. He's in his second week in the hospital. He may think different if he gets out.... alive.
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#3252591 - 09/17/20 02:40 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: R.Shaw]
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The following statistics make it a bit easier to see why opinions regarding Covid vary so greatly depending upon one's location. This is a very large country with widely varying population density, so one size does not fit all.

Are masks effective in preventing infection? IDK, but where I live, with current conditions, I think I'll continue to wear a mask. wink

This article credits one death and 75 new cases in 6 Nebraska counties over 2 day period recently, the county adjacent to us reported 325 new cases overnight.
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New COVID-19-related death, more cases in central Nebraska

By Lorena Carmona
Published: Sep. 15, 2020 at 7:19 AM CDT

HASTINGS, KEARNEY, GRAND ISLAND, Neb. (KSNB) - The South Heartland District Health Department (SHDHD) reported a COVID-19-related death within the district.

“We extend our condolences to the family,” South Heartland District Heartland executive director Michele Bever said. “This was an Adams County man in his 70s, who was hospitalized, with no known underlying health conditions and no known exposure to a positive case.”....................

From Friday through Sunday, the Two Rivers Public Health Department reported 75 new cases of the virus. Most of the cases are out of Buffalo County.

COVID-19 cases from September 11 - September 13

Buffalo County: 52
Dawson County: 8
Phelps County: 7
Gosper County: 4
Kearney County: 3
Harlan County: 1
https://www.ksnblocal4.com/2020/09/15/new-covid-19-related-death-more-cases-in-central-nebraska/


Google says
Total Nebraska Cases to date=39419, total Covid Deaths= 455

Our county's Total Cases = 22,296, total Covid Deaths= 854

The adjacent county
reports.....Total Cases = 30,046,...total Covid Deaths=1470

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#3252593 - 09/17/20 03:23 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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I understand fully about the numbers. To bad there isn't a better way but its all we have. My thoughts, I hate these dam masks, but at my age if wearing it may give me a slight edge, then I'll wear the dang thing. Its a lot better than being in the hospital opening morning of deer season. Wearing a mask isn't going to kill you. Covid might.


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#3252598 - 09/17/20 03:49 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: pyscodog]
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^^^Yep, w/score of 84/60 (84YO/60% lung cap'y.), me too. Not a gambler anyway and I don't like those odds. smile

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#3252609 - 09/17/20 07:48 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: R.Shaw]
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Concerning masks,

You need to learn how to research better. The current Director of the CDC just said this week in under oath testimony in the US Senate that wearing a mask protected him better than the vaccine would.

You are confused and have no clue what you are talking about. There are various kinds of mask with different filtering system. N95 is one of the better paper type masks. The materials used in a N95 NIOSH certified mask can filter out virus particles down to very small microns in size. And there are even better masks that can filter out virus. These use screw in filter cartridges in Powered Air Purifying Respirators (PAPR)like you see in Research labs that work with virus every day. If they didn't work then the workers were all be sick and that does not happen. And if N95 didn't work all the hospital workers would be sick with the virus and the hospitals would have to close down. So that alone proves you have no clue what you are talking about.

The masks that don't really protect You when you wear them are the paper masks. These cheap masks won't filter out small particles like virus. But they will stop larger particles that are carrying attached smaller viruses on them. Large droplets that spew out of one's mouth when we talk. These paper masks are worn to stop an infected person from spewing larger spit droplets out of their mouth. We wear these masks to slow the spread of virus particles from infected people.

Get your facts straight and stop parroting that idiot Trump.

I so stick of stupid people that have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to this virus.


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#3252623 - 09/17/20 09:54 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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You are going to lecture me on how to conduct research when your's consists of listening to someone testify on TV? If testimony is the gold standard, I once heard a man testify that WTC7 collapsed due to office fires. Here are a few headlines to use as examples and it took less than 5 minutes.

American Airlines bans face masks with vents or valves, becomes latest carrier to announce the policy

Neck Gaiters for COVID-19 Worse Than No Face Covering At All

CDC: Masks With Valves or Vents Not Effective - AARP


And this quote from the CDC

Masks are recommended as a simple barrier to help prevent respiratory droplets from traveling into the air and onto other people when the person wearing the mask coughs, sneezes, talks, or raises their voice. This is called source control.

Masks are to protect those around you. Not prevent you from getting the virus. That is unless you are wearing one of those over the counter masks with those screw in canisters. How many of those have I observed? Exactly zero.


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#3252638 - 09/18/20 12:35 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Masks are nothing more than a symbol of submission. People who insist in forcing everyone to wear them are highly suggestable slaves.

Coronavirus is a democrat and chineese communist party bioweapon being used against the USA to destroy the economy and our freedom. The demnocrat party is a party sympathetic to communists and communism.


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#3254027 - 10/05/20 08:56 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Seven months into the Covid virus we now know that 997 of every 1000 infected Americans survive the virus. We've damaged our economy,perhaps beyond repair. We've cheated our children out of an education,perhaps damaging them for life. We've condemned thousands of elderly Americans to dying alone in nursing homes. We've suspended the God given rights guaranteed to us in the U.S. Constitution. Why? Because we remain cowering from a virus that has become less and less deadly as time goes on. The land of the 'free and the brave' has become the land of cowards.
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#3254036 - 10/05/20 10:14 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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sheep. bunch of friggin sheep. you see it all around you. if joe blow would drive off a cliff, 5 others would surely follow.

dumb sheep at that.

