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#3214506 - 10/08/19 08:20 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: IAyoteHNTR]
Stu Farish Offline
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Impeach everyone & get it over with. All of them. We'll end up with a janitor somewhere taking the office but why the [beeep] not?

to quote someone, at this point in time what difference does it make?
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#3214558 - 10/09/19 05:50 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: IAyoteHNTR]
Infidel 762 Offline
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I see no better replacement. I see the media's smoke and mirrors with RINO a liberal sheep staring blindly. I think this is a stupid post.

On other issues, part of me says that part of the world has always been on fire, get out and watch it burn. But the pesh are getting a bad deal and he is taking credit for all they gave. If my memory serves me correctly it was the SDF that took down ISIS flags over Raqqa, not American boots.

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A Betrayal Too Far
by RICHARD NORTH PATTERSON OCTOBER 9, 2019

Nothing captures the moral and geopolitical bankruptcy of Donald Trump’s Hobbesian worldview better than his rank betrayal of the Kurds.

Once more, Turkey’s President Erdogan—a knave, but not a fool—demonstrated his hypnotic powers over an American president who is both. Without warning, the White House approved Turkey’s plan to invade territory in northern Syria held by the Kurds, America’s one indispensable ally on the ground in the fight against ISIS. The administration’s announcement of betrayal was bald and explicit: “Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces . . . having defeated the ISIS territorial ‘Caliphate,’ will no longer be in the immediate area.”

Trump’s abrupt and stunning act of dereliction startled everyone he should have consulted beforehand: our State Department, Pentagon, intelligence community, allies, key members of Congress—and the Kurds themselves. He discussed this only with the Turkey’s authoritarian, who is determined to quash a fighting force tied to Kurdish insurgents inside Turkey. In acceding to Turkish aggression on the basis of a single phone call from a crafty autocrat, Trump contemptuously ignored all advice, and abandoned a painstaking American diplomatic effort to work out an accommodation which would satisfy Turkey’s demands for border security.

Even the normally supine Republicans in the House and Senate seem sickened.

Worse, Trump paraded his strategic stupidity and precipitous treachery in all their solitary splendor. Prior to proclaiming “my great and unmatched wisdom” in mastering the situation unassisted, he remonstrated that the Kurds had been “paid massive amounts of money and equipment” to fight a brutal terrorist regime which—he failed to add—American forces could not subdue alone. With ISIS thus quelled, Trump decided it was time for America to bail out of Syria and leave “Turkey, Europe, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia and the Kurds . . . to figure the situation out.”

America was through, he proudly concluded, with being played for a “sucker.”

The Kurds might beg to differ. By abandoning them, Trump has left the Kurds in a killing zone between Turkey and a genocidal Syrian regime which they must now embrace at the risk of obliteration.

But perhaps the biggest sucker is Trump himself, manipulated by a self-serving authoritarian into punishing vulnerable allies who believed that America would stand behind them—and who continue to be critical in containing an ISIS threat that could well reconstitute in the wake of Trump’s incompetence.

Erdogan, the New York Times reports, perceived that he could exploit a division between Trump and his military advisors, who wanted a residual force of American troops in Syria to serve as a safeguard for the Kurds, and against ISIS. Their reasons were compelling: according to the New York Times, ISIS still has 18,000 fighters spread across Iraq and Syria, many active in carrying out terrorist operations. Moreover, America has assigned the Kurds responsibility for supervising tens of thousands of captured ISIS members and their families currently in custody.

No more. As if the Middle East was a Monopoly board, Trump has given ISIS a “get out of jail free card.” A Kurdish official told NBC news: “The Americans are traitors. They have abandoned us to a Turkish massacre. We can no longer fight against ISIS and have to defend ourselves. This could allow ISIS to return to the region.”

Brett McGurk, formerly a principal American strategist in Syria, was equally appalled: “This looks to be another reckless decision made without deliberation or consultation following a call with a foreign leader. The White House statement bears no relation to facts on the ground. If implemented, it will significantly increase risks to our personnel, as well as hasten ISIS’s resurgence.”...

The greatest tragedy, however, is how deeply Trump has invested American foreign policy with the solipsistic inhumanity of a leader who cares for nothing and no one but himself.

Not his country. Nor its allies. Nor the thousands of human beings who stand to be slaughtered by the Turks and, in time, by ISIS.

God help America—and the world that Trump, acting in our name, is abandoning to its most malignant actors.

https://thebulwark.com/a-betrayal-too-far/

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#3214664 - 10/11/19 07:46 AM Re: Impeachment [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
IAyoteHNTR Offline
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Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
Originally Posted By: songdog
don't want to change the subject completely, but curious which liberal IAyoteHNTR is looking forward to voting for?
The one that wants to give free health care to all illegal's?
Or the one that wants open borders?
Or the one that wants to increase taxes on us all?
Or the one that wants to forgive all student loan debt?
Or the one that wants to take away all our guns?
Or would you just be happy with any of them, as long as they beat Trump, knowing that all of them are on board for all of the above?


he would answer yes to the last question.

he doesn't come across as a smart person
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Actually my answer is a resounding NO.

