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#3233993 - 02/16/20 09:33 AM Night calling firearm options
Indiyote Offline
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Registered: 02/29/16
Posts: 94
Loc: Indiana
So I'm having to many runners with my 223 ar 16 in barrel. Thinking of trying something different but dont have a lot to spend. Should I
A) try a longer barrel and different ammo
B) get a different caliber like 22 nosler
C) get a bolt gun in 243 or 22-250

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#3234001 - 02/16/20 09:53 AM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
1trkyhntr Online
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Registered: 09/27/09
Posts: 1295
Loc: Southside Virginia
What bullet are you shooting in the AR?

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#3234004 - 02/16/20 10:04 AM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
Toro Offline
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Registered: 02/06/19
Posts: 49
Loc: East
I use 223 with 16 inch barrel and have had same issue. I can tell you that I try not to shoot them facing me any more because I have had several take that 55 vmax right to the lower neck/upper chest area and do not drop. Sometimes I get them with follow up shot but usually they just spin around a few times and haul a—. Usually with me dumping the rest of the mag at em in desperation and disbelief. I am considering going with a different bullet for better penetration. Although I haven’t had a problem recovering them with a good shot behind shoulder with the vmax. My buddy uses 22-250 with a varmint bullet and usually crushes them when they are facing him. I think that their shoulders and brisket are pretty dense and my vmax might just be splashing on the bones and not getting the penetration for the head on shots. For now, I keep shooting till they stop moving. They are very tough.

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#3234015 - 02/16/20 10:57 AM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
1trkyhntr Online
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Registered: 09/27/09
Posts: 1295
Loc: Southside Virginia
I quit using 55gr VMax because of way too many runners. It got to where when a coyote dropped DRT I was amazed. Most ran, a lot were never recovered, and I looked pretty thoroughly for them.
I switched to Federal Fusion 62 gr. Much better results. Most are DRT, a few ran a little ways but nothing like I had with the VMax. I'm shooting both 16" and 20" barrels.


Edited by 1trkyhntr (02/16/20 10:58 AM)

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#3234019 - 02/16/20 11:21 AM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
Indiyote Offline
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Registered: 02/29/16
Posts: 94
Loc: Indiana
Been using 50 grain hollow points because I shoot fox occasionally and didnt want fur damage. Thinking of just going to a 243 or 22-250 and just giving the fox a pass. Have a 17wsm I can use on them

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#3234020 - 02/16/20 11:22 AM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
varminter .223 Online
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 03/01/10
Posts: 2583
Loc: south central Illinois
https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/upper-assemblies?spec_caliber=344&stock=2

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019957994

I've killed a lot of coyotes with various AR-15 calibers but Bear Creek makes it really simple with their side charging 20 inch 243 combined with midway's Dogtown ammo. Wait for your birthday discount at Midway and I think it's under $0.40 per round and it's sub MOA for five shots out of those 8 twist uppers. We have 2.
We mated ours to complete lower assemblies from Palmetto. In my opinion the side chargers can't be beat for a hunting rifle especially if you have to load and unload your rifle on every stand. I see they're out of stock but there's probably a good reason for that.
If I recall my rifle weighs 13.2 lb with no mag and a Trail xp50 on it.
If you do not reload and you want to stick with an AR-15 platform I would move to the 22 Nosler with a 22" barrel and it would probably be from White Oak Armament. We have a couple of those in 12 twist and they shoot very good with a lot of different bullets.
The bottom line is you've got to get into that neck shoulder nervous system area to shut them off drt even with the big stuff. 70 + grain bullets really pick up some slack though on lesser hits.


Edited by varminter .223 (02/16/20 11:45 AM)

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#3234029 - 02/16/20 12:48 PM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
jmeddy Offline
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Registered: 02/02/13
Posts: 202
Loc: SW PA
I started with a 223 using barnes 55gr or 50gr TSX, then went to a 22-250 using 50gr Vmax & in March '19 a 243 in ruger American youth model which I installed a slip on recoil pad for length. With scope & light is less than 6.5#. 75gr vmax & NO spinners or runners in the last 16 shot. Pelt damage is not bad if hit behind the shoulder blade & no exit if you hit shoulder blade or head! And another thing is, If I miss them on the 1st shot I am just throwing bullets with any follow ups..tehe


Edited by jmeddy (02/16/20 12:53 PM)

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#3234043 - 02/16/20 01:26 PM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
6mm06 Offline
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Registered: 07/31/05
Posts: 8163
Loc: USA

The 60 gr. V-Max anchors coyotes very well in my 16” AR. As far as changing calibers, if you stay with an AR platform then you might consider a 6x45 upper if you handload, or an upper in 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC 2 might be a good choice. If switching to a bolt gun, you will have a lot of options. The Ruger American might be one to consider in 6.5 Grendel or .243. Lots of choices to consider and it will basically boil down to your preference and where you hunt.

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#3234056 - 02/16/20 02:24 PM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
Kirsch Offline
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Registered: 10/13/09
Posts: 1569
Loc: North Dakota
You should shoot what you have confidence in. More coyotes have been shot with a .223 than probably any caliber. However, with that said, I don't own one as I don't like the ballistics.

I also no longer shoot Vmax. They all shoot great groups for me, but have had too many splashes from .17 Rem up to 22-250. I like HP bullets. They open up but hold together a little longer than vmax. In my 22-250, I really like Berger 52 gr target HPs.
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#3234106 - 02/16/20 07:04 PM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
Rhett Steele Offline
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Registered: 02/20/15
Posts: 459
Loc: Southern Indiana
6x45 is pretty cool. I'm starting to really like mine.

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#3234143 - 02/16/20 09:47 PM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Rhett Steele]
1lobo Online
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Registered: 05/28/14
Posts: 430
Loc: Southern Indiana
I agree with Rhett. 6x45 on an AR does a nice job. I load mine with 60 gr Sierra HP Varminter. I've heard the 6x45 called the Parvo by those who use it well.


Edited by 1lobo (02/17/20 07:52 AM)

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#3234161 - 02/17/20 12:06 AM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
Toro Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/06/19
Posts: 49
Loc: East
Was thinking about trying 55 grain Sierra game kings, out of 16inch 223, if they shoot good group. Anyone have any experience with them? Was wondering if it would get better penetration than vmax


Edited by Toro (02/17/20 08:51 AM)

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#3234178 - 02/17/20 06:24 AM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: Indiyote]
canineshooter Offline
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Registered: 01/19/03
Posts: 92
Loc: SD
I shoot 55 grain Game Kings, #1365 in a 22-250. This is my coyote bullet. Very good performance from all angles. Very accurate in my Tikka T3. Never loaded them in .223 though. I just read Sierra website, this bullet is recommended for higher velocities like the 22-250 or swift. Just like other guys I had to many shoulder splashes with 55 grain V-max. I use it just for prairie dogs now.

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#3234270 - 02/17/20 05:31 PM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: 1lobo]
6mm06 Offline
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Registered: 07/31/05
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Loc: USA

Originally Posted By: 1lobo
I've heard the 6x45 called the Parvo by those who use it well.

DoubleUp named it that and has dropped a truck load of coyotes with it.

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#3234281 - 02/17/20 06:30 PM Re: Night calling firearm options [Re: 6mm06]
1lobo Online
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Registered: 05/28/14
Posts: 430
Loc: Southern Indiana
That is quite correct and he does use it well. He scores coyotes at long yardage and drops them where they're hit most of the time.

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