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#3254042 - 10/05/20 10:30 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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So your saying 3 out of 1000 die? What about all the rest that spend weeks in the hospital? Granted not all end up there but a bunch do. I have a friend thats on his 5th week there. Just today in a small town outside of Tulsa a Jr high school closed down because 5 teachers tested positive. That means 5 classrooms of children are exposed to the virus and they bring it home and expose their families. How many are in contact with them?? Your blatant neglect of how serious this virus is is the reason we will never get rid of it. Trump got it, his wife got it, half the people in the WH have it. Pull your head out and do your part to help stop it. Your comment of "free and the brave" reminds me of an old joke. "Anyone can quit smoking...it takes a man to face cancer" Sounds kinda stupid doesn't it? If not wanting myself or my family and friends to not catch the virus makes us cowards, its better than being stupid. So you just go head on and be brave. Pray that your "bravery" doesn't kill you or your family.
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#3254050 - 10/05/20 11:25 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Seven months into the Covid virus we now know that 997 of every 1000 infected Americans survive the virus.



I don't know where you got these numbers, but for sake of argument we will use them. So 3 people die....what if those three were your best friends that you've know all your life? What if they were your wife and kids? What if they were your Mom and Dad and brother,Grand parents? How many people have to die before the number is great enough that you start caring? If social distancing and wearing a mask would save their lives, would it have been worth it. If not, you only care about yourself and everyone else, well I guess that's just to bad.

You can call me a coward or sheep. I been called worse by better people. I don't care. I will continue to wear a mask and do all I can to keep myself, my family and friends as safe as possible. Calling me names only tells me and others that all you care about is yourself. So if it makes you feel good go ahead. I do know wearing a mask doesn't hurt near as bad as wearing a ventilator.
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#3254063 - 10/06/20 06:34 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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So long as people keep submitting they will keep advancing the goal post closer to full on socialism.

What do democrats have planned for the coming flu season....martial law and a complete shut down of society while they allow blm/antifa to burn loot and murder.







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#3254065 - 10/06/20 07:38 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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At this point refusing to submit by not wearing a mask in public is like pissing in the ocean.
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#3254066 - 10/06/20 07:39 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Psycho,please calm down and show me where I have said you should not wear a mask. You can't! I wear a mask,I wash my hands,I socially distance. That's the trouble with some people,mostly democrats,they think with their emotions and not their brain. Calm down and read my post again,perhaps you'll learn something.
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#3254074 - 10/06/20 10:11 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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about 3000 deaths per year from aspirin. Maybe it should be taken off the shelves because a friend or a loved one died from taking aspirin. No, probably not.

As a society we've learned that some risks are worth it. Such as the risk of taking aspirin. A few people will die from taking it, BUT it's a risk that we as a society have learned to accept. One life lost to covid sucks, especially when it was a loved one of yours. BUT we have to ask ourselves at what number of lives lost is acceptable, and at what cost? Is millions of people losing their income worth it, losing everything they've worked for in building a business, only to lose that because of totally shutting down the economy. How many lives lost before that seems to be over stepping our acceptable number of loss of life? Is it 10,000? Is it 100,000? Is it a million?

So as we move forward, it's obvious that our modern health system is getting better at treating the covid virus. Fewer people are losing their lives to it as we move forward. SO, at what point do we open economy at let people live?
If we were to ask Psyco, he would probably say to wait longer than many others would. BUT some where along the line, even he will have to realize that some life lost has to be acceptable so that the society as a whole can get back to living normal lives.

Masks apparently do help slow the spread, but they sure as [beeep] don't stop the spread. One would only need to see how well a mask works by stepping out into a cold crisp morning, where you can see your breath. With a mask on, you will still see your breath.

Would be interesting to see some kind of research that showed how many people got the covid, that were religious mask wearers. I'll be there's a bunch of people that got it, even though they wore their masks.

Much like the flu, covid isn't going away in our life time. BUT there will be a time in the near future where we can get a "covid" shot, much like we currently can go get a flu shot.
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#3254076 - 10/06/20 11:46 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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AL kept the mask mandate to 08 November. The reason being that we've seen a steady decline in cases since requiring them & it's working.

Next door, on the same day, MS dropped their mask requirement. For the same reason.
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#3254096 - 10/06/20 06:57 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: songdog]
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about 3000 deaths per year from aspirin. Maybe it should be taken off the shelves because a friend or a loved one died from taking aspirin. No, probably not.


This analogy is ridiculous, when has one person taking an aspirin MADE another person take an aspirin.
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#3254113 - 10/06/20 11:17 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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The sad truth to this is how easily the general public will submit and excpet tyranny with blind obedience and unquestionable submission. Obviously the numbers continue to be skewed on purpose to keep people confused, dumb and divided.

This has been a good beta test for them as it will likely be used more often now in the future knowing how effective and easy it is to wage a propaganda campaign and how easy it is to get the sheep to bend for it.

I used to wonder how hitler was able to get away with so much during the weimar and third reich and stalin in the soviet union...I now have a better understanding of it as this is the same mentality that is going on here in our society today.

