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#3228191 - 01/14/20 12:23 PM I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266
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It is amazing. I have owned the LS64 and LS-XR. The OTM-266 blows it out of the water. It is a huge improvement. The image is incredible.

Just in case anyone is considering it.

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#3228199 - 01/14/20 01:03 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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If Flir has them at Shot Show, I hope to check them out. One caveat is every thermal looks good in a climate controlled, low humidity internal environment.
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#3228213 - 01/14/20 02:23 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: Kirsch]
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I don't have a lot of time outdoors with the OTM-266. But, just from some preliminary time outside with it last night, it is MUCH better than the LS-XR.

The LS-64 image was poor
The LS-XR image was okay
The OTM image is crisp and clear

I spoke to a very helpful person at FLIR today. He said it is okay to use rechargeable CR123s in it. That being said, I am still a little afraid to do that being they are higher voltage. I have heard so many warnings to avoid rechargeable CR123s.


Edited by BJJ223 (01/14/20 02:24 PM)

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#3228222 - 01/14/20 03:37 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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I had read in the Flir PTS manual that 3.7 volt rechargeables (standard 123s are 3v) are OK as well. If it doesn't state it in the manual, have them send you an email stating the same, and then you have proof if they ever say they won't warranty it due to a voltage situation.
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#3228328 - 01/15/20 08:39 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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I have the OTM 266 Scion with the 18mm lens, the FOV is awesome, tried the 25mm lens version and it truly is a long range capable kit.

Should be a Scion Bluetooth app available soon as well as an external rechargeable battery pack.
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#3228342 - 01/15/20 11:02 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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I think the 18mm lens is the way to go too for hunting. I could not be happier with my OTM-266. It exceeded all my expectations.

Until the Bluetooth App is available, how does a person transfer captured images and videos?

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#3228344 - 01/15/20 12:01 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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I know many will say the 1x is better as it gives a very wide FOV. However in some terrains there is a point where I prefer more base mag and a little less FOV. In the open plains I hunt, I like something between 1.4 and 2x. Anything less and you canít really tell if you are looking at a rabbit, coyote, deer and even a mouse in some extreme instances. It is also extremely hard to get any type of depth perception so you canít tell distances very well. I realize a scanner is to verify an animal, and scope to shoot, but personally I do find there is a point where more FOV no longer helps in certain terrains. Just my .02.
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#3228357 - 01/15/20 01:34 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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My old LS-XR had an 18x14 degree FOV
The OTM-266 has a 24x18 degree FOV

For me, the superior image and wider FOV makes it better than the LS-XR for me.

But, that is just my opinion. Everyone has different needs.

Now, how do you get photos out of the OTM266? The manual doesn't talk about this.


Edited by BJJ223 (01/15/20 04:30 PM)

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#3228377 - 01/15/20 04:22 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Curious how it compares to the Hogster-R as a scanner if anybody has looked through both. Obviously two different animals but still curious...
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#3228383 - 01/15/20 05:17 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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The Scion hasn't been out very long nor the Hogster. The potential of people who may have used or looked through both may be fairly limited. I put together a chart so you can compare. I included the Pulsar Helion XP38 in the comparison because that is in the field with me every time the Hogster is, and is the flagship scanner in the Pulsar line up. The two things that still surprise me every time I use the Hogster is how far I can see objects and how good the image is for a 384 thermal.

I will hopefully find out more about the future of the Scion series at Shot Show. It does sound like Flir has exited the Civilian Market and will no longer be carrying the PTS series. However, I did hear rumors they may continue with the Scion, but not sure how they will be sold.



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#3228384 - 01/15/20 05:24 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Thanks Kirsch for the table.

Regarding the OTM266 - The battery life is stated to be 4.5 hrs, it is 640x512, and it does have PIP.

Is there a 640 / 12um core Hogster in the works for the future? It looks like a nice scope.

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#3228389 - 01/15/20 05:41 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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I apologize on the PIP incorrect value for the OTM. I read over the information on their website and didn't see it or a detection rating. I updated the chart as I also found their detection information after a lot of digging. With detection, it depends on what they are using for size for detection, so it isn't always an apples-apples comparison.

