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#3240399 - 04/01/20 10:10 PM Re: Availability of #4 Buckshot [Re: ackleyman]
SlickerThanSnot Online
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Registered: 01/31/14
Posts: 5254
Loc: stuck in a fence
i have a fair amount of factory loaded #4 buck. i might list some up for sale when i get time.

if anybody is looking for some, keep looking in the classified part over the next couple of days.

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#3240406 - 04/01/20 11:07 PM Re: Availability of #4 Buckshot [Re: ackleyman]
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Registered: 03/22/02
Posts: 22255
Loc: Henderson,Nevada,USA
I have a stock of loaded ammo. Also have a case of loaded ammo on backorder going on 3 months now.
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Average response time for a 911 call is 10 min.
Average response time for a .45acp is 900FPS.

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#3240439 - 04/02/20 03:21 PM Re: Availability of #4 Buckshot [Re: GC]
SnowmanMo Online
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Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 3511
Loc: Phoenix, Az
Originally Posted By: GC
Let's make sure we are discussing the same situation, the OP stated that Bubba says the patterns in the video were impressive for predators and self defense at 60 yards.

I like 4 Buck. Like 4 Buck a lot, killed a lot of critters with it. I have killed coyote over 50 yards with it numerous times. I have no argument with that, though I would like to see the video and the patterns.

At typical home defense ranges a load of 4 Buck would be devastating against human attackers. I know exactly how well my Benelli patterns and out to 30-35 yards (which is well beyond the typical home defense ranges) I think it would prove very effective on an attacker. Now remember, that's not what was said, Bubba said 60 yards. Also remember, the FBI and LE actually used 4 Buck against armed adversaries and found penetration and stopping power lacking at longer distances. That isn't a guess, it happened often enough that LE shifted back to larger buckshot.

The thought about buckshot for LE has actually gravitated to something in the middle, 1 Buck is a superb choice. 1 Buck has an improved pellet count over the old standard 00 Buck and yet remains large enough and heavy enough to be give reliable penetration at longer distances.

Still waiting to see which video Keith is referring to.


Those are some great points. Many of which I agree with. I think that 60 yards is a "fantasy" self defense scenario for the majority of folks. While distances like those may be a bit more realistic for law enforcement, that's why they are carrying carbines in their cruisers these days.

So while I agree that #4 wouldn't be my choice for a self defense situation, I wouldn't choose a shotgun for a 60 yard engagement in the first place. Not with ANY shot size or choke.

Don't forget the "B" in TAB+1--Be aware of your target AND beyond! You own ALL those pellets going downrange, and regardless of how good the pattern was, many of those pellets still missed.

So I think you bring up a good point about "home defense" distances. In a house, sure. In a mall parking lot...not a chance.
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#3240463 - 04/02/20 06:54 PM Re: Availability of #4 Buckshot [Re: SnowmanMo]
crapshoot Offline
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Registered: 03/22/02
Posts: 22255
Loc: Henderson,Nevada,USA
Originally Posted By: SnowmanMo
Originally Posted By: GC
Let's make sure we are discussing the same situation, the OP stated that Bubba says the patterns in the video were impressive for predators and self defense at 60 yards.

I like 4 Buck. Like 4 Buck a lot, killed a lot of critters with it. I have killed coyote over 50 yards with it numerous times. I have no argument with that, though I would like to see the video and the patterns.

At typical home defense ranges a load of 4 Buck would be devastating against human attackers. I know exactly how well my Benelli patterns and out to 30-35 yards (which is well beyond the typical home defense ranges) I think it would prove very effective on an attacker. Now remember, that's not what was said, Bubba said 60 yards. Also remember, the FBI and LE actually used 4 Buck against armed adversaries and found penetration and stopping power lacking at longer distances. That isn't a guess, it happened often enough that LE shifted back to larger buckshot.

The thought about buckshot for LE has actually gravitated to something in the middle, 1 Buck is a superb choice. 1 Buck has an improved pellet count over the old standard 00 Buck and yet remains large enough and heavy enough to be give reliable penetration at longer distances.

Still waiting to see which video Keith is referring to.