In some places the leftists have people informing on their neighbors over all this BS. Now if that isn't out of the third reich or soviet union.

The bottom line is however

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#3254139 - 10/07/20 09:31 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: dogcatcher]
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This analogy is ridiculous, when has one person taking an aspirin MADE another person take an aspirin.
Maybe, but it shows that society has chosen to live with some things that threaten some lives. Much of society has chosen to take and live with the risk.


SO how about this, all those that are worried about getting and spreading covid just stay home. Those that are of high risk of death from the covid if they were to be infected. No reason to go any where any more. After all, You can get all things delivered to your house, so just stay indoors and let everyone else that are not afraid of taking the risk, get on with their lives, with the acceptance of the risk. No one is making you go anywhere. Just like no one making you take an aspirin.


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#3254154 - 10/07/20 12:19 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Psycho,please calm down and show me where I have said you should not wear a mask. You can't, because I did'nt say it. I wear a mask. I wash my hands and I socially distance. That's the trouble with some people,mostly democrats,they think with their emotions and not their brain. Calm down and read my post again,perhaps you'll learn something.


Where did Psycho go? rolleyes
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#3254158 - 10/07/20 01:43 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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The orthodox jews in NY are seeing through it and are no longer buying into governor goodfellas BS. Good for them.

Originally Posted By: USSA News
New York Jews Burn Pile Of Face Masks In Defiance Of Gov. Cuomo’s Lockdown Restrictions

October 7, 2020 Constitutional Nobody News

A large group of Orthodox Jews set fire to a pile of face masks in Brooklyn on Tuesday night in protest of Governor Andrew Cuomo’s COVID lockdown orders.

Cuomo had warned the Jewish community on Monday not to attend large gatherings, and threatened to shut down their synagogues if they refused to comply, even admitting that would violate their religious liberty.

“I have to say to the Orthodox community tomorrow, ‘If you’re not willing to live with these rules, then I’m going to close the Orthodox Jews gathered anyway in celebration of their week-long holiday Sukkot and in protest of Cuomo and Mayor Mike de Blasio’s lockdown threats, burning a pile of masks in the street.

The NYPD soon arrived and began rounding up Jews for exercising their First Amendment right to peaceably assemble and observe their religious holiday.

President Trump even weighed in on the use of force against Jews gathering in protest of Cuomo’s unconstitutional lockdown orders.

“Wow, what does this grim picture remind you of? I am the only thing in the Radical Left’s way! VOTE,” Trump tweeted Wednesday.

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#3254159 - 10/07/20 02:01 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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they call trump hitler, but its a democrat who's actually threatened American jews
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#3254161 - 10/07/20 02:25 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: songdog
about 3000 deaths per year from aspirin. Maybe it should be taken off the shelves because a friend or a loved one died from taking aspirin. No, probably not.


This analogy is ridiculous, when has one person taking an aspirin MADE another person take an aspirin.


Would it be ridiculous to test for aspirin in the system of everyone who dies and then attribute all those deaths as aspirin deaths?

Originally Posted By: Foxpro.223
The sad truth to this is how easily the general public will submit and excpet tyranny with blind obedience and unquestionable submission. Obviously the numbers continue to be skewed on purpose to keep people confused, dumb and divided.

And even with their inflated numbers they just cannot get the death rate high enough to gain full compliance. All fear can be justified. I stand with Israel! Free Kyle!

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#3254163 - 10/07/20 02:33 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Foxpro.223]
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The orthodox jews in NY are seeing through it and are no longer buying into governor goodfellas BS. Good for them.

Originally Posted By: USSA News
New York Jews Burn Pile Of Face Masks In Defiance Of Gov. Cuomo’s Lockdown Restrictions

October 7, 2020 Constitutional Nobody News

A large group of Orthodox Jews set fire to a pile of face masks in Brooklyn on Tuesday night in protest of Governor Andrew Cuomo’s COVID lockdown orders.

Cuomo had warned the Jewish community on Monday not to attend large gatherings, and threatened to shut down their synagogues if they refused to comply, even admitting that would violate their religious liberty.

“I have to say to the Orthodox community tomorrow, ‘If you’re not willing to live with these rules, then I’m going to close the Orthodox Jews gathered anyway in celebration of their week-long holiday Sukkot and in protest of Cuomo and Mayor Mike de Blasio’s lockdown threats, burning a pile of masks in the street.

The NYPD soon arrived and began rounding up Jews for exercising their First Amendment right to peaceably assemble and observe their religious holiday.

President Trump even weighed in on the use of force against Jews gathering in protest of Cuomo’s unconstitutional lockdown orders.

“Wow, what does this grim picture remind you of? I am the only thing in the Radical Left’s way! VOTE,” Trump tweeted Wednesday.

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sadly Cuomo is just another puppet. It is being done and pushed down from a much higher level that cannot be undone and or un f%$ked... This is just the beginning... Bye Bye America we once stood for...

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#3255458 - 10/22/20 09:51 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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If President Trump wants to stop this he needs to listen to real doctors not the people who call themselves scientists who are really nothing but corrupt bureaucrats selling snake oil to keep our economy shut down.

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#3255500 - 10/23/20 02:45 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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#3255634 - 10/25/20 12:18 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Fauci is a fraud and the CDC is corrupt.