I have seen most of the responses here (a few guys I have blocked because I can't handle the extreme stupidity I see from them constantly) and my lack of response is simply due to the fact I know I won't influence most if not all of you guys responding in here. So be it,......I don't care.

Just to set the record straight for some...... 1st off, I am currently a registered Republican. Surprise, surprise huh? But I consider myself more of a Reagan era Republican. What the Republican party has slowly become since then personally disgusts me. Don't like my assessment? Again, ....... I don't care.

I now consider the Libertarian party to be more closely aligned with my political compass than the Republican party and that's how I voted in the last election and probably will in the next one unless Trump is gone and the Republican party comes back to it's senses and puts a moderate Republican on the ballot, which I don't see happening, but you never know what may happen at this point. Time will tell I guess.

Yes I despise Trump and I always will. I know exactly what he is. He's a self serving mentally unfit narcissist con man who looks out for his own best interests first and foremost and will tell his sheep, his base, whatever they want to hear if he thinks it will please them and they have shown him it is working great so far.

As far as the impeachment process itself......it's gaining momentum and public support for good reason.

I'll end this with one last tidbit...... As far as I'm concerned Trump is destroying the Republican party for the future and too many Republicans are blind to it or too scared too stand up to it. The younger generations who will be voting in the next several elections are by far and away leaning Democrat by a margin of over 2 to 1 for a reason and this should scare all of us and the only way I see this changing is by changing the leadership within the Republican party and returning it to what it was. This is just my opinion of course and whether any of you agree or not, you have got to admit things are changing and unless the Republican party adjusts to these obvious changes, they will die a slow death as a party.

I won't be responding again in this thread, but I'll stop in and see what wisdom some of you think you have for the comedic value if nothing else. I may start a new post after we see where the impeachment goes, which I hope ends up with the first official impeachment/removal of Trump. thumbup1


Edited by IAyoteHNTR (10/11/19 07:49 AM)
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#3214689 - 10/11/19 12:37 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: IAyoteHNTR]
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couple things.

at best right now... the only chance the left has for an impeachment is to catch trump in a process crime - their favorite of which is of course obstruction. I dont think the folks around him will allow that (his legal team, etc)... but its the only solid possibility. they sure are doing their best to set an obstruction trap for him.

if they had *anything* solid we'd already have a vote on the house floor to start a formal impeachment like precedent requires. All you have right now is smoke and mirrors behind closed doors hoping for a miracle. and the left knows it and knows they dont have the votes to bring it to the floor for a formal process.






just because a couple of poorly sampled polls - and a leftist compliant media - say impeachment is becoming more popular... just remember the polls said hillary had a >93% chance of winning up until around 8pm on election night. save the 'but fox news' stuff... they're owned by disney now. yes they still provide viewpoints from both sides of the isle... but the disney influence is showing itself more and more and unless they change the way they're heading.. it will be the downfall of the outlet.




if you're really a regan republican - why the [beeep] would you want a moderate (squishy) republican as the next candidate? thats plaids and stripes.. the two done mix. President Regan was *anything* but a moderate.



finally - trump isnt destroying the republican party - the party is (and has been doing its damnedest) destroying itself. If anything he's managed to achieve more of the things the GOP has said its stood for (but never accomplished) than the rest of the GOP has since regan. So while the GOP may not be killing itself as quickly and surely as the DNC is right now... but the middle of the road RINO's along with many of the old guard who are just there to hold onto their little fiefdom are killing the party just as surely as the left wing of the DNC is to theirs - just closer to a death of 1000 cuts thing than driving off a bridge like the left is right now.
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#3214811 - 10/13/19 08:49 AM Re: Impeachment [Re: Plant.One]
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Originally Posted By: Plant.One
.....if they had *anything* solid we'd already have a vote on the house floor to start a formal impeachment like precedent requires. All you have right now is smoke and mirrors behind closed doors hoping for a miracle.


I tend to agree. When was the last time you heard on the news Mueller mentioned. The Dims tried to uncork a report that was supposed to be the end of it and make it something that it wasn’t. So, on to something else, impeachment. They’ll dig every piece of fake dirt from anywhere, feed it to the media, and claim that it’s the coffin nail evidence. The ambassador lady who recently testified is nothing more than a political pawn. In the real world people are admonished, reassigned, transferred, etc all the time by management simply because of a dislike, poor performance, or from not being a team player and the management decision is not illegal (barring any true, unlawful discriminatory actions). It may not be right in the spirit of fairness but in the corporate world fairness doesn’t result from policy.

