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#3235023 - 02/21/20 08:05 PM Which Bullet?
RugerHawg Offline
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As some of you know I am going to hunt elk later this year out west, I have decided between Nosler Trophy Grade Ammunition 160 Grain AccuBond and Barnes VOR-TX Ammunition 140 Grain TTSX Polymer Tipped Spitzer Boat Tail Lead-Free. Which one should I choose? I am shooting 7mm rem mag, thanks for all the info.
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#3235031 - 02/21/20 08:57 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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#3235033 - 02/21/20 09:06 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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if you punch an Elk at 350+ yards the Barnes do not always open up so you get a small frontal profile on the bullet. I would try Speer Grand Slams, I've never had one fail to open or penetrate deep.
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#3235250 - 02/23/20 01:27 AM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
Frankm Offline
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As an all around bullet I d lean towards the Nosler.

Many people swear by the monolithics but I m a little old school and like heavier for caliber and bonding.

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#3235428 - 02/23/20 08:13 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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Never had good luck with Barnes. Im a Nosler guy

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#3235556 - 02/24/20 12:21 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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Nosler 160 Gr AccuBond
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#3235567 - 02/24/20 01:18 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
Notch Johnson Offline
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My wife shot her cow this year with a 270, 140 Grain Accubond. It went 30 yards and was done. I bought these based on a recommendation from a coworker who has shot a good pile of elk.

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#3235573 - 02/24/20 01:51 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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Depends on which one your rifle shoots accurately. If they are both accurate, then I would go with the Accubond
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#3235576 - 02/24/20 02:18 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: Bowhunt]
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I've never had a Barnes not work properly, and have been using them since 1992, and I have never recovered a Barnes out of a big game animal.

I used Nosler Partitions from my very first biggame hunt, in 1970, until I tried Barnes in 1992.

A 140gr Barnes TTSX or TSX out of your 7mm Mag will work wonders on any elk.
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#3235585 - 02/24/20 03:09 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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RugerHawg, you should buy a box of each and shoot them. Don't shoot the barrel hot. Your rifle will tell you what it likes.

Having killed a few cow and bulls, I can tell you that I like a bullet that puts a lot of shock on the animal, and I will do what ever it takes to not put a bullet though a shoulder.

I used 7Mags with 140g Nosler partitions and 160g Speer Grand slams. For cow, I used a 243 with 100g partitions at 3000. I never had any problems but we rode mules and shots were not long.

Always, choose your shot or don't pull the trigger. I even killed two big bulls with a 140g nosler ballistic tips in the 7 Mag, and they flopped on the spot. Shots on these two big bulls were dead center of the body from length and thickness of the brisket. One bull kicked once, the other never kicked, about 150 yard shots.

We killed a number of bulls and cows in the late 70's and early 80's when we were young and dumb with a 7x57 shooting 140g Sierra's...never any problems but we were very experienced shooters killing thousands of jack rabbits per year at all distances.

I always sighted my rifle in at 200, knew the drop to 500 yards with an index card that I had taped to the stock.

I hunted with one guy in Az that shot a 7 Mag with 175g Sierra btsp @2900 fps, and that bullet really impressed me with how it penetrated. We butchered all our animals.

Elk never impressed me at being hard to kill at the short range distances we took our shots at. However, you are in for the worst possible tracking job you could imagine on a gut shot animal or one shot in the hind leg.

Do some serious planning on what you are going to do and how you are going to handle an elk once you get it on the ground. It is best to butcher them on the spot, bone the meat off the neck. Plenty of ice chests, large plastic bags, and a good knife or two, or the ability to touch up a knife with a steel. We never used a saw, ever.

Late afternoon kills are a real pain in the butt for many, many reasons. Plan on having lots of light for this occasion.


Edited by ackleyman (02/24/20 03:16 PM)

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#3235594 - 02/24/20 03:59 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
Kansas220Swift Offline
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Hard to beat the Nosler 160 Gr AccuBond....

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#3235597 - 02/24/20 04:09 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: ackleyman]
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I have always believed that a bullet dumps all of it's energy into the animal when you find it inside on a shoulder shot.
A pass through is wasted energy unless you hit a vital.
On every shoulder kill shot I have found the bullet on the opposite side just under the hide with a .300 WM 180 gr.
Here is a pic of the recovered bullet from my last elk at 342 yds, 180 gr CoreLokt w ivories.

[img:center] image upload[/img]
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#3235707 - 02/25/20 09:44 AM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
Boomstick Offline
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Whichever shoots better in your gun. As long as you hit the wheelhouse, either of those choices will work. I'm a fan of the Barnes, as the Nosler AB didn't shoot as will in my applications. 5/5 on deer this year and 1/1 on elk. No complaints.

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#3235742 - 02/25/20 12:58 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: tripod3]
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Originally Posted By: tripod3
I have always believed that a bullet dumps all of it's energy into the animal when you find it inside on a shoulder shot.
A pass through is wasted energy unless you hit a vital.
On every shoulder kill shot I have found the bullet on the opposite side just under the hide with a .300 WM 180 gr.
Here is a pic of the recovered bullet from my last elk at 342 yds, 180 gr CoreLokt w ivories.

