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#3214846 - 10/13/19 05:59 PM Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!!
ibschmidty Offline
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I've talked to a few people and recently a Game Warden for Nevada. Met her on a dirt road in Elko County, Nevada while out calling with my son. I asked her if she heard or knew anything about the coyote population in the area since we were not seeing anything in areas where I have personally done very well consistently. She told me that plague has gone through the areas and effected population in Idaho, Nevada, and Utah. I asked her about Oregon and she didn't know.
What have you guys seen? I am sure there are pockets around but by and large the numbers are down. I've not seen a rabbit since the PM hunt and the whole week we only saw two.

How are the coyote number in your area? How are the bunny numbers? Have you seen other species that may have been effected?

I'd like to know what your seeing.
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#3214853 - 10/13/19 07:20 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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What is the plague that affects coyotes & rabbits?

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#3214861 - 10/13/19 08:32 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
ibschmidty Offline
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I wouldnít know. Iím not a biologist.
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#3214862 - 10/13/19 08:40 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: old cat]
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Originally Posted By: old cat
What is the plague that affects coyotes & rabbits?


Drought.

- DAA

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#3214877 - 10/13/19 09:39 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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It affected the rabbits, no rabbit small or no coyote litters plus I was told that the Cattle and sheep ranchers got together last winter and aerial gunned the coyotes on the flats when there was snow. We found coyotes south of town but none in the sage flats where we did very good last year. We camped down by Jiggs and there were a couple in the hills at night but not the packs calling to each other from all directions like last year. I wrote up our week of hunting at the convention.

www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3214330#Post3214330


Edited by AWS (10/13/19 09:41 PM)
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#3214878 - 10/13/19 10:01 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: DAA]
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Originally Posted By: DAA
Originally Posted By: old cat
What is the plague that affects coyotes & rabbits?


Drought.

- DAA


Thanks DAA

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#3214932 - 10/14/19 12:58 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: old cat]
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Originally Posted By: old cat
Originally Posted By: DAA
Originally Posted By: old cat
What is the plague that affects coyotes & rabbits?


Drought.

- DAA


Thanks DAA


Whats going on with the lack of coyotes and rabbbits isn't caused by drought. We have been told by fish and game that plague went through and killed [beeep] near everything. they never said drought.
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#3214938 - 10/14/19 02:32 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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I'm just saying what is incredibly obvious to everyone that has spent any time out there the last couple years.

I called it a year ago, as far as what bunny and coyote numbers were going to be. This year. It was impossible not to see coming.

- DAA

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#3214939 - 10/14/19 02:35 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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And I was told something very, very different than "plague" by a WS ADC supervisor in Utah.

Plague killed a whole bunch of plants and animals though I guess huh? Must be a mean plague.

- DAA

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#3214940 - 10/14/19 03:03 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Itís my understanding that while coyotes can carry the plague, they generally are not susceptible to it. I have been involved with it helping gather samples, but am just going off what the biologists I assisted told me. They carry it, and the fleas spread it.


Edited by obaro (10/15/19 01:38 PM)

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#3214946 - 10/14/19 03:53 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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i don't take much stock in what fish and wildlife biologists say. the guys that spend a lot of time in the field (hunters, fishermen, campers, hikers) know way more than f&w ever do.

but i dam sure do believe any critters than have fleas can sure help the spread of plague. just makes sense.

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#3214952 - 10/14/19 05:13 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: obaro]
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Originally Posted By: obaro
Itís my understanding that while coyotes can carry the plague, they generally are not susceptible to it. I have been in over it helping gather samples, but am just going off what the biologists I assisted told me. They carry it, and the fleas spread it.


What are you seeing in Kansas? Im struggling. Im not seeing sign like I use too. I swear the numbers are off there too.
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#3215033 - 10/15/19 12:37 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Despite what people say the cause it, itís painfully obvious that the population is down from even last years numbers. I know that coyotes, like rabbits have a multi year cycle in population numbers. Something has effected it and disrupted the cycle in this specific area. Iíd like to know if it effects other areas. What are you seeing?
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#3215039 - 10/15/19 01:55 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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It's always been that way. Some years they're thick, other years not. Same ol same ol.