I know Flir says the battery is 4.5 hours but they never seem to live up to their ratings for any company. They must test them in 80 degree weather. Pulsar indicated 10 hrs on the Helion when they first came out and I can barely get 5 if I am lucky in colder temps. Most places list 8 hrs for Pulsar but that is still a stretch in my opinion. However, I updated the chart to reflect what Flir states.

Bering Optics has a 640x480 scanner called the Phenom. I have one that I am testing right now. I will talk more about this scanner in the future. As far as the Hogster is concerned, I can ask Bering Optics this question at Shot Show. I kind of doubt it, but you never know. This scope was designed to appeal to a very large audience with a scope/scanner combo at a reasonable price. When you go 640x480, lots of times it prices many people out of the market.

I can tell you that I have had the Hogster 35mm in the field with my Pulsar Helion XP38 which is a 640x480 and it isn't very far off from an image standpoint, and in my opinion it has a much better image and detection in comparison to the older Flir core used in the Flir Scout III 640. What I am getting at is many people are stuck on something has to be a 640 res whether it really is an improvement or not.

It does appear the Scion is 640x512 res. Flir has it on in their product drop-down page listed as 640x480, so I changed this as well on the chart. Thanks for the clarifications.
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#3228492 - 01/16/20 08:44 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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For. now, to get photos and videos out, you have to hook up the mini-C USB plug to your computer and download them.

I installed a 64 GB mini SDHC card that holds tons of images and videos.

Also got a 27,000 mAHr rechargeable battery pack to run the OTM for a week at a time.
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#3228510 - 01/16/20 11:23 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: SkyPup]
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Skypup, do you know if the OTM-266 can use rechargeable CR123a batteries? They have a higher voltage.

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#3228578 - 01/16/20 05:47 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Have not tried them, I did try three 16650s and that did not work.

I donít see why they would not work though, since the rechargeable external battery pack I am using has the same higher Li ion voltage.
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#3228624 - 01/16/20 09:24 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: SkyPup]
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Originally Posted By: SkyPup
Have not tried them, I did try three 16650s and that did not work.

I donít see why they would not work though, since the rechargeable external battery pack I am using has the same higher Li ion voltage.


I've been looking at the Scion lately. I don't doubt you SkyPup, I just don't understand why 3 16650's won't work. 2 CR123's are the same length as 1 16650. That is disappointing. Maybe 6 16340's will work, but if not the Scion will cost way too much to operate as much as I hunt.
CR123's cost about $2.00 each in bulk. That is $12.00 every 4.5 hours.

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#3228629 - 01/16/20 09:32 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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If they do indeed take the rechargeable 3.7 volt CR123s, you can get them for $3-4 per battery and use them hundreds of times or use a battery pack.
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#3228707 - 01/17/20 10:45 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: Kirsch]
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FLIR M-18 was always my favorite hand scanner until the Scion came out, both have superb crystal clear views.
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#3228745 - 01/17/20 02:05 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: SkyPup]
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I have an email into FLIR about rechargeable CR123s. Hopefully, they will answer. I want to get something in writing before I try in case something goes wrong.

I will post their response.


Edited by BJJ223 (01/17/20 02:05 PM)

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#3228758 - 01/17/20 02:55 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Ask them about the Scion Bluetooth app too.
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#3228759 - 01/17/20 02:57 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: 1trkyhntr]
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Originally Posted By: 1trkyhntr
[quote=SkyPup]Have not tried them, I did try three 16650s and that did not work.

I donít see why they would not work though, since the rechargeable external battery pack I am using has the same higher Li ion voltage.


I've been looking at the Scion lately. I don't doubt you SkyPup, I just don't understand why 3 16650's won't work. 2 CR123's are the same length as 1 16650. That is disappointing. Maybe 6 16340's will work, but if not the Scion will cost way too much to operate as much as I hunt.


16650s are 3.7 volts, two CR123s are 6 volts.