Those are some great points. Many of which I agree with. I think that 60 yards is a "fantasy" self defense scenario for the majority of folks. While distances like those may be a bit more realistic for law enforcement, that's why they are carrying carbines in their cruisers these days.

So while I agree that #4 wouldn't be my choice for a self defense situation, I wouldn't choose a shotgun for a 60 yard engagement in the first place. Not with ANY shot size or choke.

Don't forget the "B" in TAB+1--Be aware of your target AND beyond! You own ALL those pellets going downrange, and regardless of how good the pattern was, many of those pellets still missed.

So I think you bring up a good point about "home defense" distances. In a house, sure. In a mall parking lot...not a chance.

For me, that would depend on what other weapons i had on hand and the severity of the threat.
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I carry a gun because a cop is to heavy.

Average response time for a 911 call is 10 min.
Average response time for a .45acp is 900FPS.

Remember, if you're not pissing off a liberal......You are one!
Ted Nugent

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#3240676 - 04/04/20 11:15 PM Re: Availability of #4 Buckshot [Re: crapshoot]
SnowmanMo Online
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Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 3511
Loc: Phoenix, Az
Originally Posted By: crapshoot
Originally Posted By: SnowmanMo
Originally Posted By: GC
Let's make sure we are discussing the same situation, the OP stated that Bubba says the patterns in the video were impressive for predators and self defense at 60 yards.

I like 4 Buck. Like 4 Buck a lot, killed a lot of critters with it. I have killed coyote over 50 yards with it numerous times. I have no argument with that, though I would like to see the video and the patterns.

At typical home defense ranges a load of 4 Buck would be devastating against human attackers. I know exactly how well my Benelli patterns and out to 30-35 yards (which is well beyond the typical home defense ranges) I think it would prove very effective on an attacker. Now remember, that's not what was said, Bubba said 60 yards. Also remember, the FBI and LE actually used 4 Buck against armed adversaries and found penetration and stopping power lacking at longer distances. That isn't a guess, it happened often enough that LE shifted back to larger buckshot.

The thought about buckshot for LE has actually gravitated to something in the middle, 1 Buck is a superb choice. 1 Buck has an improved pellet count over the old standard 00 Buck and yet remains large enough and heavy enough to be give reliable penetration at longer distances.

Still waiting to see which video Keith is referring to.


Those are some great points. Many of which I agree with. I think that 60 yards is a "fantasy" self defense scenario for the majority of folks. While distances like those may be a bit more realistic for law enforcement, that's why they are carrying carbines in their cruisers these days.

So while I agree that #4 wouldn't be my choice for a self defense situation, I wouldn't choose a shotgun for a 60 yard engagement in the first place. Not with ANY shot size or choke.

Don't forget the "B" in TAB+1--Be aware of your target AND beyond! You own ALL those pellets going downrange, and regardless of how good the pattern was, many of those pellets still missed.

So I think you bring up a good point about "home defense" distances. In a house, sure. In a mall parking lot...not a chance.

For me, that would depend on what other weapons i had on hand and the severity of the threat.


Also a good point. Sometimes it seems as though guys fantasize about the apocalypse and the idea that they are going to have their entire 52 gun arsenal, 55,000 rounds right there, on hand, at the exact moment they need it, meanwhile the evil doers are armed with a BB gun.

The reality is, when things hop off, the best weapon you have is your wits and your training. I would happily take something over nothing, but I do tend to choose my firearms carefully in order to give me the best chances. When I am out hunting, I have my Glock with me, loaded for 2 legged coyotes...you never know.
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#3242395 - 04/20/20 10:44 PM Re: Availability of #4 Buckshot [Re: ackleyman]
GRIZZLYONE Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
Posts: 3653
Loc: So Cal
Originally Posted By: ackleyman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwUnKdtYuKI

Keep in mind that Wade is in the lower part of SC, and their main focus is killing deer on the run being chased by dogs. Tremendous deer population down in that area.

At this time,factory buckshot of any size is hard to impossible to find on the net....more scarce than toilet paper.

I wish that Lee made a #1 buckshot mold, their #4 and OO throw very nice buckshot.

Geezz! Sure hope that fireplace behind Ol Bubba there never sees any use...
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