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#3215043 - 10/15/19 02:17 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Usually you can see the numbers dropping off each year when were headed into the " low number years " I know numbers were down last year from previous couple years but this year is a complete nose dive. Begs the question are we at the low point or something else. I'm leaning towards something else.
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#3215059 - 10/15/19 05:18 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: BOBTAILS]
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Originally Posted By: BOBTAILS
Usually you can see the numbers dropping off each year when were headed into the " low number years " I know numbers were down last year from previous couple years but this year is a complete nose dive. Begs the question are we at the low point or something else. I'm leaning towards something else.


My thoughts exactly. Last year was tough, this year is shaping up to be even worse. At first I thought it was calling pressure, but Im not seeing scat or tracks like I use to. Something is going on for sure.
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#3215067 - 10/15/19 07:20 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: btech29]
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Originally Posted By: btech29
Originally Posted By: BOBTAILS
Usually you can see the numbers dropping off each year when were headed into the " low number years " I know numbers were down last year from previous couple years but this year is a complete nose dive. Begs the question are we at the low point or something else. I'm leaning towards something else.


My thoughts exactly. Last year was tough, this year is shaping up to be even worse. At first I thought it was calling pressure, but Im not seeing scat or tracks like I use to. Something is going on for sure.


Same thing for us out west, no tracks or scat anywhere we've been.
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#3215101 - 10/15/19 11:05 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Come on guys. Ask Al Gore. It's global warming.

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#3215115 - 10/16/19 01:06 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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the utah bounty has finally gotten rid of the coyotes smile
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#3215146 - 10/16/19 12:23 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Iím with Dave, I think it has more to do with the environment than anything. Drought and Fires are the big ones. It has been tough for sure but thereís still Coyotes out there. Went out west a couple weeks ago killed 8 in 4 days. Definitely not normal numbers but still a few Coyotes around. It will bounce back Iím sure. When? Who knows....

Good Hunting Chad

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#3215152 - 10/16/19 01:57 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Our coyote numbers in southern California are way up. We have had three years in a row of good rainfall. More quail than I have seen in a long time and the rabbit, mice and rat numbers are way up also. Coyote scat and tracks are all over the roads.
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#3215269 - 10/17/19 02:52 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: derbyacresbob]
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Originally Posted By: derbyacresbob
Our coyote numbers in southern California are way up. We have had three years in a row of good rainfall. More quail than I have seen in a long time and the rabbit, mice and rat numbers are way up also. Coyote scat and tracks are all over the roads.


This is what I'm seeing here in Northern California as well. Scat is everywhere and coyotes are howling all over the place at night.

I'll be getting out regularly here in a couple of weeks.
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#3215275 - 10/17/19 03:51 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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I just came back from a MC ride here in southern NM and saw coyote out in a plowed field just wandering around sniffing the world at 1:00 in the afternoon. Little does he know he is on my list for after the first of Nov.
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#3215684 - 10/20/19 09:09 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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I heard a report last night of a guy calling 9 coyotes and one bobcat in Elko county Nevada in a one day hunt. Does that change anyoneís opinion about the numbers being low?
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#3215690 - 10/20/19 09:39 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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No one is suggesting there are no coyotes left. No one is suggesting there are not still pockets of coyotes in certain areas. What some are suggesting is the numbers overall are down in many areas. This suggestion comes from people who have put many hours in for many years.
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#3215692 - 10/20/19 09:42 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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That is possible if you hit the right spots, we found coyotes everyday while we were there. But in the ideal calling areas that we did really well in last year coyotes were nearly non-existent. Where we were calling and had multiple responses last year we had none or just singles. We camped out every night and the number of coyotes calling at night were far fewer.