Replacing two primary CR123s with one 16650 is not enough voltage.
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#3228763 - 01/17/20 03:34 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: SkyPup]
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Originally Posted By: SkyPup
Originally Posted By: 1trkyhntr
[quote=SkyPup]Have not tried them, I did try three 16650s and that did not work.

I donít see why they would not work though, since the rechargeable external battery pack I am using has the same higher Li ion voltage.


I've been looking at the Scion lately. I don't doubt you SkyPup, I just don't understand why 3 16650's won't work. 2 CR123's are the same length as 1 16650. That is disappointing. Maybe 6 16340's will work, but if not the Scion will cost way too much to operate as much as I hunt.


16650s are 3.7 volts, two CR123s are 6 volts.

Replacing two primary CR123s with one 16650 is not enough voltage.
You're right, hadn't thought about that.

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#3228798 - 01/17/20 06:08 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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If could somehow rewire the battery pack to take two 16650 in series it would work, but not in parallel.
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#3228840 - 01/17/20 10:55 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: SkyPup]
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Originally Posted By: SkyPup
If could somehow retire the battery pack to take two 16650 in series it would work, but not in parallel.


It's not a big deal to use 16340's. I already use them in an illumiator that I have. But my charger only does 2 at a time.
I'm looking at the Scion pretty seriously. I have never been disappointed with a FLIR product.

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#3230328 - 01/26/20 11:46 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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My buddy just got the Scion. He used regular CR123's (3V) until they died tonight. He replaced them with rechargeable CR123's (3.7v 16340's) and it would not work. The icons (compass, etc) were not displayed and it shut off repeatedly. He put in regular CR123's and it worked. Maybe other Scions will work with 16340's, but his won't.
He is happy with the image quality, but very disappointed that he cannot use rechargeable batteries.
Unless FLIR comes out with a rechargeable battery pack I won't be getting one for myself. I can't afford to feed it.


Edited by 1trkyhntr (01/26/20 11:54 PM)

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#3230355 - 01/27/20 09:08 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Any rechargeable battery pack works through the mini C USB port, my Anker 27,000 mAHr runs it for a week all day and night.
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#3230378 - 01/27/20 11:21 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: SkyPup]
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Originally Posted By: SkyPup
Any rechargeable battery pack works through the mini C USB port, my Anker 27,000 mAHr runs it for a week all day and night.


I can't find an Anker 27000 battery pack on their website. They list several 26800 models. Can you tell me where you got yours and what model#? Also, how did you attach it to the Scion?

Thanks

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#3230392 - 01/27/20 12:07 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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It doesn't need to be a 27000 battery pack. I also prefer Anker packs, but typically don't go that large as it is weight and capacity not needed. As Skypup says he can run it for a week. For me, why have something that large and heavy when a much smaller one will still last days. I typically use a 6700 or 10000 mAh pack. They all are typically 5v. A USB-c cord is fairly common and can be purchased for under $10 on Amazon.

I don't believe the OTM-266 or any of the OTMs have a picatinny rail attachment. One option would be to jbweld some type of tripod plate to the pack so it could be mounted on the bottom of the unit. This would not be an elegant solution. Just guessing, but assume Skypup probably has the battery in a pocket or vest, and is simply running a cable to the unit.
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#3230394 - 01/27/20 12:32 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: Kirsch]
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Originally Posted By: Kirsch
It doesn't need to be a 27000 battery pack. I also prefer Anker packs, but typically don't go that large as it is weight and capacity not needed. As Skypup says he can run it for a week. For me, why have something that large and heavy when a much smaller one will still last days. I typically use a 6700 or 10000 mAh pack. They all are typically 5v. A USB-c cord is fairly common and can be purchased for under $10 on Amazon.

I don't believe the OTM-266 or any of the OTMs have a picatinny rail attachment. One option would be to jbweld some type of tripod plate to the pack so it could be mounted on the bottom of the unit. This would not be an elegant solution. Just guessing, but assume Skypup probably has the battery in a pocket or vest, and is simply running a cable to the unit.