[img:center] image upload[/img]


That energy you speak of is "heat" energy, not kinetic energy, so there is no "wasted energy" on a complete pass through.

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#3235754 - 02/25/20 02:03 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: JoeyJ]
tripod3 Offline
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Originally Posted By: JoeyJ


That energy you speak of is "heat" energy, not kinetic energy, so there is no "wasted energy" on a complete pass through.


That's funny.
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#3235781 - 02/25/20 05:09 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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heat energy/ huh?

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#3235817 - 02/25/20 08:21 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: JoeyJ]
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Originally Posted By: JoeyJ
Originally Posted By: tripod3
I have always believed that a bullet dumps all of it's energy into the animal when you find it inside on a shoulder shot.
A pass through is wasted energy unless you hit a vital.
On every shoulder kill shot I have found the bullet on the opposite side just under the hide with a .300 WM 180 gr.
Here is a pic of the recovered bullet from my last elk at 342 yds, 180 gr CoreLokt w ivories.

[img:center] image upload[/img]


That energy you speak of is "heat" energy, not kinetic energy, so there is no "wasted energy" on a complete pass through.


So does this heat energy theory mean that you'll likely kill less game on a really cold day? Interesting concept that has probably been over-loked for years.......maybe even several centuries. laugh

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#3235850 - 02/25/20 10:54 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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I shoot a 300WM and if the bullet doesn't go through I look for one that will.That way if I have to trail an Elk I have a good blood trail to follow.
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#3235854 - 02/25/20 11:19 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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Maybe it cooks as it kills.
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#3235880 - 02/26/20 08:27 AM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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Oh man..... Just shaking my head. "heat energy"? Is Joe Biden on PM now? Just because you heard an adult use a term doesn't mean you should try to use it.

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#3235907 - 02/26/20 11:44 AM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: crapshoot]
tripod3 Offline
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Originally Posted By: crapshoot
Maybe it cooks as it kills.


Pre cooked game, novel idea, just heat n serve.
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#3235927 - 02/26/20 01:53 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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I hear the hunting video guys like to say "Smoked'em ".....


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#3235928 - 02/26/20 01:56 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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I've also read that Barnes over penetrate !???
Whatever that means..... grin

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#3235941 - 02/26/20 03:45 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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never heard anybody say "man, that bullet burned right through that coyote"

but i am going to start using it. yes i am. tongue_smilie

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#3235952 - 02/26/20 04:14 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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I have given my opinion here on this forum relating to this topic a number of times so many of you know I am a Barnes bullet fan because of the performance I have had with them on larger elk size game. I am also a fan of the high shoulder shot and always have been.

With Barnes bullets, you will get pass throughs most of the time as they are not designed to enter the animal, explode and come apart. They are designed to open up in 4 distinct petals and leave a devastating wound channel with the energy being transferred to the animal along the entire wound channel. Since they are an all copper bullet, they retain the majority of their weight and that is why most shots are pass throughs.

Of all the animals I have taken with Barnes bullets, I have only recovered one bullet.

There are a lot of great bullets out there today, I just happen to use Barnes in my big game calibers. I would have no problem using others but as you reloaders know, when you get a load worked up with components that all work together, you tend to stay with it. Or at least that has been my approach.

To the OP, if you are not settled on any one bullet yet, Barnes should definitely be on your list to at least try.


Edited by WyoBull (04/02/20 09:38 AM)
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#3235961 - 02/26/20 05:11 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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I have never got to ELk hunt and now at my age probably never will. But I used Barnes bullets for the first time this year in my 270 WIn. on whitetail and was very impressed with the performance. I plan on using them again in the upcoming season as well.
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#3235964 - 02/26/20 05:21 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: pyscodog]
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Originally Posted By: pyscodog
I have never got to ELk hunt and now at my age probably never will. But I used Barnes bullets for the first time this year in my 270 WIn. on whitetail and was very impressed with the performance. I plan on using them again in the upcoming season as well.


Do they appear to run hot? That's important.
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#3235966 - 02/26/20 05:34 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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IDK? Good question.
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#3235975 - 02/26/20 07:59 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: pyscodog]
Winny Fan Offline
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Originally Posted By: pyscodog
IDK? Good question.


Really.........?? laugh
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#3235994 - 02/26/20 10:22 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: Winny Fan]
tripod3 Offline
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You guys are cracking me up.
I thought you had to chase them a long ways before the shot to get warm meat.
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#3236007 - 02/27/20 12:39 AM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
never heard anybody say "man, that bullet burned right through that coyote"

but i am going to start using it. yes i am. tongue_smilie


Boring..... You need say "torched a hole through that coyote"
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#3236026 - 02/27/20 09:01 AM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
Winny Fan Offline
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Among other things, this heat theory might account for the, "I hit him with a bullet from Old Betsy and he was instant toast."
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Some people think that they are quoting Einstein when in fact they are saying something that would make even Einstein say, "HUH?".