A good caller that knows the country and puts in a good day I'd say that would be very possible. How many did he kill? We had four dog mornings but only killed two.


Edited by AWS (10/20/19 09:43 PM)
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#3215693 - 10/20/19 10:04 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Thought I read somewhere the feds have been laying waist to the predator population in Northern Nevada? Grizz
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#3215717 - 10/21/19 08:39 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: GRIZZLYONE]
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Originally Posted By: GRIZZLYONE
Thought I read somewhere the feds have been laying waist to the predator population in Northern Nevada? Grizz


If you remember let me know where you heard that or read that, thanks!
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#3215718 - 10/21/19 09:04 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: GRIZZLYONE]
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I find that hard to believe....

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#3215720 - 10/21/19 09:46 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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I was told that the sheep and cattlemans associations got together and hired aerial gunners to work over the coyotes last winter on private land/leases. But that was just hearsay, I have no hard evidence to support that.

My theory is that when the rabbit population took a drastic nose dive, coyote litters were substantially smaller or didn't servive. We found coyote where there was grass and trees (mice and squirrels) and places that still had some rabbit sign in them, it was heavy sage with grass under it.


Edited by AWS (10/21/19 09:47 AM)
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#3215724 - 10/21/19 10:33 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: AWS]
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Originally Posted By: AWS
I was told that the sheep and cattlemans associations got together and hired aerial gunners to work over the coyotes last winter on private land/leases. But that was just hearsay, I have no hard evidence to support that.

My theory is that when the rabbit population took a drastic nose dive, coyote litters were substantially smaller or didn't servive. We found coyote where there was grass and trees (mice and squirrels) and places that still had some rabbit sign in them, it was heavy sage with grass under it.


I heard that hearsay too but I highly doubt it. I think itís the declines of rabbits coupled with drought.
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#3215731 - 10/21/19 11:19 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Thatís just how it works some years. Now you just have to hunt a lot harder and a lot smarter to kill your Coyotes. A Concept that is quite Foreign to a lot of the newer Predator Callers......


Edited by Utahcaller (10/21/19 11:21 AM)

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#3215791 - 10/21/19 09:59 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Aerial gunning is nothing new, it happens every year.

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#3215800 - 10/21/19 11:09 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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I hear the population is up in Utah due to all the locals hunting Nevada and turning the coyotes in for the bounty.
Just hear say. wink

Sorry, i couldn't help myself. tt2 lol
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#3215812 - 10/22/19 03:35 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Yeah I hear that the Nevada Guys couldnít keep the Coyote numbers in check so the Utah guys had to go show them how to do it...I guess we did the job to well. But thatís just hear say.... tt2


Edited by Utahcaller (10/22/19 05:41 AM)

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#3215830 - 10/22/19 08:22 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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#3215837 - 10/22/19 09:20 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: g Bo]
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Originally Posted By: g Bo
Aerial gunning is nothing new, it happens every year.


confused confused confused smirk confused Exactly why I donít believe the cattlemanís association rumor
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#3216113 - 10/24/19 11:49 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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My Brother went out last Friday and he didn't call anything. He said the area he was in always produced in the past.
A kid I work with went out last weekend and covered a considerable amount of Northeastern Nevada and he didn't call anything either.

I haven't had time to go out but plan on starting in another week.
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#3216115 - 10/25/19 12:46 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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If it was the plaque, that would be a pretty severe case to wipe out as big of area as Brett says the fish and game told him. A case that big would be all over the news. I highly doubt that is the case. A few rodents and couple people in Utah had it a few years ago and it was big news. Nothing has been said about it this year other than this post.

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#3216138 - 10/25/19 09:41 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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I think we are talking about a different plaque that doesn't effect humans also. Periodically Prairie Dogs get a plague that will wipe out whole areas of them. The New Zealand government releases a plague to control rabbits, NO I'm not suggesting that someone released a rabbit plague. But that there are plagues other than the one carried buy rodents that effect humans (when we breath the dust from their dropping) that infect animals. You rarely hear about large die off of prairie dogs except by PD shooters never on the news.