I understand many are living in fear, I support whatever you choose to do to feel safe. Myself, I am tired of being lied to. I see how they got masses of Jews to willingly get onto trains bound for concentration camps.

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#3256105 - 10/30/20 07:35 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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mr. bonespurs kid said yesterday , a day with 90,000 new cases and almost 1000 deaths, " the numbers are almost nothing, we have it under control ". this little puke is even dumber then daddy !

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#3256112 - 10/30/20 08:14 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Lets see!
ONLY the Democrats will get the corona virus under control, well why haven't those same genius Democrats eliminated the virus called the flu that killed 60,000 US citizens in 2019 alone and many more throughout the years. YEA, they talk big, but face it, if this would have happened under Obama we would be at the same place or worse, probably worse!
Yup, Biden will get both the Corona and flu virus deaths down to almost none, I HIGHLY DOUBT IT!

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#3256120 - 10/30/20 09:03 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: suprsongdgslyr
mr. bonespurs kid said yesterday , a day with 90,000 new cases and almost 1000 deaths, " the numbers are almost nothing, we have it under control ". this little puke is even dumber then daddy !



Then?


What is your fix for Covid ??


I don’t care if the US has 30,000,000 cases. Most healthy people are not even being affected that have tested positive.

My 22 year old daughter and her boyfriend both tested positive. They said smell and taste senses went away. Was I fearing for her life? HEII no!


Get over it!!

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#3256132 - 10/30/20 10:53 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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How many people have died from cigarettes? And the government has made millions from it. Haven’t stopped it yet.

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#3256143 - 10/31/20 04:58 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: Heymartay]
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Same as for alcohol related highway deaths and the 70,000 drug related deaths per year, then there's the estimated 250,000 hospital related deaths per year, not too much being done by the Dems. about those but they will be the savior of us from covid!
By my math, 70,000 drug related deaths per year X 10 years = 700,000 drug related deaths, no problem there! 250,000 hospital related deaths X 10 years = 2.5 million people killed by hospitals, no problem there either!

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#3256144 - 10/31/20 05:45 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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#3256151 - 10/31/20 10:32 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Nearly 700,000 abortions each year and the government does not seem to care.
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#3256168 - 10/31/20 03:03 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Originally Posted By: ADK
Nearly 700,000 abortions each year and the government does not seem to care.



Nailed it! ^^^
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#3256171 - 10/31/20 03:20 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Apparently masks are for political theater.

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#3256177 - 10/31/20 05:14 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: suprsongdgslyr
mr. bonespurs kid said yesterday , a day with 90,000 new cases and almost 1000 deaths, " the numbers are almost nothing, we have it under control ". this little puke is even dumber then daddy !


So how the "outfitting/guiding" going?
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#3256178 - 10/31/20 05:22 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Foxpro.223]
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Actually it did happen under the Biden/Obama administration, 60 million-1 year- H1N1. They said it's only the flu virus(from China). Of course Joe was already soliciting Chinese money for cooperation, so can't blame the Chinese. Boy that sounds very familiar, only difference is the form of virus. Pigs to humans, instead of bats to humans. May have been as high as 89.3 million, 402,719 hospitalization, 18,306 deaths. This corona virus needed lab help to be able to jump to humans because of protein blockers in humans. So a disease was lab manipulated and allowed to leave the country during an election year of one of China's main adversary. Very close to an act of war, unless an opposition party knew about it and tries to downplay China's role, WHAT?

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#3256180 - 10/31/20 05:36 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Could it be these viruses are being used as bioweapons against the American people?
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#3256182 - 10/31/20 06:07 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Foxpro.223]
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Originally Posted By: Foxpro.223
Could it be these viruses are being used as bioweapons against the American people?


Yes. We all want to believe the best in people, but just too many coincidences here on an election year against the guy that has been hammering China. I thought this from the beginning. Also worth considering is the population of China. Anyone who thinks only a few thousand died there has rocks in their head. What an easy way to get rid of a bunch of elderly, who have to cost the ccp untold amounts of money. You have to remember, these are people to whom people's lives mean nothing.
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#3256186 - 10/31/20 06:24 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: 204 AR]
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I had the exact same thoughts 204, too many "swamp creatures" and countries like China and Iran want Trump gone so they can get back to business as usual.

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#3256190 - 10/31/20 06:58 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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And not to mention there are some out there that stand to make billions off of their supposed cure.

I've also noticed how small businesses have been declared obsolete or as they term it "non-essential" while many of the big big box stores are allowed to remain open for business such as chinamart and Amazon.

So now we have unelected bureaucrats picking and choosing who can and can't have a business under this soft form of medical martial law they keep incrementally implementing.
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#3256193 - 10/31/20 08:06 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Hey Borkon , a buddy of mine in Williston was telling me about a dude that entered one of the first coyote calling contests , like the one you so proudly display , Anyway this guy had some other guys shooting coyotes that day and then the one dude checked in claiming he shot them all.
He ended up winning the tourney Big controversy over the whole deal , thats when they started requiring times to be wrote on blocks of wood , and anal temps taken at check in . But I'm relatively sure that wasn't you .

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#3256194 - 10/31/20 08:12 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: suprsongdgslyr
mr. bonespurs kid said yesterday , a day with 90,000 new cases and almost 1000 deaths, " the numbers are almost nothing, we have it under control ". this little puke is even dumber then daddy !















