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#3226609 - 01/05/20 03:28 PM What would you do?
BrianID Offline
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Registered: 12/03/18
Posts: 316
Loc: El Paso, TX/Idaho

Yesterday I walked into this stand an set up where the purple circle is. Before calling I decided to do a quick scan with my binoculars. I spotted a coyote sunny itself and ranged it at 542 years. 1-3 mph breeze is in my face and blowing slightly to my right. The coyote did not appear to see me and after a minute of watching it, it puts it's head down and appears to be taking a nape at 9am. In the last 12 months I've called in 5 coyotes within a mile of this spot that got away so this could be an educated coyote.


What would you do?

#1 Take the shot at 542 yards. I can get prone with a dead solid rest across my pack. My gun will shoot 5 shots in less than 1/2" at 100 yards when I can get prone with a good rest. The downside is today I have my 223 with only a 40 grain nosler ballistic tip at 3800 fps. With minimal wind I think I could hit him with a 223 at that distance but the 40 gr bullet would be going less than 1500 fps. I passed on the shot. If I had a larger rifle with me I may have laid out prone and taken the shot.

#2 Try to stalk closer for a shot without calling. I could sneak around to the right and could probably get less than 300 yards. Even though the wind is good, I would worry that the coyote might hear or see me while trying to get closer. The ground has a lot of loose gravel and it isn't easy to be completely quite. I was actually a little surprised this coyote hadn't busted me while I was setting up 542 yards away.

#3 Start immediately calling as I was planning to before I saw this coyote.

#4 Wait 5-10 minutes for things to quite down before starting to call just incase this coyote did hear or see me approaching the stand and it just isn't looking at me because I'm far enough away that it doesn't feel threatened. Coyotes in Southern NM Creosote country tend to not be as skittish at 300-500 yards like coyotes I've hunted in more open spaces like Idaho and Wyoming. Would you start calling with an aggressive rabbit in distress sound as planned or would you do a softer sound and not as aggressive? Or would you try howling?

#5 Move stand locations before starting to call. The sun is in my face and I could circle about 500 yards to my right and still have a wind in my favor. In the below picture, the coyote is where the red circle is and the purple arrow shows the wind direction.



I've been in this situation multiple times. I really like spotting coyotes before I start calling so I can see their reactions to my calls.

I'll post up the results of what I did and what the coyote did in a few days.

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#3226616 - 01/05/20 03:42 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
crapshoot Offline
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Registered: 03/22/02
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Loc: Henderson,Nevada,USA
#3 softly. maybe start with lip squeaks.
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#3226620 - 01/05/20 03:56 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
Terry Lightle Offline
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Registered: 01/13/19
Posts: 239
Loc: Sand Springs,Okla
Yep#3 for me

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#3226637 - 01/05/20 05:06 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
ctm Offline
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Registered: 09/24/12
Posts: 2
Loc: El Paso, TX
I know that area!,

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#3226641 - 01/05/20 05:25 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: ctm]
tripod3 Offline
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 8663
Loc: WA
Shoot and if you miss reload and start calling!
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#3226655 - 01/05/20 06:08 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
hm1996 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/06
Posts: 16544
Loc: S. Texas
Hard to judge range from picture, but 540 yards not a % shot IMO, especially for that load.

If my guestimate is right, looks like you could follow that sandy wash to the left of the dirt bank that points toward your coyote. Where it turns to the left, you could approach in defilade behind that low ridge, thus cutting about 1/3 off the range. 350 is still a longer poke than I'd like, but soft calls might get him a bit closer and you could make that decision once you make the move.

Regards,
hm
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#3226658 - 01/05/20 06:25 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
Vance Offline
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 360
Loc: Southern Utah
Start calling right there and dump him with the shotgun at 35 yards as he is hard charging my position.

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#3226659 - 01/05/20 06:26 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: ctm]
BrianID Offline
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Registered: 12/03/18
Posts: 316
Loc: El Paso, TX/Idaho
ctm,

Compared to other areas in Southern NM it doesn't have really high numbers of coyotes but there are a few and it isn't too far of a drive from El Paso. If you recognize the exact spot, I would be impressed. Feel free to send me a PM if you think you know the exact spot and I could confirm it for you.

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#3226670 - 01/05/20 06:54 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
Pa. Mick Online
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Registered: 01/11/11
Posts: 2114
Loc: Southern shores of Lake Erie ,...
#5 In my area which is much different than yours, many times I have wished I had repositioned myself after getting burnt. Once you start calling it’s not to easy to change positions.

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#3226671 - 01/05/20 07:08 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
AWS Online
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 5654
Loc: NM
I'd call it just like you never saw him, he isn't sleeping he is napping with ears and nose on full alert. All you have to do is bump a bird or rabbit, step on a dry bunch of grass or crunch some stone. Who knows there might be a coyote between you and him you didn't see.

I've found that when you go into a new area make the first stand that looks reasonable, after the stand look the area over and see if there would have been a better stand and log that for the future.


Edited by AWS (01/05/20 07:11 PM)
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#3226676 - 01/05/20 07:41 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
Brad Phillips Offline
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Registered: 01/11/04
Posts: 1222
Loc: Gilbertville, IA
Well, first I would crap if I had a view like that ! And then when my pulse and brain were “normal” start out low and slow. Especially, if I could view reactions. I envy you.
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#3226685 - 01/05/20 08:12 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: Brad Phillips]
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Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 2043
Loc: so.mn
Three options for the coyote,1. Stay bedded(see it all the time during the day in farm country) 2. Comes to call 3. Moves away. I don't think any of your options would change or improve you odds of a shot. Staying put gives you a visible target and gives you confidence that you have not moved coyote out during the approach to stand.

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#3226687 - 01/05/20 08:18 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
Hellgate Offline
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Registered: 08/28/12
Posts: 536
Loc: Orygun
I’d move to that little dark rockpile on the left out in front staying as hunkered down as possible and get set up to where you can see him approach and the start with a low call like rodent or irate bird. That puts you closer and with a better view of his approach.
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#3226733 - 01/05/20 10:20 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
flintrock Offline
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Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 931
Loc: flinthills ks
If it were exhibiting typical coyote behavior it would have curled up with its back to the wind and facing your direction. With the sun in your face any movement by you would be easy for it to see. Therefore hope it hadn't seen you yet and start calling, would be my way of thinking. Sometimes my thinking and actions don't coincide though!
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#3226743 - 01/05/20 11:03 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
DesertRam Offline
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Registered: 04/26/01
Posts: 9012
Loc: Las Cruces, NM USA
#3 for me.
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