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#3229495 - 01/22/20 07:33 AM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: lowholer1]
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I finally broke down and traded into an A bolt stalker 204. Figured it had been around long enough now that i would give it a try after all the good I've read about it. Shoots better than I do. It will never replace my trusty ol 222 though.

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#3229496 - 01/22/20 07:33 AM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: shelton573]
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I finally broke down and traded into an A bolt stalker 204. Figured it had been around long enough now that i would give it a try after all the good I've read about it. Shoots better than I do. It will never replace my trusty ol 222 though.

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#3229497 - 01/22/20 07:34 AM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: FLATHEAD67]
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Sorry about the double tap !

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#3229503 - 01/22/20 08:48 AM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: FLATHEAD67]
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Registered: 12/22/13
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Cabelas has the M12 for 369 again. Tough to find a better shooting 204r at that price.

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#3229709 - 01/23/20 12:23 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: tripod3]
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Originally Posted By: tripod3
Originally Posted By: 204 AR
It does seem like the popularity has died off a little. There's a lot of new stuff out there to capture people's interest.


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#3229715 - 01/23/20 12:52 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: shelton573]
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Registered: 12/17/16
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I had no idea people bought anything besides 6.5 Kardashian. 22-250, 223, 243 and 25-06 all work for me. The 204 is a cool little cartridge though.

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#3229720 - 01/23/20 01:49 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: bmoore]
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Registered: 03/08/10
Posts: 850
Loc: Walker, IA
Well, I hope it doesn't go the way of Remington's 5mm rim fire.
However, there are similar mistakes. Hornady and Ruger seemed to
think that they just HAD to come up with their own case. I make
the argument that they should have used the .223 Rem case as
the parent case. Are there reloaders who would have been much
more accepting of a round such as Practical 20 or .204AI using
the .223 case? Hornady could just as easily made brass for
those rounds as well as Ruger making production rifles for
either.

The ballistics of .204 bullets with the .223 as parent cases
are amazing, and AI'd, can out do the .204R. Even my Tac20 can
match my .204R Predator. I'm much more enthused with the
former.
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#3229724 - 01/23/20 02:00 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: shelton573]
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Everyone likes something new. Look at all the new cartridges out today. So many are similar to something old but just a little bit different. New sells and thats what keeps the doors open. If that weren't the case we'd all still be driving 55 Chevy's. But that wouldn't bother me to much. LOL
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#3229727 - 01/23/20 02:31 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: shelton573]
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22-204 or 6-204 may revive the interest.

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#3229728 - 01/23/20 02:32 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: shelton573]
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Registered: 02/15/12
Posts: 1270
Loc: SE Missouri
I have about 600 pieces of brass for it but I will likely shop for some more in the future just to help build up in case it does go away. Last time we shot prairie dogs it was hands down my favorite gun to shoot. I hope it sticks around for sure!
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#3229729 - 01/23/20 02:34 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: spotstalkshoot]
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Registered: 02/15/12
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Loc: SE Missouri
Originally Posted By: spotstalkshoot
Cabelas has the M12 for 369 again. Tough to find a better shooting 204r at that price.


I looked on cabelas and they do not list it but not sure if it is just going off my closest location. Can you send me a link if you have one? That is originally what he wanted to buy after shooting mine but they discontinued it for a while. If he can get one of those I know he will go that route. Thanks!
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#3229737 - 01/23/20 03:55 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: shelton573]
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The market gets saturated, everyone who could use one has one. Now it is just new shooters that are potential buyers. It is kind of a knitch cartridge only appealing to varmint and predator hunters and it is not a common caliber, the selection of 20 cal bullets is much smaller than lets say 224. It lacks the accuracy/support for precision games or the darling of everyone right now Long Range shooting. Under 300 yards preds and varmints are in mortal danger. Also pelt hunting seams to be on the decline and one of the advantages of the .204 was it's ability to take preds with little pelt damage.

The 204 case is really a pretty nice design and it wasn't Hornady's invention, they improved the 222 Rem Mag case and will do everything and then some compared to the 223 AI and is much easier to get to feed smoothly. At the time it came out AR's weren't a big deal and most short actions didn't have a 2.26 length restriction.

I started wildcatting the 204 case the year after became available and am shooting a 22-204(223 AI on steroids and feeds from everything), 6mm-206(Improved 6x47mm Rem Benchrest round that doesn't need custom dies) and the 25-204( a clone of the 257 Kimber again no custom dies needed) that matches the original factory ballistics of the 250-3000 Sav. and 257 Roberts. All of these are run it through a FL die, load and shoot, no fireforming needed.

