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#3218559 - 11/16/19 08:22 PM full circle on calls...
Coyote-conquest Offline
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Registered: 02/01/18
Posts: 86
Loc: Kentucky, US
I started predator hunting about 5 years ago with a couple cheap mouth calls. Reading the internet made me think it was so much easier and I would have coyotes tripping over each other with an E-caller. So I bought an Icotec. It was ok and I was somewhat successful. But they weren't tripping over eachother... I used that a while but the grass is always greener so I had to spend more money to be more successful.
Of course I bought a FoxPro Banshee and used that for a while. It worked at first but I got sick of packing it. It was heavy. And it got to where I would see less and less coyotes with it. A couple times the rechargable batteries acted up or one went bad and I was stuck in the field packing a call that didn't work. It just became a pain. The last time the batteries acted up and I couldn't get it to come on I used a mouth call and had one come right in.
A week later I went out with just mouth calls and had another successful hunt. So I started leaving it at home and taking just mouth calls. I have had fairly good success. A lot more than with the Foxpro, so now I'm back to just mouth calls.
I think too many people have foxpros around here. Coyotes know the sounds. Mouth calls have been working great for me and are a lot lighter. Has anybody else went back to mouth calls after using E-calls?

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#3218569 - 11/16/19 10:28 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: Coyote-conquest]
DesertRam Offline
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Registered: 04/26/01
Posts: 8806
Loc: Las Cruces, NM USA
Not completely, but I do still leave the e-caller in the truck and run hand calls from time to time. I've got a bunch of custom calls from makers here and like to take the opportunity to use them.
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#3218577 - 11/16/19 11:12 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: DesertRam]
tripod3 Offline
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 8380
Loc: WA
I have had an ecall for decades, there are places they work well.
Decades ago I realized a better success rate with handcalls even when calling from the truck.
This is one place that sounding pitiful can be a good thing.
I can recall many sets like yesterday but here is a good example,
Sitting on a barren ridge in my truck with three finger draws extending equally and within minutes of letting loose on a handcall, three coyotes came charging up each draw.
I could only get one as the windshield gets in the way. Got a second one a few days after.
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#3218578 - 11/16/19 11:21 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: DesertRam]
Snowshoes Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 12/04/04
Posts: 1277
Loc: Central Alberta
Originally Posted By: DesertRam
Not completely, but I do still leave the e-caller in the truck and run hand calls from time to time. I've got a bunch of custom calls from makers here and like to take the opportunity to use them.


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Still use an e-caller but it does get left in the truck a fair bit lately.
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#3218580 - 11/16/19 11:42 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: Coyote-conquest]
AdamT Offline
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Registered: 01/04/15
Posts: 2591
Loc: Southwest Virginia, USA
I have more success when using hand calls for my distress sounds. I do take along the Foxpro for some vocal mixes and some other sounds I just canít do with hand calls. I called and killed my first ever using hand calls and a simple old Remington 700 in .222. I got the disease and got a foxpro, bought a bunch of rifles in calibers that all start with .22, added a lot of really nice custom hand calls from makers here, upgraded foxpro models, and bought a bunch of other gear I couldíve done just fine without. I still use my e call, but all I truly need is my simple .222 and some hand calls, just like when I connected on my first one. But itís all fun and having a variety of rifles and custom calls isnít necessarily a bad thing.
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#3218596 - 11/17/19 07:59 AM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: Coyote-conquest]
AWS Offline
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 5239
Loc: NM
I let the stand tell me which is best. I hunt a lot of very tight cover alone where you don't see a coyote until he is in shotgun range, a remote e-caller works very well here. More open the country is the more likely I will use a hand call, even more so when hunting with a partner. I do use a Minaska M-1 Bandit allot which is the size of a small bible so packing a e-call isn't a big deal.