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#3236029 - 02/27/20 09:36 AM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: Tim Neitzke]
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Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
never heard anybody say "man, that bullet burned right through that coyote"

but i am going to start using it. yes i am. tongue_smilie


Boring..... You need say "torched a hole through that coyote"
tt2


i do like yours better.

goes along with "smoked em"

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#3236098 - 02/27/20 06:53 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: JoeyJ]
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Originally Posted By: JoeyJ

That energy you speak of is "heat" energy, not kinetic energy, so there is no "wasted energy" on a complete pass through.


If this is true, what energy propels the bullet out of the animal on a pass thru?
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#3236171 - 02/28/20 12:39 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: Coyotejunki]
Winny Fan Offline
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Originally Posted By: Coyotejunki
Originally Posted By: JoeyJ

That energy you speak of is "heat" energy, not kinetic energy, so there is no "wasted energy" on a complete pass through.


If this is true, what energy propels the bullet out of the animal on a pass thru?


That question is approaching Area 51 type stuff.... I doubt that not even JoeyJ can answer that without special clearance from well above his pay grade.
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#3236274 - 02/29/20 10:39 AM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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Depleted uranium, that is where the real heat is.
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#3236278 - 02/29/20 11:22 AM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: Brad Phillips]
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If I draw(elk)this year I will try the Barnes 160 in my 7saum. My previous elk(3-3 public land)have all been inside 200 yards.

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#3236436 - 03/01/20 08:37 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: JoeyJ]
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Yeah im not sure about that one..

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#3238219 - 03/15/20 01:08 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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I prefer nosler myself. Always drt if did my part.

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#3240402 - 04/01/20 10:16 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: K-22hornet.]
1100 Remington Man Offline
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Originally Posted By: K-22hornet.
I've never had a Barnes not work properly, and have been using them since 1992, and I have never recovered a Barnes out of a big game animal.

I used Nosler Partitions from my very first biggame hunt, in 1970, until I tried Barnes in 1992.

A 140gr Barnes TTSX or TSX out of your 7mm Mag will work wonders on any elk.


I went to Alaska this year and my brother's friend was shooting 180gr Barnes TTSX 180gr and we found it under the hide of the Caribou with No Expansion only the plastic tip missing. You could wipe it off and reload it.
I was unimpressed. But it was just one bullet.
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#3240435 - 04/02/20 03:08 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: 1100 Remington Man]
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Originally Posted By: 1100 Remington Man
Originally Posted By: K-22hornet.
I've never had a Barnes not work properly, and have been using them since 1992, and I have never recovered a Barnes out of a big game animal.

I used Nosler Partitions from my very first biggame hunt, in 1970, until I tried Barnes in 1992.

A 140gr Barnes TTSX or TSX out of your 7mm Mag will work wonders on any elk.



I went to Alaska this year and my brother's friend was shooting 180gr Barnes TTSX 180gr and we found it under the hide of the Caribou with No Expansion only the plastic tip missing. You could wipe it off and reload it.
I was unimpressed. But it was just one bullet.


I don't know how to post a photo on here or I would put a picture of the only Barnes bullet I have ever recovered from a big game animal. It was a 160 gr Barnes TSX I took from just under the hide on the opposite shoulder of a Blue Wildebeest. Took him directly through both shoulders.

We shot 13 animals on that trip with my 7mm RUM and that bullet and that was the only one that did not pass through the animal. I would also point out that every one of those animal's (all plains game with the largest being a Kudu, Zebra, Gemsbok) chin hit the ground where they stood just before their back end followed. They never took a step and I shot every one of them through the shoulders.

So, my experience with Barnes has been nothing but fantastic and out of my 7mm RUM I have shot everything from 110 gr TTSX through the 160 gr TSX. My favorite .284 caliber in my 7mm RUM is the 145 gr LRX, which is their long range bullet.




Edited by WyoBull (04/02/20 03:09 PM)
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#3240442 - 04/02/20 03:27 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: WyoBull]
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Before the lockdown(range is closed) here I made it out to the 300 yard bench. With my Rem sendero in 7saum I had found a good load with the Berger 150 classic Hunter(H4831sc) and the Barnes 160 TSX FB(R22). The Berger gave me average .78 inch 3 shot group at 300 yards. The Barnes was 1.1 inch average with 3 shot group at 300 yards. The Barnes load was a faster velocity and it showed in the drop. About 4.5 " drop(Berger)vs 3" for the TSX load.

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#3240448 - 04/02/20 03:49 PM Re: Which Bullet? [Re: RugerHawg]
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None of your picks...I’d shoot a Nosler partition. I like old school lead tipped expansion with a lot of energy dump. The accubond sails right every deer I’ve shot and they run with zero blood trail with double lung shots. They act like FMJs.

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