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#3249156 - 07/28/20 10:55 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Originally Posted By: ADK
Originally Posted By: ADK
Originally Posted By: pyscodog
So you really think its all a hoax. There's a awful lot of dead people on both sides that wish they could argue with you. Sadly they aren't around any longer to help change your mind. Hopefully they weren't your kin.


Your comment appears to be a 'red herring' intended to mislead readers. No one is saying that the virus does not exist. But, there is increasing evidence that the Covid-19 statistics are greatly exaggerated and in many cases they appear to be exaggerated for political gain in blue democrat controlled cities and states. So if you would like to argue those points feel free to do so but do not try to mislead the readers.
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#3249160 - 07/29/20 01:20 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Heard anything about a new virus in China called G4 EA H1N1 ?
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#3249162 - 07/29/20 07:28 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Yes, you can find it on Wikipedia:



2020 G4 EA H1N1 publication

G4 EA H1N1, also known as the G4 swine flu virus (G4) is a swine influenza virus strain discovered in China.[64] The virus is a variant genotype 4 (G4) Eurasian avian-like (EA) H1N1 virus that mainly affects pigs, but there is some evidence of it infecting people.[64] A 2020 peer-reviewed paper from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) stated that "G4 EA H1N1 viruses possess all the essential hallmarks of being highly adapted to infect humans ... Controlling the prevailing G4 EA H1N1 viruses in pigs and close monitoring of swine working populations should be promptly implemented."[65]

Michael Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization (WHO) Health Emergencies Program, stated in July 2020 that this strain of influenza virus was not new and had been under surveillance since 2011.[66] The Chinese CDC said it had implemented an influenza surveillance program in 2010, analyzing more than 400,000 tests annually, to facilitate early identification of influenza.[67] Of those, 13 A(H1N1) cases were detected, of which three were of the G4 variant.[67]

The study stated that almost 30,000 swine had been monitored via nasal swabs between 2011 and 2018.[65] While other variants of the virus have appeared and diminished, the study claimed the G4 variant had sharply increased since 2016 to become the predominant strain.[65][68] The Chinese Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs rebutted the study, saying that the number of pigs sampled was too small to demonstrate G4 had become the dominant strain and that the media had interpreted the study "in an exaggerated and nonfactual way".[69] They also said the infected workers "did not show flu symptoms and the test sample is not representative of the pig population in China".[67]

According to the study, between 2016 and 2018, 338 swine production workers in China were tested for antibodies of the virus, and 35 (10.4%) had tested positive. Of those workers between the ages of 18 and 35, 20.5% had tested positive.[65][70] Among another 230 people screened who did not work in the swine industry, 10 (4.4%) tested positive for antibodies, indicating prior infection.[64][65] Three cases of infection caused by the G4 virus had been documented as of July 2020, with no confirmed cases of human-to-human transmission.[64]

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said the study suggested that human infection by the G4 virus is more common than it was thought to be.[64] Both the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC)[71] and the US CDC[64] stated that, like all flu viruses with pandemic potential, the variant is a concern that will be monitored.[71] The WHO assesses the risk of influenza viruses with the Tool for Influenza Pandemic Risk Assessment,[71] and the US CDC uses the Influenza Risk Assessment Tool.[64] The ECDC stated that "the most important intervention in preparing for the pandemic potential of influenza viruses is the development and use of human vaccines ...".[71] The US CDC announced in July 2020 that it would request a sample of the virus from China and create a new vaccine if needed.[64] Health officials (including Anthony Fauci) have said that the virus should be monitored, particularly among those in close contact with pigs, but it is not an immediate threat.[72][73] While there have been no reported cases or evidence of the virus outside of China as of July 2020,[73] Smithsonian magazine reported in July 2020 that scientists agree that the virus should be closely monitored, but because it "so far cannot jump from person to person", it should not be a cause for alarm.[74]
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#3249165 - 07/29/20 08:32 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Wonder why the Chinese have so many cases of catching stuff from animals.