I just got off of the phone with my buddy. Unknown to me FLIR included an external battery pack with his Scion. He said that he could not figure out why they sent that he just assumed that it was a free gift and that it was maybe for a phone. He's going to try it and see if it powers the Scion. If so we'll figure out a way to attach it, maybe screw a clip into the 1/4x20 tripod mount and attach a pouch to that? I'll follow up if the pack works or not as soon as he lets me know.

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#3230427 - 01/27/20 06:12 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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FLIR officially responded via email that rechargeable CR123s are okay to use in the OTM266.

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#3230452 - 01/27/20 09:00 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Originally Posted By: BJJ223
FLIR officially responded via email that rechargeable CR123s are okay to use in the OTM266.


I don't know why my buddy's Scion did not like them. It does not make sense to me.
I will add this, my buddy ordered 16340's from Orbtronics and they are just a hair longer than alkaline CR123's. They will not fit in the Scion battery tray. I had a couple of 16340's from Elusive Wildlife and they are the exact same length as alkaline's and they did fit, but for whatever reason the Scion did not work right with them. According to my meter they were fully charged.
Before you order 16340's check the specs for the length. Sometimes protected cell rechargeable batteries are a little longer because of the protection circuit. The FLIR tray is tight even with alkaline's and too short for the longer protected cells.

I haven't heard back from him about the battery pack that FLIR sent.

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#3230583 - 01/28/20 06:45 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Thanks for that information 1trkyhntr!

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#3230605 - 01/28/20 08:11 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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I've been running Rechargeable 123s in the Hogster. It has a 3.7 volt option in setup for running the rechargeables. I realize this isn't Flir, but here are the batteries I have been using when not using a battery pack.
Link
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#3231272 - 02/02/20 10:45 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Can someone elaborate on the FLIR status? I've heard they recently announced they are no longer selling civilian thermals

Does this apply to all of their thermals including hand held scanners?
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#3231280 - 02/02/20 11:57 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: Burnsome...]
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Originally Posted By: Burnsome...
Can someone elaborate on the FLIR status? I've heard they recently announced they are no longer selling civilian thermals

Does this apply to all of their thermals including hand held scanners?
I have not seen an official announcement besides what was stated on their earnings report. Flir is not denying the rumors, and although riflescopes are still listed on their site, they are not showing as for sale. The 2 Flir OTS reps were not at the Flir booth any longer when I went to talk to them at Shot Show. From everything I have heard and read, they will support/service all existing models until they are out of warranty. The Scion and Breach will continue to be available as part of their Military and Law Enforcement offerings.

Although Flir will have some scanner options, many dealers focusing on the hunting market will stop carrying Flir all together for leaving the civilian market.
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#3231373 - 02/02/20 09:34 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Basically, they are not selling anything with a reticule to civilians anymore.
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#3231536 - 02/03/20 11:42 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: Kirsch]
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Originally Posted By: Burnsome...
Can someone elaborate on the FLIR status? I've heard they recently announced they are no longer selling civilian thermals

Does this apply to all of their thermals including hand held scanners?
I have not seen an official announcement besides what was stated on their earnings report. Flir is not denying the rumors, and although riflescopes are still listed on their site, they are not showing as for sale. The 2 Flir OTS reps were not at the Flir booth any longer when I went to talk to them at Shot Show. From everything I have heard and read, they will support/service all existing models until they are out of warranty. The Scion and Breach will continue to be available as part of their Military and Law Enforcement offerings.

Although Flir will have some scanner options, many dealers focusing on the hunting market will stop carrying Flir all together for leaving the civilian market.


And I, a civilian consumer, will stop buying FLIR. I have been a big FLIR fan, but I'll be looking elsewhere now for thermal. I am disappointed that they have made this choice.

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#3232058 - 02/06/20 11:04 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Dispite the not-so-long battery life and probably having to run with an external battery power source for long nights, I'm looking at the SCION OTM 266 640 60HZ 18MM vs the SCION OTM 136 320 60HZ 13.8MM for a scanner.

Most of my hunting is in the woods. Can someone recommend if the 13.8mm would be better than the 18mm for FOV? I'm leaning towards the 18mm though.