If you would be so kind as to explain the discrepancies between the profile you entered on 12/08/11 in screenshot above ^^ and your post of 09/11/20 shown below vv, perhaps we might be able to take your comments posted yesterday at 6:35 PM a bit more seriously.














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#3256200 - 10/31/20 09:47 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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What I posted , was what donnie jr. said , whats so hard to understand about that. My profile has nothing to do with what lil donnie said ,, but you won't see that on fox news , you'll have to see it on every other respectable news outlet .mr. bonespurs has been claiming " WE"RE ROUNDING THE TURN " , thats pathetic in every sense of the word.

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#3256208 - 10/31/20 11:10 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Nope, wasn't me.
Sorry to disappoint you.
Yep, have shot quite a few tourneys.

But you didn't answer, how's the "guiding" going.
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#3256221 - 11/01/20 01:55 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Typical liberal democrat.

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#3256230 - 11/01/20 08:55 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: suprsongdgslyr
My profile has nothing to do with what lil donnie said ,, but you won't see that on fox news , you'll have to see it on every other respectable news outlet


The disingenuous content in your profile are a direct reflection of your character songdgsliar.
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#3256277 - 11/01/20 01:22 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: suprsongdgslyr
What I posted , was what donnie jr. said , whats so hard to understand about that. My profile has nothing to do with what lil donnie said ,, but you won't see that on fox news , you'll have to see it on every other respectable news outlet .mr. bonespurs has been claiming " WE"RE ROUNDING THE TURN " , thats pathetic in every sense of the word.


Well, my friend, you completely contradict your own words in your profile, yet you expect us to take you at your word?

Perhaps you would care to comment on the following accomplishments of the "buffoon in the whitehouse". Please, take them one at a time and be specific......we'll wait.


Author unknown.

The buffoon in the White House just brokered two Middle East Peace Accords, something that 71 years of political }intervention and endless war failed to produce. In so doing, he has been nominated by 4 separate individuals/groups to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

The war mongering buffoon in the White House is the first president that has not engaged the US in a foreign war since President Eisenhower.

The buffoon in the Whitehouse has virtually destroyed what President Obama previously said his administration could only “contain”- ISIS.

The buffoon in the Whitehouse has permanently silenced known terrorists, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Qasem Soleimani.

The buffoon in the Whitehouse has made this country energy independent for the first time in over 70 years.

The buffoon in the Whitehouse moved the US Embassy in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Something many previous US presidents promised they would do, and never did.

The buffoon in the Whitehouse has lowered taxes for virtually all Americans.

The racist buffoon in the White House has had a gargantuan impact on the economy, bringing jobs, and lowering unemployment to the Black and Latino population. More than ANY other president. Ever.

The racist buffoon in the Whitehouse signed the HBCU Executive Order to support Black Colleges and Universities on February 28, 2017. One month after becoming President. The executive order moves an initiative to assist the Historically Black Colleges and Universities from the Education Department back to the White House.

The buffoon in the White House has exposed the deep, widespread, and long-standing corruption in the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the Republican and Democratic parties.

The buffoon in the White House is forcing the deadbeat NATO partners to finally start paying their fair share.

The buffoon in the White House neutralized the North Koreans, stopped them from developing a further nuclear capability, sending missiles toward Japan, and threatening the West Coast of the US.

The buffoon in the Whitehouse pulled the US out of the idiotic Obama/Kerry Iran Nuclear deal that gave Iran the ability to build their own nuclear bomb in 10 years.

The buffoon in the Whitehouse renegotiated the bad-for-business Nafta Agreement, for a much stronger and friendlier trade agreement between the US, Mexico, and Canada.

The buffoon in the White House turned our relationship with the Chinese around, brought hundreds of business back to the US, and revived the economy.

The buffoon in the White House has accomplished the appointing of two threeSupreme Court Justices and close to 300 Federal Judges, and most likely will be adding a 3rd constitutional Supreme Court Justice shortly.

The buffoon in the White House lowered your taxes and caused your stock market to move to record levels over 100 times, positively impacting the retirements of tens of millions of citizens.

The buffoon in the White House fast-tracked the development of a COVID Vaccine - it will be available much sooner than originally predicted - we still don't have a vaccine for SARS, Bird Flu, Ebola, or a host of diseases that arose during previous administrations.

The buffoon in the Whitehouse restricted travel to and from China weeks before the Pelosi’s and Biden’s would have. Those people and many others, accused the President of being xenophobic and fear mongering for his actions.

The buffoon in the White House rebuilt our military, which the Obama administration had crippled and had fired 214 key generals and admirals in his first year of office.

The buffoon in the Whitehouse has improved the Veterans Administration to a point were 91% of vets are now satisfied with the running of the VA.

The Buffoon in the Whitehouse has approved, “Right to try” allowing terminally ill patients to receive as yet, promising but unapproved by the FDA, medications.

The buffoon in the White House works for free and has lost personal income. He has done all of this and much more in the face of relentless undermining and opposition from people who are threatened because they know they are going to be exposed to be the criminals that they are if he is re-elected.

I get it, some people don't like him because he is a ______________ (fill in the blank). I don’t care what name or names one uses to fill in the blank. After all of his accomplishments, you would have to be the buffoon not to support this president.