I guess they have a lot of people in close proximity. It looks like they would be able to do better but I know very little about how they live there.Never was much interested.
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The story I read said one case has been found in the US. A man had recently traveled to Wuhan and back.
If it was up to me anyone who wanted to go to China could go. Couldn't come back though.
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#3249193 - 07/29/20 03:12 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: tnshootist]
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Obviously, Covid is affecting different parts of the country differently. Population density seems to be a major factor in its spread.

Just got an email from my nurse friend, who works in one of the medium sized hospitals in the area. "Covid is in our hospital. We usually have 3 code blues/week; now 3+/day".

As stated earlier, area hospitals are full, one reporting on local news double occupancy in covid rooms intended for isolation (single occupancy). It was reported that they were packed in so tight "you can't get a crash cart in where needed".

Hopefully, a good sign yesterday as new cases reported dropped slightly. Perhaps a sign of better days ahead??

Regards,
hm
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#3249237 - 07/30/20 09:03 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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"Just got an email from my nurse friend, who works in one of the medium sized hospitals in the area. "Covid is in our hospital. We usually have 3 code blues/week; now 3+/day"."

Is that medium sized hospital in a city controlled by Democrats hm?
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#3249239 - 07/30/20 09:27 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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It is interesting what is going on with this covid thing. Our local Colo. news keeps reporting sky rocketing cases, by the day. Also telling us that testing is reaching new highs. So it makes since, more tests equals more positive cases found.
What they usually fail to tell us on the news is that the number of patients in the hospital is not following the upward trend of cases, and that the death rate has remained very VERY low and the positivity rate remains below 5%.

Why is it that the news only want to tell us part of the story, you know, the BAD part? A guy has to go online to the .gov site to see the whole picture of what is actually happening around here.
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#3249240 - 07/30/20 09:51 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
ADK Offline
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The liberal fake news agenda at work again.
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#3249245 - 07/30/20 10:49 AM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Originally Posted By: ADK
The liberal fake news agenda at work again.


Just asking, has anyone heard that the common cold virus will register a positive on a covid-19 test?
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#3249254 - 07/30/20 12:16 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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According to the CDC, yes it is happening. Imagine the opportunities for fraud that this presents.

From the CDC website:

If you test positive

A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html
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#3249259 - 07/30/20 12:50 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Lets be clear about the two tests:
1) nose swab for virus itself
2) blood test for anti-bodies, its after the fact, - may have been exposed.

I've been tested for both, neg on both, but that was just one point in time (mid June).
Next tests will be a new ballgame. (hopefully not needed)

My points are that:
2) may be postive but inconclusive,
1) positve is the real deal.
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#3249262 - 07/30/20 01:05 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: ADK]
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Originally Posted By: ADK
"Just got an email from my nurse friend, who works in one of the medium sized hospitals in the area. "Covid is in our hospital. We usually have 3 code blues/week; now 3+/day"."

Is that medium sized hospital in a city controlled by Democrats hm?


Yes it is, but in all fairness, I don't think the democrats (or republicans, for that matter)can be blamed for the surge in the spread. The blame lies more at the feet of the general population, as they went hog wild and crazy at the mere suggestion of lifting "stay at home" orders state wide for Memorial day. That,dense population, and to some degree proximity to the border, IMO, influences the numbers to a much greater extent.

TX, at least currently (in spite of Bloomberg's millions), is Republican, but south Texas is, and has long been,solid blue. Interestingly, death rate/positive test rate* for the US is .0692, TX is .0162, and the tip of Texas counties are .0353 and .0312.

*But I dare anyone to get any two different sets of statistics to agree. It is obvious that there is no "official score keeper" and you can come up with just about any number you wish.....perhaps by design???

As has been alluded to, much of the hype about the virus is being manipulated for political gain, IMO. Also true, is the fact that test results are/have been less than 100% reliable, for sure, and, due to the fact that federal funding to affected entities was based on the number of positives, many such entities, I believe, pushed the pencil a bit....some a bit more than others. (It has been reported that ALL deaths, whether by accident, suicide, etc. are tested for Covid, and if the test comes back positive, Covid is listed as cause of death.)

