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#3226790 - 01/06/20 11:05 AM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
tawnoper Offline
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Registered: 02/24/03
Posts: 611
Loc: West coast
#3. If the coyote continued with it's nap it had no idea you were there. I would have started calling and been watching for others as well.

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#3226855 - 01/06/20 06:05 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
DiRTY DOG Offline
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Registered: 08/27/09
Posts: 2829
Loc: West
#3. It's called predator calling not target shooting. I'd rather call them in, that's most of the fun.
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#3226883 - 01/06/20 09:01 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: DiRTY DOG]
derbyacresbob Offline
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Registered: 04/05/07
Posts: 4642
Loc: Kern County, CA
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOG
#3. It's called predator calling not target shooting. I'd rather call them in, that's most of the fun.


I agree, call that coyote in!

I have never taken binoculars out on a coyote calling stand with me. I like looking for movement. I don't want binoculars keeping me from seeing the big picture.

I would rather use the time making more calling stands than glassing for coyotes before or after the stand.

Instead of carrying binoculars I have a camera hanging around my neck on most stands that I make.

If I did spot a coyote out there while setting up my caller I would probable try Voles Squeaks or Adult Rat in distress at about half volume. If no reaction raise the volume up, if still no reaction I would play Pup Distress 3 on full volume.
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#3226929 - 01/07/20 01:22 AM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
Lazerus Offline
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Registered: 12/08/16
Posts: 531
Loc: lost in the desert
I hunt with a 300 blk so #1 is out. BUT, if I did have the proper rifle on the given day I would take that shot. Only because where I hunt we never get that kind of opportunity.
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#3226973 - 01/07/20 11:23 AM Re: What would you do? [Re: DiRTY DOG]
BrianID Offline
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Registered: 12/03/18
Posts: 316
Loc: El Paso, TX/Idaho
Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOG
#3. It's called predator calling not target shooting. I'd rather call them in, that's most of the fun.


I totally agree. I really enjoy calling coyotes and watching them come in. I would rather have one start running off when I start calling than to miss a Hail Mary shot at long range on one. If I had a bigger gun with me that was capable of cleaning killing a coyote at 500+ yards I would have still tried calling this dog in.

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#3226981 - 01/07/20 11:54 AM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
BrianID Offline
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Registered: 12/03/18
Posts: 316
Loc: El Paso, TX/Idaho
I decided to go with option #4 with soft sounds. I think several other things could have worked on this coyote. It ended up being only a pup instead of one of the older coyotes I've educated in this area.

I normally set up my stands in a sitting position because it allows to me swing for a shot when a coyote comes from a directing I don't expect. I laid prone since I could predict the direction this coyote was going to come in. If it decide to hang up at 300 yards, that would be a dead coyote almost every time if I am prone. While sitting, a 300 yard shot for me might be 75% confidence in a dead coyote.

I probably started calling about 8 minutes after I first arrived at the stand. The coyote was still napping with his head down and I was laid out prone watching him through my scope. I started with baby cotton tail sound on my fox pro at a volume of only 14. I could barely hear the sound from my foxppro and it was only 10 yards away. After about 10 seconds of calling the coyote picked its head up and looked my direction. After 30 seconds of calling the coyote got up and started trotting my directions. After the coyote moved 50 yards in my direction it disappeared in the creosote and I couldn't see it any longer. I decided to mute my fox pro then but I think this was a mistake. After not seeing the coyote for 2-3 minutes I started to get worried it wasn't coming in and stared the baby cottontail again at low volume. About a minute later I spotted the coyote trotting in toward me at about 300 yards. I killed the sound again but the coyote continued to come in. It stopped a couple times when it was about 200 yards out but I decided to let it come closer before taking the shot.
The red circle shows the dead coyote. Dropped right where I shot it.

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I think it was a good choice to stop the sounds intermittently because I think it helped the coyote not come in too fast. When they come in slow and stop naturally on their own multiple times, I find it much easier to get a good shot opportunity. I prolly should have waited until it was closer before muting the sound on this occasion. I was just worried if I “over called” it may decide to not come in.

I tried calling for about 15 more minutes after dropping this coyote but I didn't see anything else come in.


Edited by BrianID (01/07/20 04:43 PM)

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#3226985 - 01/07/20 12:15 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
BrianID Offline
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Registered: 12/03/18
Posts: 316
Loc: El Paso, TX/Idaho
Here are my thoughts on the different options.