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#3214928 - 10/14/19 12:04 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: IAyoteHNTR]
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the sad part is, as this whole "whistleblower scandal" falls apart, the media will just pivot onto the next planned narrative rollout.

remember - they said a while back that the whole left was going to go "all in" to make sure he wasnt re-elected. this peticualar scandal is just one taste of their version of "all in" i'm sure.
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#3214971 - 10/14/19 08:37 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: Plant.One]
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Everything the dems say they want to investigate about the Trump campaign/administration, is in reality what they have already done. From DNC servers and hacks in Ukraine, to candidates paying for falsely presented information and interference in our elections (Hillary).
Follow Ukraine money
Obama campaign
Biden-son
Pelosi-son
Kerry- son
Trump knows all of this, as he drains the swamp bigger pieces of [beeep] will stick more fingers in the dam. This is a game politicians think they are good at but they are playing checkers in a chess game.


Edited by spotstalkshoot (10/14/19 08:39 PM)

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#3214974 - 10/14/19 08:54 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: IAyoteHNTR]
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all you really need to know is the fact that they're holding these hearing in secret & excluding republicans.

they won't let you see, hear or know what's being asked & answered.
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#3215025 - 10/15/19 11:51 AM Re: Impeachment [Re: Stu Farish]
Plant.One Offline
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Originally Posted By: Stu Farish
all you really need to know is the fact that they're holding these hearing in secret & excluding republicans.

they won't let you see, hear or know what's being asked & answered.


except for what they selectively leak to the media to make POTUS look bad.

but thats what happens when a peiceOfSchliff is running your committee.
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#3215136 - 10/16/19 09:53 AM Re: Impeachment [Re: IAyoteHNTR]
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the reality is, at this point, after the next election this country is either going to go sliding down the socialism rat hole, or we're going to have 4 more years of Trump. Those are your two choices IAyoteHNTR. Take it or leave it.

Maybe if you're lucky Hillary will throw her hat back in the ring and try again and you'll get what you seem to want, which is, ANYTHING BUT TRUMP...be careful what you wish for.
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#3215145 - 10/16/19 12:16 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: IAyoteHNTR]
GRIZZLYONE Offline
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This BS is already starting to backfire on them. I bet Polosi wish's she kept her stiff trap shut.
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#3215148 - 10/16/19 12:54 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: GRIZZLYONE]
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Originally Posted By: GRIZZLYONE
This BS is already starting to backfire on them. I bet Polosi wish's she kept her stiff trap shut.


actually i bet its more she wishes she could keep some other peoples traps shut.


she was not pro impeachment from the start, had to conceeed to her whackos for a minute and then of course backtracked to "there will be no vote"

she knows just how damaging an impeachment process is going into an election year. [beeep] her party had the most recent a president impeached, and then slick willy proceeded to commandingly win his 2nd term win and left office with a what >60% approval rating...


but thats also why its been such "rush rush rush rush!" whenever it comes up... they konw if they cant get him removed from office quick, giving him that platform to energize his base next year during the full election cycle is political suicide for them.
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#3215278 - 10/17/19 04:20 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: IAyoteHNTR]
GRIZZLYONE Offline
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Mulvaney's assertion today that there was a bit of 'quid quo pro' with respect to Ukraine is just Trump's way of telling the Dems to stick it, egging them on to take a formal impeachment vote in the House knowing full well they don't want to. Trump knows they probably wish they didn't go down this road now. Mulvaney coming out with this now was not a slip of the tongue, this is a planned strategy calling their bluff. Grizz
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#3215354 - 10/18/19 01:22 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: IAyoteHNTR]
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ya... an actual vote... its a lose-lose-lose thing for them


if she even has the votes - which she probably doesnt - she knows that its a dead deal in the senate. The senate side that actually removes a president isnt just a simple majority. there's no way in [beeep] right now that enough nevertrumpers will join with the DNC senators to actually remove him.

if she doesnt have the actual votes, putting it on the house floor and having it go down in flames - even by just a vote or two - takes 110% of the wind out of their sails.

if she has the votes and actually were to put it on the house floor successfully - she's now forcing folks who won seats in swing districts that trump beat hillary in - some of which were by a significant margin - to have to defend those votes during an election cycle.





the only "winning" scenario for the left - at least right now - is keeping this locked in committee where they can control the media narrative and be seen fighting against #orangeManBad and being opposed by the complicit bullies in the GOP. it also allows them to leak stuff, or setup more "whistleblowers", etc to try anything they can to damage POTUS in the coming election cycle.

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#3215366 - 10/18/19 02:39 PM Re: Impeachment [Re: IAyoteHNTR]
GRIZZLYONE Offline
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If they keep it floundering in committee Trump will pound that into the ground saying this is all they know, this is all they have done, this is all they have. Trump will pound this home when the election heats up. I honestly think the Dem's just screwed themselves with this and they know it.
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