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#3214299 - 10/07/19 12:14 AM seeing your target question.
jerry malbeck Offline
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Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 1944
Loc: northwest
I was sighting in a rifle yesterday and at 100 yrds could not make out the bullet holes with a pair of 8 power binos or my 3x9 scope.I dont want to spend a arm and a leg for a spotter so was just looking for some guidance on in your exp what will get the job done.Would like to see out to 300 if possible without breaking the bank .
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#3214300 - 10/07/19 12:25 AM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
Catdog1 Offline
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Registered: 02/17/16
Posts: 525
Loc: Prarie ghost
Shoot and see targets

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#3214304 - 10/07/19 02:17 AM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
arlaunch Offline
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Registered: 04/09/17
Posts: 302
Loc: OR
I have a 40 power Leupold spotting scope i use. It is a nice one too. @ 300 yards i have trouble seeing all the shots. And most times i can't find them all.....

200 yards takes some serious focus. But i can always find the holes in the target.

I think to see 300 yards with regular targets is going to be costly.
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#3214305 - 10/07/19 02:22 AM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
hm1996 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/06
Posts: 15221
Loc: S. Texas
In the northwest you may not have enough mirage to be a problem but w/heat, temperatures and humidity we have, it is rare to see bullet holes in the black at 300 yards even with the best of spotting scopes. The higher line of sight above the ground, the better your chances; looking across a draw or valley would reduce or eliminate the problem.

I talked our club into buying a Unertl 100mm team scope to try to score 200 yard SR1 targets on the frame and more often than not we could not see all holes in the black in S. TX., even with the team scope, and this was back when most competitors were shooting .30 caliber rifles.

Shoot n' see targets would be your best bet as stated above.

Regards,
hm
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#3214318 - 10/07/19 08:24 AM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: hm1996]
spotstalkshoot Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 1477
Loc: so.mn
Yesterday mid morning target in the shade(shooting south). Had no problem seeing 7mm bullet holes at 300 yards. Target was freezer paper shining side out. 2 3/4" center with 1/2" black marker ring. Redfield regal spotter(1986) and riflescope 4-16 Vortex PST, both easy to see bullet holes in white, spotter could see holes in black ring. Paper on a cardboard backer.

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#3214319 - 10/07/19 08:27 AM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
lowholer1 Offline
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 909
Loc: washington
I paste 2 in red dots on white target paper and with my 300.00 dollar leupold spotter at 200 yrds. with the write lighting I can see 22 cal it is tough sometimes. Even the big dollar spotters it would be hard to see them at 300yrds.
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#3214320 - 10/07/19 09:00 AM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: lowholer1]
spotstalkshoot Offline
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Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 1477
Loc: so.mn
My Redfield is my old, ride in truck all the time spotter. With same target I have no problem seeing 17 cal holes at 300, with my Meopta HD. The Meopta I purchased a couple years ago when I noticed the quality of the Redfield (or my eyes) had diminished, spotting sleeping coyote, over a mile away at times with little to no snow requires clarity and good color.

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#3214337 - 10/07/19 11:45 AM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: spotstalkshoot]
hm1996 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/06
Posts: 15221
Loc: S. Texas
Lots of factors in play. Bullet holes in black on backlit targets are much more visible. Cardboard backers tend to close up restricting light passage, but mirage/light is the biggest factor.

I was spotting for a 300 yard rapid fire team match one morning with the sun at about a 25* from 2 o'clock and could see each bullet as it was fired; they appeared as if a shiny copper wire was arcing all the way to the target. Nope, could not find any of the bullet holes in the targets, though. In over 25 years of competition, have never seen that before, or since. The scope was an 80mm Kowa 25x.

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hm
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#3214341 - 10/07/19 12:12 PM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
AWS Online
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 4732
Loc: NM
I have a Buschnell legend spotter 20x-60x that works just fine for me and bought my nephew the same power range from Cameraland that I gave him for Christmas, it works well too. A solid tripod is a plus. the short bench tripods are good if the bench is solid. Tall one need to be pretty solid. I have a tal one that is pretty flimsy and it is a pain. Luckily the camp host at the camp grounds we stayed in in NV found a heavy duty one and held it for three years incase the owner came back. He was packing up for the season and was going to toss it, it came home with me.

Give Doug at CamaraLand a call, give him your price range and what you need it for and he'll do a good job of getting you into a nice spotter. I'm guessing you should be in the $200 - $300 dollar range.
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#3214579 - 10/09/19 10:52 PM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
SubpaR Offline
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Registered: 09/27/15
Posts: 197
Loc: Hays, KS
I just use old cardboaard "think old bourbon case boxes" or any other non beat up cardboard with a 1" or 2" dot on it depending on the range. It cuts pretty clean holes that I can usually spot with 12x minimum. If I can't see them, at least I get a little excercise! Yes, it sucks.

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#3214582 - 10/09/19 11:13 PM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
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Registered: 05/06/09
Posts: 12119
Loc: Osan, ROK
Hard cardboard and cardstock for the target. I print my own in grayscale and use pricing dots for the center.

http://accurateshooter.net/targets/targetaccshooter.pdf

https://www.targets.ws/sight-in-targets.htm
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#3214602 - 10/10/19 10:32 AM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
jetman Offline
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Registered: 01/07/11
Posts: 1244
Loc: almost Canada
How about two cell phones?
One out at the target and have it sending video back to the other...
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#3214674 - 10/11/19 10:14 AM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
skinney Offline
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Registered: 12/21/09
Posts: 3322
Loc: South Dakota
Originally Posted By: jerry malbeck
I was sighting in a rifle yesterday and at 100 yrds could not make out the bullet holes with a pair of 8 power binos or my 3x9 scope.I dont want to spend a arm and a leg for a spotter so was just looking for some guidance on in your exp what will get the job done.Would like to see out to 300 if possible without breaking the bank .


How much are you concerned with spending?
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#3214760 - 10/12/19 12:38 PM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
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Registered: 01/08/03
Posts: 8385
Loc: Hickville
I really hate spotting scopes, just more crap to lug around.

Search for a bushnell 4x16 4200 with an AO, will be the answer to your prayers. ON a clear day, I can see my 7mm bullet holes at 400 yards.

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#3214762 - 10/12/19 01:08 PM Re: seeing your target question. [Re: jerry malbeck]
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 13199
Loc: okla
Dark colored targets are (for me) very hard to see bullets holes at much over 50 yards without some type of optics, be it a larger powered scope or a spotting scope. I have an old Simmons (POS) spotting scope but I can see holes at 200 yards with it. White targets show holes much better than dark ones. Not a whole lot of options when using a low powered scope, other than walking to the target and looking. I do that at times myself.

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