Regards,
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#3256282 - 11/01/20 02:31 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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That^^^


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#3256284 - 11/01/20 02:49 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: suprsongdgslyr
What I posted , was what donnie jr. said , whats so hard to understand about that. My profile has nothing to do with what lil donnie said ,, but you won't see that on fox news , you'll have to see it on every other respectable news outlet .mr. bonespurs has been claiming " WE"RE ROUNDING THE TURN " , thats pathetic in every sense of the word.


Oh, and as to President Trump and his son's statements, perhaps this study will shed some light on "WE'RE ROUNDING THE TURN":

_This was enormously important, because it meant that the fatality rate was not three percent, but closer to 0.2 percent; not three in 100, but two in 1,000. _

A SENSIBLE AND COMPASSIONATE ANTI-COVID STRATEGY

Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford University
Imprimis
Oct 2020

_The following is adapted from a panel presentation on October 9, 2020, in Omaha, Nebraska, at a Hillsdale College Free Market Forum._

My goal today is, first, to present the facts about how deadly COVID-19 actually is; second, to present the facts about who is at risk from COVID; third, to present some facts about how deadly the widespread lockdowns have been; and fourth, to recommend a shift in public policy.

1. THE COVID-19 FATALITY RATE

In discussing the deadliness of COVID, we need to distinguish COVID _cases_ from COVID _infections_. A lot of fear and confusion has resulted from failing to understand the difference.

We have heard much this year about the “case fatality rate” of COVID.
In early March, the case fatality rate in the U.S. was roughly three percent—nearly three out of every hundred people who were identified as “cases” of COVID in early March died from it. Compare that to today, when the fatality rate of COVID is known to be less than one half of one percent.

In other words, when the World Health Organization said back in early March that three percent of people who get COVID die from it, they were wrong by at least one order of magnitude. The COVID fatality rate is much closer to 0.2 or 0.3 percent. The reason for the highly inaccurate early estimates is simple: in early March, we were not identifying most of the people who had been infected by COVID.

“Case fatality rate” is computed by dividing the number of deaths by the total number of confirmed cases. But to obtain an accurate COVID fatality rate, the number in the denominator should be the number of people who have been infected—the number of people who have actually had the disease—rather than the number of confirmed cases.

In March, only the small fraction of infected people who got sick and went to the hospital were identified as cases. But the majority of people who are infected by COVID have very mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. These people weren’t identified in the early days, which resulted in a highly misleading fatality rate. And that is what drove public policy. Even worse, it continues to sow fear and panic, because the perception of too many people about COVID is frozen in the misleading data from March.

So how do we get an accurate fatality rate? To use a technical term, we test for seroprevalence—in other words, we test to find out how many people have evidence in their bloodstream of having had COVID.

This is easy with some viruses. Anyone who has had chickenpox, for instance, still has that virus living in them—it stays in the body forever. COVID, on the other hand, like other coronaviruses, doesn’t stay in the body. Someone who is infected with COVID and then clears it will be immune from it, but it won’t still be living in them.

What we need to test for, then, are antibodies or other evidence that someone has had COVID. And even antibodies fade over time, so testing for them still results in an underestimate of total infections.

Seroprevalence is what I worked on in the early days of the epidemic. In April, I ran a series of studies, using antibody tests, to see how many people in California’s Santa Clara County, where I live, had been infected. At the time, there were about 1,000 COVID cases that had been identified in the county, but our antibody tests found that 50,000 people had been infected—i.e., there were 50 times more infections than identified cases. This was enormously important, because it meant that the fatality rate was not three percent, but closer to 0.2 percent; not three in 100, but two in 1,000.

When it came out, this Santa Clara study was controversial. But science is like that, and the way science tests controversial studies is to see if they can be replicated. And indeed, there are now 82 similar seroprevalence studies from around the world, and the median result of these 82 studies is a fatality rate of about 0.2 percent—exactly what we found in Santa Clara County.

In some places, of course, the fatality rate was higher: in New York City it was more like 0.5 percent. In other places it was lower: the rate in Idaho was 0.13 percent. What this variation shows is that the fatality rate is not simply a function of how deadly a virus is. It is also a function of who gets infected and of the quality of the health care system. In the early days of the virus, our health care systems managed COVID poorly.
Part
of this was due to ignorance: we pursued very aggressive treatments, for instance, such as the use of ventilators, that in retrospect might have been counterproductive. And part of it was due to negligence: in some places, we needlessly allowed a lot of people in nursing homes to get infected.

But the bottom line is that the COVID fatality rate is in the neighborhood of 0.2 percent.

2. WHO IS AT RISK?

The single most important fact about the COVID pandemic—in terms of deciding how to respond to it on both an individual and a governmental basis—is that it is not equally dangerous for everybody. This became clear very early on, but for some reason our public health messaging failed to get this fact out to the public.

It still seems to be a common perception that COVID is equally dangerous to everybody, but this couldn’t be further from the truth. There is a thousand-fold difference between the mortality rate in older people, 70 and up, and the mortality rate in children. In some sense, this is a great blessing. If it was a disease that killed children preferentially, I for one would react very differently. But the fact is that for young children, this disease is less dangerous than the seasonal flu. This year, in the United States, more children have died from the seasonal flu than from COVID by a factor of two or three.