Link to rabbit virus/plague to control rabbits.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43221704



Edited by AWS (10/25/19 09:52 AM)
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#3216148 - 10/25/19 10:28 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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I'm starting to think that MAYBE in some areas the rabbit calls are no longer effective seems like howls and different bird sounds might be something to consider. Someone earlier said numbers seem to be up here in So Cal don't know about that especially on public ground. I do know that so far the hunters in my group are just now starting to see a few animals and their mostly small as if the pups came late this year and the coyotes killed so far have been called in with howls, woodpecker. Lets see how the season shapes up. Grizz
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#3216199 - 10/25/19 07:30 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: GRIZZLYONE]
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Originally Posted By: GRIZZLYONE
I'm starting to think that MAYBE in some areas the rabbit calls are no longer effective seems like howls and different bird sounds might be something to consider. Someone earlier said numbers seem to be up here in So Cal don't know about that especially on public ground. I do know that so far the hunters in my group are just now starting to see a few animals and their mostly small as if the pups came late this year and the coyotes killed so far have been called in with howls, woodpecker. Lets see how the season shapes up. Grizz


Interesting, I haven't heard of late litters but that could explain some stuff.
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#3216210 - 10/25/19 08:35 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Climate change you know, it's responsible for everything.
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#3216217 - 10/25/19 10:07 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: GRIZZLYONE]
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Originally Posted By: GRIZZLYONE
I'm starting to think that MAYBE in some areas the rabbit calls are no longer effective seems like howls and different bird sounds might be something to consider. Someone earlier said numbers seem to be up here in So Cal don't know about that especially on public ground. I do know that so far the hunters in my group are just now starting to see a few animals and their mostly small as if the pups came late this year and the coyotes killed so far have been called in with howls, woodpecker. Lets see how the season shapes up. Grizz


That is a theory I can get on board with. I hope you are right.
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#3216221 - 10/25/19 10:47 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Registered: 01/19/11
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The areas I hit hard year after year are down in population too! Go figure, kill a whole pile of them and the next year there aren't that many. Who'd a thunk it!!!

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#3217480 - 11/06/19 08:43 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Registered: 12/30/04
Posts: 24
Loc: Utah
Just spent a couple days out hunting. We were in areas that have produced very well in the past. In fact last year was unreal how productive it was. 2 1/2 days off calling and only called one. There were plenty of rabbits. We seen coyote tracks just about everywhere we were. We tried all sorts of different sounds but it's like they just didn't care. We heard only one howl the whole time. It was very weird and discouraging. The plague rumor is floating around in our area but with the amount of sign we were seeing it's just didn't seem to be adding up.

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#3217686 - 11/09/19 11:54 AM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Registered: 12/15/08
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Loc: Idaho Lincoln co.
Just spend yesterday calling northern Nevada north of Wells called good areas did not see a coyote did see a few tracks. No rabbits the last few years we would see hundreds in the same area coyotes tend to be a year or so behind the pray species when their numbers drop that and if parvovirus hit their pups. That could explain why the numbers are down. The trappers I have talked to are seeing the same thing.

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#3217691 - 11/09/19 12:35 PM Re: Numbers are down in Norther Nevada, South East Idaho, and Western Utah!!!! [Re: ibschmidty]
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Registered: 11/06/03
Posts: 1536
Loc: Colorado
I was deer hunting on the Eastern Plains of Colorado last week, and I was seeing, and hearing, lots of coyotes, way more than I did in February of this year, which was the last time I was out there coyote hunting.

On Friday late afternoon, I called in a double and got both. Next morning, I am walking past my last nights stand, and there are 2 more coyotes close to where I killed the pair, and I saw 2 more within the next 1/2-1 mile walk.

This area got hit hard by mange 5-6 years ago, and I watched the mange make it's way West. It looks like it will be a very good season out there!
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