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#3215341 - 10/18/19 09:56 AM Atn X sight 5X20 day night scope.
Ohiolongarm Offline
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Anyone have any experiences to share i'm thinking of springing for one.

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#3215379 - 10/18/19 03:37 PM Re: Atn X sight 5X20 day night scope. [Re: Ohiolongarm]
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Ohio, there is recent discussion in the Night Calling section of the 4k model that you might want to view. There are some videos there also to give you an idea of how the scope looks.

To follow up on your question, I have experience with both the X-Sight 2 and the latest 4k model. I no longer have the X-Sight 2, and my 4k is the 3-14x one. Overall I like it and itís a definite improvement over the second generation X-Sight 2 with regards to a very increased battery life and better eye relief. It seens to be more light sensitive also.

I basically consider the 4k scope to be a reliable 100 yard one, but feel confident I could drop a coyote further, depending on the external IR light source used. Both scopes do require good IR of about 850nm but I do use it in conjunction with a 940nm spotlight that has 198 LEDís and is total stealth with no red glow. The 940 is mounted on a tall post 25 yards from a baitsite and deployed remotely as needed. Range is very limited with the 940 but a good 850nm illuminator does a pretty good job, considering use with a digital scope. The 4k scope seems to see IR better than the second generation model.

Hope this has been of some help. If you have specific questions then post them up. I or someone will hopefully help answer them.

Welcome to the forums, by the way.


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#3215520 - 10/19/19 05:52 PM Re: Atn X sight 5X20 day night scope. [Re: 6mm06]
Ohiolongarm Offline
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Thanks for the input,i'll have to do more research,maybe thermal is the way to go,the night scope seems like it could get complicated especially at the lower price.I'm only looking to make one purchase ,any other feedback is welcome,i can shoot a coyote easily at 100 with a predator light so what am i gaining with the ATN?Anyway THX i'll keep researching.

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#3215539 - 10/19/19 08:36 PM Re: Atn X sight 5X20 day night scope. [Re: Ohiolongarm]
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Ohio, what you would gain with either night vision or thermal is more stealth and less signature to draw attention to yourself or of not spooking a predator with visible light. I know that red lights have been used successfully for decades, but night vision and thermal have dramatically changed the game. Digital night vision requires an illuminator that has a red glow which can be seen, though it is more subtle like the red glow of a trail camera, but still has a signature. Gen 3 night vision can get by without an illuminator with some ambient light, such as from a lighter sky or partial moon. Thermal is a whole different scope that is pure stealth.

There are pros and cons to both. You may have read about being able to identify the target animal. That is easier with night vision whereas thermal gives a heat signature, meaning care must be taken to determine the target is a coyote and not the farmerís dog. I love thermal and would be hard pressed to do without it, but digital night vision can be effective too. It mainly comes down to how and where you hunt as to which one to choose.


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#3215574 - 10/20/19 09:48 AM Re: Atn X sight 5X20 day night scope. [Re: 6mm06]
Ohiolongarm Offline
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Which digital night vision would you suggest,most shots here would be 100 or less,especially over bait.when night calling seldom 200 yards.I'm leaning towards night vision,again thx,i need to ask those who know such as yourself.

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#3215951 - 10/23/19 03:02 PM Re: Atn X sight 5X20 day night scope. [Re: Ohiolongarm]
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For cheap night vision, about the only option is one of the digital scopes, such as the ATN 4k, Sightmark Wraith and the Sightmark Photon RT. I have owned two Photons, both XT's, a 4.5x and a 6x. I sold the 4.5x, didn't like the resolution. The 6x with the newly designed lens cap that controls light entering the scope, is an improvement. I still have it, but the ATN 4k seems to see better and less grainy. The new Photon RT is supposed to have better resolution than the XT. I also owned the ATN X-Sight 2 but the 4k is a very good improvement.