Edited by Burnsome... (02/06/20 11:06 AM)
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#3232059 - 02/06/20 11:13 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: Burnsome...]
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320 core will have half the FOV of 640 core with the same lens.
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#3233438 - 02/12/20 09:24 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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#3233444 - 02/12/20 09:56 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: Burnsome...]
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Originally Posted By: Burnsome...
I'm looking at the SCION OTM 266 640 60HZ 18MM vs the SCION OTM 136 320 60HZ 13.8MM for a scanner.

Most of my hunting is in the woods. Can someone recommend if the 13.8mm would be better than the 18mm for FOV? I'm leaning towards the 18mm though.
I have never used either. However, I would worry about the use in any type of humidity with a 320 res scanner with only a 13.8mm lens. The PTS233 had the 12-micron Boson core and has 320 res, and has an 18mm lens, and struggles in high humidity. I would assume the 13.8 would struggle even more. Again, just a guess.
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#3233789 - 02/15/20 01:32 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
Gman757 Offline
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I just ordered a FLIR Scion OTM-266. I am anxious to see the image with the Boson 640 12Ķm core.



Edited by Gman757 (02/15/20 01:36 AM)

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#3233805 - 02/15/20 08:19 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
Burnsome... Offline
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Loc: GA
The one I looked through last week was outstanding Gman. I think you will be happy.
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#3233810 - 02/15/20 09:00 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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They are the best bang for the buck in hand scanners, image is fantastic.
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#3234644 - 02/19/20 06:50 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
Burnsome... Offline
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Mine will be here tomorrow. Anybody got any battery pack and/or rechargeable CR123 recommendations?Spec sheet is kind of non-informational on the topic. Called FLIR a couple of weeks ago and they said their forthcoming rechargeable battery packs ae in development still

I have some 3.7V 800mAh rechargeable 123s if they would work?

ETA - Called and talked to the technical support folks at FLIR. They indicated their new rechargeable battery pack will probably be available the end of March timeframe. They also indicated rechargeable CR123s are fine/safe to use in the unit.


Edited by Burnsome... (02/20/20 11:54 AM)
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#3237651 - 03/10/20 08:47 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Been using SCION for a few weeks now and continue to be impressed. The rechargeable 123s work fine and I'm getting 3.5 +/- hours off a full charge, and thats within my normal night time hunting time-frame efforts. Resolution and detection is truly outstanding compared to my original Scout. Much less eye strain. I find myself using the black = hot display for the most part.

Basically in a nutshell, I'm seeing things with clarity and at distances at night that I never thought possible.

This year is going to be a bit expensive for me on the NV front. Just ordered the new Pulsar Digix NV scope and plan on ordering a Hogster-R 35 as well.
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#3238186 - 03/15/20 08:07 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
SkyPup Offline
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Call FLIR and get the 330 MB firmware upgrade and the new PDF manual to operate all the features.
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#3238234 - 03/15/20 02:41 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
JoeyJ Offline
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Registered: 02/01/13
Posts: 150
Loc: North Dakota
Is there much to gain with the Flir 366 in 640 over the 266 in 640?

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#3238249 - 03/15/20 05:32 PM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: JoeyJ]
SkyPup Offline
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No, unless you are in LE and use the TruWitness feature.
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#3238297 - 03/16/20 06:58 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
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Here is the lanyard attachment screw I use.


[url= https://www.amazon.com/Camera-SDTC-Tech-Install-Release/dp/B07TX7W141] https://www.amazon.com/Camera-SDTC-Tech-Install-Release/dp/B07TX7W141[/url]
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#3238299 - 03/16/20 08:10 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
SkyPup Offline
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Here is the new vastly improved user manual:


[url= http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20SCION%20640%20BOSON/19-0872-OTS-SCION-User%20manual_FINAL_V3_2020_REVISION.pdf] http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Visi...20_REVISION.pdf[/url]
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#3238307 - 03/16/20 09:59 AM Re: I bought the FLIR Scion OTM-266 [Re: BJJ223]
Burnsome... Offline
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Registered: 11/24/18
Posts: 370
Loc: GA
Thanks SkyPup
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