Whereas COVID is not deadly for children, for older people it is _much_ more deadly than the seasonal flu. If you look at studies worldwide, the COVID fatality rate for people 70 and up is about four percent—four in
100 among those 70 and older, as opposed to two in 1,000 in the overall population.

Again, this huge difference between the danger of COVID to the young and the danger of COVID to the old is the most important fact about the virus.
Yet it has not been sufficiently emphasized in public health messaging or taken into account by most policymakers.

3. DEADLINESS OF THE LOCKDOWNS

The widespread lockdowns that have been adopted in response to COVID are unprecedented—lockdowns have never before been tried as a method of disease control. Nor were these lockdowns part of the original plan. The initial rationale for lockdowns was that slowing the spread of the disease would prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. It became clear before long that this was not a worry: in the U.S. and in most of the world, hospitals were never at risk of being overwhelmed. Yet the lockdowns were kept in place, and this is turning out to have deadly effects.

Those who dare to talk about the tremendous economic harms that have followed from the lockdowns are accused of heartlessness. Economic considerations are nothing compared to saving lives, they are told. So I’m not going to talk about the economic effects—I’m going to talk about the deadly effects on health, beginning with the fact that the U.N.
has estimated that 130 million additional people will starve this year as a result of the economic damage resulting from the lockdowns.

In the last 20 years we’ve lifted one billion people worldwide out of poverty. This year we are reversing that progress to the extent—it bears repeating—that an estimated 130 million more people will starve.

Another result of the lockdowns is that people stopped bringing their children in for immunizations against diseases like diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), and polio, because they had been led to fear COVID more than they feared these more deadly diseases. This wasn’t only true in the U.S. Eighty million children worldwide are now at risk of these diseases.
We had made substantial progress in slowing them down, but now they are going to come back.

Large numbers of Americans, even though they had cancer and needed chemotherapy, didn’t come in for treatment because they were more afraid of COVID than cancer. Others have skipped recommended cancer screenings.
We’re going to see a rise in cancer and cancer death rates as a consequence. Indeed, this is already starting to show up in the data.
We’re also going to see a higher number of deaths from diabetes due to people missing their diabetic monitoring.

Mental health problems are in a way the most shocking thing. In June of this year, a CDC survey found that one in four young adults between 18 and
24 had seriously considered suicide. Human beings are not, after all, designed to live alone. We’re meant to be in company with one another. It is unsurprising that the lockdowns have had the psychological effects that they’ve had, especially among young adults and children, who have been denied much-needed socialization.

In effect, what we’ve been doing is requiring young people to bear the burden of controlling a disease from which they face little to no risk.
This is entirely backward from the right approach.

4. WHERE TO GO FROM HERE

Last week I met with two other epidemiologists—Dr. Sunetra Gupta of Oxford University and Dr. Martin Kulldorff of Harvard University—in Great Barrington, Massachusetts. The three of us come from very different disciplinary backgrounds and from very different parts of the political spectrum. Yet we had arrived at the same view—the view that the widespread lockdown policy has been a devastating public health mistake.
In
response, we wrote and issued the Great Barrington Declaration, which can be viewed—along with explanatory videos, answers to frequently asked questions, a list of co-signers, etc.—online at www.gbdeclaration.org [1].

The Declaration reads:

As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings, and deteriorating mental health—leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all—including the vulnerable—falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity—i.e., the point at which the rate of new infections is stable—and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.

The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk.
We call this Focused Protection.

Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.


Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching.
Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sports, and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.

***

I should say something in conclusion about the idea of herd immunity, which some people mischaracterize as a strategy of letting people die.
First, herd immunity is not a strategy—it is a biological fact that applies to most infectious diseases. Even when we come up with a vaccine, we will be relying on herd immunity as an end-point for this epidemic. The vaccine will help, but herd immunity is what will bring it to an end. And second, our strategy is not to let people die, but to protect the vulnerable. We know the people who are vulnerable, and we know the people who are not vulnerable. To continue to act as if we do not know these things makes no sense.

My final point is about science. When scientists have spoken up against the lockdown policy, there has been enormous pushback: “You’re endangering lives.” Science cannot operate in an environment like that. I don’t know all the answers to COVID; no one does. Science ought to be able to clarify the answers. But science can’t do its job in an environment where anyone who challenges the status quo gets shut down or cancelled.

To date, the Great Barrington Declaration has been signed by over 43,000 medical and public health scientists and medical practitioners. The Declaration thus does not represent a fringe view within the scientific community. This is a central part of the scientific debate, and it belongs in the debate. Members of the general public can also sign the Declaration.

Together, I think we can get on the other side of this pandemic. But we have to fight back. We’re at a place where our civilization is at risk, where the bonds that unite us are at risk of being torn. We shouldn’t be afraid. We should respond to the COVID virus rationally: protect the vulnerable, treat the people who get infected compassionately, develop a vaccine. And while doing these things we should bring back the civilization that we had so that the cure does not end up being worse than the disease.
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JAY BHATTACHARYA is a Professor of Medicine at Stanford University, where he received both an M.D. and a Ph.D. in economics. He is also a research associate at the National Bureau of Economics Research, a senior fellow at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research and at the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies, and director of the Stanford Center on the Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. A co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration, his research has been published in economics, statistics, legal, medical, public health, and health policy journals.