You asked which digital scope I would recommend. I will just say that the 4k is good. I haven't looked through the Photon RT or the Wraith, so I can't make a judgement personally, and only know about them from videos I have seen. The 4k suits my needs at the bait site, but I do wish it had a contrast adjustment since I sometimes feel that the background and animal is not as distinct from each other as I would like, and the view appears a bit bright at times. I wish I could adjust that for a better picture from one mode to another. I generally use medium mode at the 60 yard distance. I also sometimes have an editing issue when importing the video files. I donít know why but think my particular program doesnít always like it. Sometimes the video files work well and sometimes they donít. Still, this scope should work well for your purpose, but I think the other two scopes could be contenders too. As time marches on I feel certain technology will improve and yield better scopes with better resolution etc. For now I am satisfied with the 4k, but I would like to try a Wraith to see if there's a difference.

Stepping up to a Gen 2 scope will be about three to four times as much money as a digital, depending on the scope, and a Gen 3 is closer to $4,000.

The digital scopes gives a guy the ability to "play" without breaking his wallet. They do require IR light and are not stealthly like thermal, but in most cases that's not a big problem. I mean, hunters have been using red lights that cast a light upon the ground for decades and with good success, so the red glow of an illuminator is not bad when considering that. I have found that some coyotes are scared of the red glow that an 850nm IR gives off, and others pay little attention to it. I guess it's an individual thing.

Either way, for the majority of shooting 100 yards and under, you definitely need one of the lower magnification scopes. The 4k in 3-14x would be good, and the Wraith with its 4x would probably be OK. The Photon is available in two models, a 4.5x and a 6x. One problem with the digitals is the narrow field of view, so you need a scope with lesser magnification.

I personally would like to try the Wraith, hoping the resolution is as good as it seems in some videos I have seen, but I just can't seem to wrap my mind around the issue of no audio nor ability to plug in a DVD recorder to get audio. I keep hoping Sightmark will change that in future models.

For bait hunting, a digital scope works just fine, especially at shorter distances. My bait site is 60 yards from my little cabin. I could see well enough to shoot further but 60 seems to work well for me and I have dropped several coyotes at that distance.

Here is a recent video of a coyote I shot at about 70 yards with the 4k and illuminator set on medium power. The scope was set on 3x, so you can see the field of view. When the video begins, the coyote is illuminated with a large 940nm spotlight that I have mounted on a tall post that is 25 yards from the bait site. I control the light remotely on and off as needed. It is stealthy, giving off no glow and allows me to see what is at the bait site when the alarm goes off. With regards to the weapon-mounted 850nm illuminator, you can see the modes when I switch from low, medium and high. On high I watched deer the other night at 160 yards and could see pretty good. You can see the ridge top straight ahead in the thermal video that comes after the coyote kill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_GaJFaB3fE







Here is some bobcat footage with the ATN 4k at 60 yards, and also a thermal scope. I just videoed the cat, didn't shoot it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-tl4CQmnk







Just for fun and comparison, I will show you a coyote kill with a home-made night vision outfit. I built this unit for about $230,
but that price did not include an illuminator nor small 12-volt battery that I already had. Maybe one day the digital scopes will
become as good as this little bullet camera is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjT1h3hbYB8







Some guys like to indicate that you have to spend thousands of dollars to hunt with night vision. And while that may be true to
a point if you are out calling coyotes, it doesn't necessarily mean you can't play and have a barrel of fun for cheaper. I think
this little $230 unit did a pretty good job on this coyote. When digital scopes become as good as this bullet camera, then I will
most likely be satisfied. For now, I keep yearning for better.



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#3216064 - 10/24/19 05:41 PM Re: Atn X sight 5X20 day night scope. [Re: Ohiolongarm]
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I just now uploaded sample videos taken with the ATN 4k Pro 3-14x. Maybe this will give you an idea of how it sees at various distances.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGdpoI8QkbA&feature=youtu.be





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