Now we have a proliferation of AR's with their restrictive mag lengths and cartridges like the 20 Practical and other cartridges that are based on cases that operate comfortably in the AR platform are becoming popular.



Edited by AWS (01/23/20 03:57 PM)
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#3229738 - 01/23/20 04:00 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: shelton573]
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Registered: 08/12/11
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Loc: Central Texas
When the 204 Ruger first came out, the big thing that Ruger and Hornady supposedly wanted was to produce the fastest commercial cartridge which meant convincingly besting the 17 Remington velocity.

The 223 based 20 caliber off-springs that they initially tried did not safely give the necessary velocity, so the 204 Ruger was created from the longer .222 Remington Magnum case which allowed a bit more case volume over the 223 Remington. In addition, Hornady had produced a 33 grain 20 caliber bullet for quite a few years to meet the needs of Tactical 20 shooters and others who shot a few other 20 caliber wildcat cartridges long before the 204 Ruger was "invented". In order to get the needed velocity in a safe manner for the 204 Ruger, the bullet weight was reduced from 33 to 32 grains. (I still have a small stache of the 33 grain Hornady bullets that I had stockpiled for my Tactical 20 that I had built in @2000.)

Those two things, coupled with a standard chamber with a bit of extra free bore ala Roy Weatherby, made the 32 grain Hornady 204 Ruger loading the commercial velocity king.

Now that the world had suddenly "discovered" a new bore diameter with the introduction of the 204 Ruger, it wasn't long before some 223 based 20 caliber wildcats were created, one of which the internet told us was the "brand spanking new" 20 Practical - a simple neck down of the 223 Rem case. In fact, 20 caliber shooters had been loading and shooting the cartridge since the early 1980's. The just called it the 5mm-223. In addition 20 caliber wildcatter had shot a cartridge for years based on the 222 Rem Mag, which for other than a couple of very minor dimensional difference, looked amazing like the "new and totally innovative" 204 Ruger cartridge.
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#3229740 - 01/23/20 04:13 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: Winny Fan]
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Registered: 12/22/13
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Loc: so.mn
Shelton573, ad for J23-feb12 says 223,22-250,6.5,308. But a friend was in store asked about 204 they said same price, but sale had not started. So not sure now.

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#3229746 - 01/23/20 04:47 PM Re: Is the 204 becoming obsolete? [Re: Winny Fan]
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Registered: 10/19/03
Posts: 2221
Loc: Western NC
Originally Posted By: Winny Fan
When the 204 Ruger first came out, the big thing that Ruger and Hornady supposedly wanted was to produce the fastest commercial cartridge which meant convincingly besting the 17 Remington velocity.

The 223 based 20 caliber off-springs that they initially tried did not safely give the necessary velocity, so the 204 Ruger was created from the longer .222 Remington Magnum case which allowed a bit more case volume over the 223 Remington. In addition, Hornady had produced a 33 grain 20 caliber bullet for quite a few years to meet the needs of Tactical 20 shooters and others who shot a few other 20 caliber wildcat cartridges long before the 204 Ruger was "invented". In order to get the needed velocity in a safe manner for the 204 Ruger, the bullet weight was reduced from 33 to 32 grains. (I still have a small stache of the 33 grain Hornady bullets that I had stockpiled for my Tactical 20 that I had built in @2000.)

Those two things, coupled with a standard chamber with a bit of extra free bore ala Roy Weatherby, made the 32 grain Hornady 204 Ruger loading the commercial velocity king.

Now that the world had suddenly "discovered" a new bore diameter with the introduction of the 204 Ruger, it wasn't long before some 223 based 20 caliber wildcats were created, one of which the internet told us was the "brand spanking new" 20 Practical - a simple neck down of the 223 Rem case. In fact, 20 caliber shooters had been loading and shooting the cartridge since the early 1980's. The just called it the 5mm-223. In addition 20 caliber wildcatter had shot a cartridge for years based on the 222 Rem Mag, which for other than a couple of very minor dimensional difference, looked amazing like the "new and totally innovative" 204 Ruger cartridge.


And that is how I remember it.
While searching for an ultra light Predator rifle in a 17 Rem. I found the Kimber Montana in 204 which of course met all of my needs. Winny is right in saying it doesn't take to long researching loading manuals and observing chronograph display readings to notice that other 20 cal. or 24 cal. has to be pushed a lot to match the 204 velocities. The same holds true for the 17 Rem. vs the 17-223. Not a thing wrong with the other 20 and 17 calibers, but it's hard to overcome case volume. Similar to the old saying of cubic inch eventually takes over.
So to end my rambling, I am a big fan of the 204 and hope it stays.


Edited by K22 (01/23/20 04:47 PM)

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