I've suffered from asthma for a long time and it has only been since I retired that I can use a mouth call without breaking out into a coughing fit.
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#3218632 - 11/17/19 12:51 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: Coyote-conquest]
OKRattler Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 02/17/08
Posts: 3414
Loc: Ok Panhandle
I take both,if I don't take both I take mouth calls. For tight cover I like an electronic. I'll use one in open country too though. There are a bunch of sounds I can't make on a mouth call and if it's windy I can turn the volume up on an e-call. But I can't say I notice too big of a difference when I use an e-call or a hand call as far as numbers go. Coyotes don't think like humans. We can tell a difference but I think if they have a bad experience with a "rabbit" they're going to be leary regardless.

I don't just play one sound on a stand generally. Very rarely do I so I'd rather have a bunch of sounds to choose from. What time of year it is has a lot to do with that too. I've developed my own system for calling that seems to work well for me that I base off of the areas I call and when I'm calling those spots.
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#3218634 - 11/17/19 01:11 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: Coyote-conquest]
ackleyman Offline
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Registered: 01/08/03
Posts: 8604
Loc: Hickville
There are some hand calls that seem to work when nothing else does, because they do not sound anything like an e caller.

Hand calls are just another tool in the tool box.

One thing for sure, when the coyotes are call wise, knowing the coyote language, using various pitch howlers is the only way to go...forget distress calls, period.

If you ever get to go on a hunt where two guys know how to howl, you are in for a real treat!


Edited by ackleyman (11/17/19 01:12 PM)

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#3218641 - 11/17/19 03:08 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: Coyote-conquest]
Yotarunner Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 11/14/14
Posts: 351
Loc: Far east central alberta
I find these days that the ECall gets brought out when the coyotes start to get really pressured. I know that's completely opposite of what everyone else does but I find mixing in oddball sounds like porcupine distress or fox fights along with my hand calls can often dislodge some of those call shy dogs
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#3218644 - 11/17/19 03:36 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: Coyote-conquest]
elalto Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/07/02
Posts: 154
Loc: Chula Vista, CA San Diego

Day time calling is when I will use an e-caller as the sound is away from you and the animals focus on the sound. At night, I like the predator to be looking right at me so I will use the hand call. The night time calling requires that the animal looks toward you for the light to hit their eyes.

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#3218658 - 11/17/19 05:50 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: Coyote-conquest]
crapshoot Offline
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Registered: 03/22/02
Posts: 22273
Loc: Henderson,Nevada,USA
I use both at any given time. Sometimes at the same time.
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#3218671 - 11/17/19 07:40 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: crapshoot]
spotstalkshoot Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 1737
Loc: so.mn
I have a hard time seeing the remote settings on my fox pro in low light, without my reading glasses. So I have been using mouth calls early and late. Anytime I believe placing the ecaller(super quiet conditions or snow super noisy, may skylight myself) would possibly ruin the approach to the setup I mouth call.

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#3218686 - 11/17/19 09:04 PM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: Coyote-conquest]
crazyyote Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 03/15/11
Posts: 472
Loc: ohio
I use both on almost every outing. I like the electronics to stay downwind. I like the hand calls to give them sounds they are not used to. I also have some sounds on the FoxPro they've not heard from other hunters. Old sounds from cassette that got uploaded. They work well.

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#3218726 - 11/18/19 08:06 AM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: crazyyote]
btech29 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 01/17/11
Posts: 1488
Loc: NW Arkansas
Sometimes the hand call works wonders. Good to switch things up from time to time. For me over a years time the E Call will kill more coyotes hands down.

Banshee heavy? I guess 2 pounds can be pretty tough to carry around all day. lol
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#3218728 - 11/18/19 08:15 AM Re: full circle on calls... [Re: btech29]
brock2013 Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 04/13/08
Posts: 374
Loc: Colorado
Hand call is the most productive for me. It seems like everyone around here runs around playing foxpro sounds so the coyotes donít respond as much. Every now and then Iíll take out the foxpro and I still call in a couple with it.

Originally Posted By: btech29
Sometimes the hand call works wonders. Good to switch things up from time to time. For me over a years time the E Call will kill more coyotes hands down.

Banshee heavy? I guess 2 pounds can be pretty tough to carry around all day. lol


I agree with not wanting to carry the banshee around all day because even though 2 pounds isnít much, if your walking 10 miles or more a day to hunt like I do a lot, then I dont need any extra weight than I already carry.

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