#1 Take the shot at 542 yards. Even though I think I could have hit him I didn't every really consider this option for two reasons. Most importantly the gun/bullet combination wasn't a good choice to be shooting at a coyote at this distance. Second and almost as important, I really like calling them in more than shooting them.

#2 Try to stalk closer for a shot without calling. I think this could have worked but I would rather call in a coyote than stalk a coyote.

#3 Start immediately calling as I was planning to before I saw this coyote. This would have likely worked but I was concerned the coyote saw/heard me moving into my stand. I was skylined temporarily moving into the stand and the gravel I was walking on was noisy.I was hoping if it did, it would forget about it after napping for a few minutes before I started to call.


#5 Move stand locations before starting to call. I think this could have worked too but it would have been risky. Besides having the sun in my face, I was really happy about everything else with my stand location. Moving forward or to the right would result in a lot of noise because of the steep gravel hillside I was on. It would have also left me wide open exposed with the sun glaring on me. Moving forward would have given me a better view of the Creosote brush that the coyote was likely to disappear in when I started calling and put me in reasonable rifle range if the coyote decided to not come in but I thought the risk of spooking the coyote while moving forward wasn't worth the benefit.

Backing up and circling to the right would have been less noisy but there is still a chance the coyote would spot or hear me. I was actually surprised that it didn't seem aware of me already.

Overall I'm happy with the decision I made on this stand. I've been in this scenario a couple other times where the coyotes decided to run the other way when I started calling. I think I could have called this one into less than 20 yards but after missing a couple in this area and having a few others get away without getting a shot, I wasn't going to pass on non moving broadside coyote at 54 yards.



Edited by BrianID (01/07/20 05:08 PM)

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#3227013 - 01/07/20 03:28 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
hm1996 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/06
Posts: 16541
Loc: S. Texas
Obviously you made the right choice.....dead coyote.

Is that dark spot the coyote on top of the ridge in middle of circle? If so, I figured that would have been about 180 yards away based on picture; a fifty some yard advance would definitely have not been a good choice.

Would love to hunt that type terrain some time and be able to observe their reactions from afar. Only time we can see them that far away in the brush country is if they are trotting down (or across) a pipeline or sendero.

Congrats! Gotta love it when a plan comes together. thumbup

Regards,
hm
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#3227030 - 01/07/20 05:01 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: hm1996]
BrianID Offline
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Registered: 12/03/18
Posts: 316
Loc: El Paso, TX/Idaho
Originally Posted By: hm1996
Obviously you made the right choice.....dead coyote.
Is that dark spot the coyote on top of the ridge in middle of circle? If so, I figured that would have been about 180 yards away based on picture; a fifty some yard advance would definitely have not been a good choice.


I often make the wrong choice and end up having the coyote get away. I have a lot of respect for the coyotes intelligence and ability to thrive in multiple types of habitats. They are one of the few animals that we as humans have tried to eliminate but have been unsuccessful. They are true survivors.

I hope everyone found this scenario interesting. I have some other interesting situations I'll post when I have time. I always enjoy learning from others here.

This picture shows the dead coyote a little better. I didn't range it until after I shot but it was only 54 yards. I also had a good shot opportunity when it was only 100 yards out but I wanted to see him come in closer. When he was standing on the hill and started to act nervous, I decide I better shoot before it was too late. I've made the mistake of watching and calling coyotes for several minutes when I could have easily shot them multiple times only to end up never getting another good shot opportunity before they decide to leave.

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#3227041 - 01/07/20 05:49 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
hm1996 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/06
Posts: 16541
Loc: S. Texas
That's the spot I was considering moving to in # 5 thinking it was about 180 yards forward of the spot from which picture was taken. Sure wouldn't have been worth the effort to try the stalk to gain only 50 yards.

Thanks, Brian, interesting post.

Regards,
hm
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#3227048 - 01/07/20 06:27 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
Infidel 762 Offline
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Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 6951
Loc: Okie
You did the right thing

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#3227194 - 01/08/20 04:35 PM Re: What would you do? [Re: BrianID]
Runnin'Hard Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 12/13/17
Posts: 214
Loc: Eastern Washington
I always sit for 5-10 minutes before I ever start calling to give time for things to settle down, also for me to get my breathing right as I have usually walked in quite a bit and am breathing harder than normal. Hard for me to look thru my scope when I am taking big deep breaths. My father always did that when I was a kid 50 years ago, so I have continued doing so. I would have done what you did, not saying it is right for all, just part of my pre game routine..

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