[2]

Links:
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[1] https://gbdeclaration.org/
[2]
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/sensible-compassionate-anti-covid-strategy/

Regards,
hm
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#3256302 - 11/01/20 07:04 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Definitely was germ warfare, the whole think stinks. China is the one guilty of these deaths.

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#3258614 - 11/26/20 05:59 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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#3258651 - 11/27/20 11:14 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Influenza is extinct at least....

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#3258691 - 11/28/20 01:14 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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China should be one giant smoking crater.

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#3258713 - 11/28/20 11:56 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: Tnslim]
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https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
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#3260037 - 12/06/20 11:59 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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#3260070 - 12/07/20 08:34 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Two close friends had it.
One is getting better right along.In fact he is out of quarantine now.

The other one died.

The one getting better is in his 70's.
The one that passed was 57.

You never know.
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#3260098 - 12/07/20 02:02 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Since Fauci is the worlds big expert on the disease can someone ask him: 1. Does the common cold corona virus trigger a CV19 test for positive? 2. "New Cases" are 'cases' the number of positives on the CV19 tests or the 'cases' actual infections? 3. How many different corona virus's are there that could trigger a positive on the CV19 tests? 4. What percentage of the CV19 tests are just plain wrong. 5. Is the number of 'cases' the leading factor in all of the restrictions going on around the globe? These are just some of the things that I find disturbing about this whole , seemingly, failed response to the virus and the agenda being pushed by the elites.




Edited by jumprightinit (12/07/20 02:05 PM)
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#3260556 - 12/10/20 11:46 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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For those who intend to get the vaccine there is GREAT NEWS! The vaccines made possible by President Trumps highly successful 'Warp Speed' could be distributed as early as next week. Remember when the Socialist Democrats were telling us that Trump was lying? Look who really lied.
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#3260604 - 12/10/20 08:55 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Thats a little sad .

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#3260624 - 12/11/20 12:13 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Originally Posted By: suprsongdgslyr
Thats a little sad .


what is sad?
that a vaccine is coming?

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#3260647 - 12/11/20 08:29 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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What's sad is all the information withheld from the voters by the MSM,Socialist Democrats and the DNC.
So much fraud in this election. I've come to the conclusion that liberals/leftists are brain dead.
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#3261135 - 12/14/20 11:38 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Sorry songdgliar but the China virus vaccine is being given right now across America. Thank you President Donald Trump!
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#3261709 - 12/17/20 02:07 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Colorado is counting gun shot deaths as Covid-19 deaths.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli...deaths-n2581730
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#3261950 - 12/19/20 09:47 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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More great news! The second vaccine approved by the FDA,Moderna's vaccine,will be shipped out today. Vaccinations will begin immediately. Just heard on the news that 10% of the voters who voted for slow Joe have buyers remorse. So sad.
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#3262200 - 12/20/20 07:51 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: jumprightinit]
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Originally Posted By: jumprightinit
Since Fauci is the worlds big expert on the disease can someone ask him: 1. Does the common cold corona virus trigger a CV19 test for positive? 2. "New Cases" are 'cases' the number of positives on the CV19 tests or the 'cases' actual infections? 3. How many different corona virus's are there that could trigger a positive on the CV19 tests? 4. What percentage of the CV19 tests are just plain wrong. 5. Is the number of 'cases' the leading factor in all of the restrictions going on around the globe? These are just some of the things that I find disturbing about this whole , seemingly, failed response to the virus and the agenda being pushed by the elites.





I'm sure we would get honest answers. (Sarcasm)
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#3262203 - 12/20/20 08:32 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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It sure is convenient for the purveyors of Covid Armageddon that virologists are predicting a very mild flu season based on current numbers. Convenient indeed.
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#3264573 - 01/04/21 04:33 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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#3264714 - 01/05/21 01:45 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Worth watching if you haven't. ^^^^
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#3264946 - 01/07/21 03:33 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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This one probably won't last long before it is scrubbed from the internet.

ETA: Youtube scrubbed the video less than 24 hours after it was put up.

https://thewallwillfall.org/2021/01/07/catherine-austin-fitts-planet-lockdown/

^^^^^^Planet Lockdown is still available here at the link above.

Catherine Austin Fitts video, Planet Lockdown, which is being repeatedly removed from YouTube. 2.5 million views since December 22nd 2020.




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#3264962 - 01/07/21 09:22 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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I have no idea if this is true. I would not dismiss it, although it does sound a bit incredible.This is the same methodology used by communists since the late 1800's. Create chaos,distrust of government and ultimately anarchy to the point that the masses are terrified. When that is achieved the masses will accept extremism like communism. This has been done dozens of times in the 20th century throughout the world.

Even if this worst case scenario does not occur there is another monster standing at America's door.The monster of inflation. America's debt has increased in the last few decades to nearly $27,000,000,000,000. Yup,that's trillions. I'm sure that some of the kids on this board,like the little fella,have no idea how destructive runaway inflation is. If you didn't experience stagflation in the 1970's/1980's,or you were too young to remember it,you should read about it. It can not only destroy your savings,finances and life,it can also destroy your nation. Much the same as communism.
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