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#3098242 - 10/18/17 06:50 PM Re: 223 reduced loads WITH blue dot [Re: Mike B]
Mort98 Online
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Registered: 09/21/14
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After the bit of research on reduced 223 loads I think if I give them a try I will just stick to Trail Boss. Just seems to be the safe road to travel here.

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#3215643 - 10/20/19 04:31 PM Re: 223 reduced loads WITH blue dot [Re: Rangerat]
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Registered: 03/28/13
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Sorry to abandon this thread but I'm getting that itch again. So I don't mean to recommend the loads I've mentioned, I'm not particularly quick to try loads I find on line either. If you care to use my data to help develop your own you do so at your own risk. I have some level of confidence with my experiments but I also take responsibility for my own actions, caution is the better part of valor. If you have even the slightest inkling that you would be better served sticking to published data, I highly recommend listening to your gut. I haven't managed to blow my own face off, yet.

That said, nothing ventured, nothing gained. For those interested, I did experiment down from an already moderate load of AA2200 of 19.5gr under a 55gr VMAX. I surmised by existing published load data that the 2200 is a bit slower than 2230, somewhere around the rate of 2015BR, H322, H4198. As previously stated, I experimented extensively with reduced H4198 loads years ago base on that old article "Petite Loads for Squirrels" in Handloader 157 (May-June 1992) with excellent results. I was getting superior accuracy at 22 WMR velocities with slightly heavier bullets. I decided it was worth a try and worked down from 19.5gr to 18.0gr in .5gr increments, testing for accuracy, measuring my brass, listening for any evidence of squibbs, and checking barrel/bore regularly. I can't exactly remember why I stopped at 18.0gr but I know they were getting nice and quiet and accuracy was measurably better at 18.0 than at 19.5, all this in my little Savage.
The 75gr VMAX experiment is to hopefully have a quiet(ish) load with better wind bucking and energy retention down range. Hoping to do some coyote hunting without having to drive quite so far out.

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#3215645 - 10/20/19 05:02 PM Re: 223 reduced loads WITH blue dot [Re: Rangerat]
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Registered: 03/04/18
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Loc: Idaho
I remember using 19 grains of 4198 in a .22-250 and had very good accuracy. Blue dot is a much hotter powder, so smaller loads naturally.
If you know what you are doing there is nothing wrong with loading this way.

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#3217595 - 11/08/19 10:44 AM Re: 223 reduced loads WITH blue dot [Re: Rangerat]
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Registered: 10/25/19
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Loc: Idaho
Ditto 12-13 grs of Blue Dot with 40-55 gr bullets. Shoot sub MOA in capable rifles and usually to same POI as full power / velocity loads. Case fill will be over 50% so double charges shouldn't occur if you pay attention.

Have shot thousands of them, low heat in barrel too!!

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#3217597 - 11/08/19 11:12 AM Re: 223 reduced loads WITH blue dot [Re: Frankm]
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Originally Posted By: Frankm
Ditto 12-13 grs of Blue Dot with 40-55 gr bullets. Shoot sub MOA in capable rifles.
Have shot thousands of them, low heat in barrel too!!


I was just at the range Sunday and tried 13 grains of BD in my .223 AI with the 40 grain Vmax. I did not have that many loaded up but shot four consecutive three shot groups about 3/8" at 100 yards then shot two ragged hole five shot groups. Low noise, low pressure, accurate and will flip a ground squirrel in orbit. Something not to like about that?
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#3217601 - 11/08/19 01:35 PM Re: 223 reduced loads WITH blue dot [Re: Rangerat]
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I've been using 800x from the Calhoun sight in my 222 Rem, 223, 5.6x50R Mag and 22-204 for small game loads and finishers. I also run 800x in the 25-204 with cast bullets. The Calhoun info has been around for a very long time, they started with 800x and then went to BlueDot, I never made the transition as 800x worked just fine for me.
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#3217611 - 11/08/19 03:05 PM Re: 223 reduced loads WITH blue dot [Re: AWS]
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Registered: 03/04/18
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I loaded some Speer 100 grain half-jacket varmint bullets over 8 grains of Unique for my .30-30 and have a really nice accurate plinking round. I could go up to 10 grains but don't feel the need. This combo would work for .308 and .30-06.

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#3217792 - 11/10/19 12:38 PM Re: 223 reduced loads WITH blue dot [Re: Rangerat]
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Registered: 10/25/19
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Loc: Idaho
AWS, you re exactly right... 800X works well also just at a slightly lighter charge. I like BD as it meters better than 800X but both do a good job!

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#3217794 - 11/10/19 01:11 PM Re: 223 reduced loads WITH blue dot [Re: Rangerat]
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I used to shoot 700x in my 300 Sav with 170gr cast bullets, it was extremely accurate and did kill many fox with that rig when they worth $100/ea with little pelt damage.
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