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#3249263 - 07/30/20 01:46 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: hm1996]
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Originally Posted By: hm1996
Obviously, Covid is affecting different parts of the country differently. Population density seems to be a major factor in its spread.

Just got an email from my nurse friend, who works in one of the medium sized hospitals in the area. "Covid is in our hospital. We usually have 3 code blues/week; now 3+/day".

As stated earlier, area hospitals are full, one reporting on local news double occupancy in covid rooms intended for isolation (single occupancy). It was reported that they were packed in so tight "you can't get a crash cart in where needed".

Hopefully, a good sign yesterday as new cases reported dropped slightly. Perhaps a sign of better days ahead??

Regards,
hm


if you could ask a couple questions i'd be interested in the feedback from someone who's actually boots on the ground

1a) is the hospital in question at full normal ICU occupancy (ie based on 2019 occupancy #'s) - or full reduced occupancy? (room #'s available based on covid-19 related staffing issues,etc)

1b) how many of those ICU rooms that are full have nothing to do with covid19? ie: elective surgery recovery, emergency surgery recovery, etc


2) are those extra code blue's all covid related? or are they from typical stuff thats exacerbated due to several months with emergency only care being given due to covid-19 restrictions?

i do appreciate that some of that info can truly be hospital to hospital based stuff.... but i'm trying to get some real world non-media filtered/biased feedback.
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#3249265 - 07/30/20 02:56 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: Plant.One]
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Quote:
1a) is the hospital in question at full normal ICU occupancy (ie based on 2019 occupancy #'s) - or full reduced occupancy? (room #'s available based on covid-19 related staffing issues,etc)

1b) how many of those ICU rooms that are full have nothing to do with covid19? ie: elective surgery recovery, emergency surgery recovery, etc


2) are those extra code blue's all covid related? or are they from typical stuff thats exacerbated due to several months with emergency only care being given due to covid-19 restrictions?

i do appreciate that some of that info can truly be hospital to hospital based stuff.... but i'm trying to get some real world non-media filtered/biased feedback.


Sorry, Plant, only hospital administration would be able to answer questions as to reasons for individual code blues and how many ICU patients are covid or other causes. I have no inside info from administration, only that one nurse's individual observations plus one live TV interview from another nurse in a larger nearby hospital. AFAIK, Gov. Abbot's July 9 order suspending elective surgery is still in effect to free up space for covid patients. I, too, am somewhat skeptical on the 2nd hand reports filtered through news media.

The nurse on TV (from that larger hospital) stated that there were no designated covid beds available and the overflow was being treated in the emergency room last week. She was the one who mentioned the crowding was restricting crash cart access.

The convention center in that town is currently being re-purposed to house the covid overflow from area hospitals; military doctors and medical staff has been brought in to support hospital staff as needed and the overflow facility.

Regards,
hm
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#3249268 - 07/30/20 04:06 PM Re: covid #"s [Re: suprsongdgslyr]
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Remember when Gov. Andrew Cuomo went on the news with his daily Covid updates? Remember how he was frantic about not having enough hospital beds and ventilators? We all know about the fake ventilator shortage but is everyone aware of the grossly overstated need for more hospital beds? President Trump had the Army Corp. of Engineers build hospitals in record time and sent the Navy ship Comfort to assist. This is the story of how those resources went underutilized by Gov. Cuomo:

"By the time of Comfort’s departure, the approximately 1,200-person crew and 1,000-bed hospital had treated just 182 patients, of which approximately 70 percent had COVID-19, according to Capt. Patrick Amersbach, commanding officer of the Comfort’s Medical Treatment Facility."

"Underutilization of added medical resources in New York City is not unique to the Comfort. Thousands of hospital beds made available in a converted convention center have gone largely unused after quick assembly by the Army Corps of Engineers."


https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy...n-200-patients/
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