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#3210398 - 08/19/19 12:34 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: DoubleUp]
dozer_xj Offline
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Registered: 07/09/17
Posts: 156
Loc: South Central IL
Originally Posted By: DoubleUp


I'm tending to believe that perhaps it is because the triple deuce is usually a bolt-action whereas a high percentage of 223's are AR's.


My brother had a Remington 700 vls 223 with a 26" barrel. Our friend had an ar15 with a 16" barrel. Shooting at a 5/16" mild steel gong , the the same FMJ ammo,my brothers gun would shoot through it and the ar would only dent it. I too kinda feel the 223 gets a bad wrap from short ar15 barrels. That being said the guys around here that kill over 100 a year use 243s. Gotta be something to that.

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#3210411 - 08/19/19 10:30 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: pyscodog]
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Registered: 08/27/09
Posts: 2588
Loc: West
Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Originally Posted By: nightcaller
Psycho dog, you're the kind of person I'm talking to... If you can't hit the can 20/20 you should be embarrassed!



LOL, I get plenty of range time. I'm the rifle range chairman at my gun club. Usually there 3-7 times a week. Sometimes working and sometimes shooting but trust me, I get plenty of range time. Those that know me know how I shoot. I'm just saying most...including me might have a tough time hitting 20/20 pop cans off shooting sticks at 100yds. Give me a decent rifle rest and there won't be a problem. As far as wounding animals, I take sensible shots at reasonable distances. If I think its to far away, I don't shoot. Been a long time since I wounded anything. Not counting your feelings. unsure

I think what he means is that practicing from a bench at a rifle range is not as effective as practicing actual field shooting positions. Let's face it, MOST hunters do not practice field positions such as seated with shooting stix and it shows when they transition from the bench to the field.

I personally have never attempted 20 continuous shots at a soda can, but I have spent countless hours plinking at stuff with 22s from every position. And I regularly plink rocks and targets etc with my hunting rifle off stix pretty much every time I go out and on dedicated outings.

The only time I ever use a bench or range is for comfort/convenience during load development and testing.
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#3210416 - 08/19/19 12:16 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
AWS Online
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 4725
Loc: NM
Having grown up in WI and hunting fox for bounty in the 1960's experience is the biggest thing in gaining confidence. Practicing from field positions is another. Adapting to your hunting conditions is another, trying to call coyotes into the open in a heavily populated/hunted area can be a frustrating experience and when you do get one to come out more than often you will rush the shot for fear it will bolt. You might try getting down in the thick stuff where a coyote is far more comfortable.

The 222 Rem is a rather unique cartridge, and the fellow that is shooting one is someone that usually has a lot of experience. The average person will see a 222 Rem and wonder what it would cost to have it re-chambered to 223. A 222 Rem shooter will understand the limitations of the round and keep his shots within it's capabilities.

I have 3 222 Rem and zero 223's, if I need more than the 222 Rem the 22-250 more than fits the bill but saying that my coyote kills are far more likely to be with a 222 than a 22-250. I rarely expect a called coyote to farther than the effective range of the 222 Rem. and have no problems passing one one that is a marginal shot, I can usually call him in another day.
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#3210423 - 08/19/19 01:46 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
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Registered: 12/04/06
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Loc: okla
I never said 20/20 can't be done. But more people probably can't than can as shooting off sticks is a totally different game than shooting off a rest. I have several sets of sticks but truthfully, I hardly ever use them. Most of my field shooting is done setting on my butt and shooting off my knees. I usually set on a very short turkey seat and just rest my rifle off my knees. Been doing it for years. But here again, I wait for the shot. If its headed towards me I just wait. If its out of my comfort zone I just pass. I hunt for fun so its not a big deal if I don't get a shot.

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#3210443 - 08/19/19 06:34 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
AWS Online
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 4725
Loc: NM
Being able to hit a popcan at a hundred won't get you past round 1 at the egg shoot. I practice on dime sized targets at 100 yards with my 22 LR leading up to the egg shoot. You better be able to hit a quarter at 150 yards off sticks to be competitive. Last year I didn't get past round two.
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#3210486 - 08/20/19 11:45 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
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Pop cans on a stick don't move either, coyotes hardly ever stand still. Apples and oranges. We use to shoot ping pong balls filled with colored water hanging from a string at 100yds with 17HMR's. Thats a bunch of fun when there's a breeze blowing. (Note: my friends wife filled them with a syringe and super glued a string to them and we hung them off the bottom of a back stop.)

AWS, I agree shooting cans @100 and eggs @150 are totally different. I have a buddy that thinks it will be easy. Soon as the weather cools a little, I'm going to have an egg shoot at the club. Figure he can come out and show all of us how easy it is. LOL!!

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#3210492 - 08/20/19 01:10 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
AWS Online
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 4725
Loc: NM
Oklahoma isn't that far from Elko, come on out and shoot eggs and coyotes with everyone.
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#3210501 - 08/20/19 03:23 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
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I'd love to come out and meet a bunch of you guys. According to Google its about 22 hours from Tulsa. Just had a big expense getting dental work done. I'm not sure the funds will be there this year but its on the bucket list.

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#3211977 - 09/08/19 10:46 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Dultimatpredator]
MIvarminter50 Offline
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Registered: 10/28/05
Posts: 441
Loc: Michigan, USA
Originally Posted By: Dultimatpredator
Every coyote Iíve shot with a 223 has been bang flops except for one due to poor shot placement. I hit it high across the back. Never did recover it. I saw it the next day in the same area limping with a moon shape chunk missing out it.

My load 60 grain vmax with 25 grains of benchmark. Runs 2850 FPS out of my 14.5Ē POF and about another 125 FPS faster out of my 20Ē LTR.

Extremely poor shot placement is your problem as everyone who read the post can clearly see and have told you. Any plastic tipped bullet is your friend with this caliber. Aim for the shoulder on standing coyotes and they wonít go anywhere. If you canít stop them to stop for standing still shot then donít shoot. Youíll harvest less dogs but at least your DRT count will rise. Iíd tell you practice, practice, practice...or leave the rifle at home and pick up a shotgun along with some lead BB shot.


Good stuff right there !
.223 I use 60 gr vmax
6.5 grendel I use 95 gr vmax wink
I too need to practice MORE using my tri-pod/shooting sticks ..


Edited by MIvarminter50 (09/08/19 10:54 AM)

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#3212043 - 09/09/19 08:35 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
varminter .223 Offline
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Registered: 03/01/10
Posts: 2113
Loc: south central Illinois
Just about anything will work if you hit them right. I think basically the two to three not being enough for coyote means that when you shoot them through the guts or a little far back or through the back leg they don't blow up like they do with a 243 around max load. I think blem bullets also have thicker jackets and maybe don't work like the regular ones.


Edited by varminter .223 (09/09/19 08:36 AM)

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#3212356 - 09/13/19 10:49 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
Scrumbag Offline
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Registered: 01/04/19
Posts: 106
Loc: UK
Before changing guns I would try different ammo.

Certainly if I shoot a fox with my 62gr Federal Fusions it's much better if I hit a solid bone like the shoulder. They seem to "pencil" through if I don't get a major bone. Something like a 55gr V-max is available in lots of factory loadings and probably worth a box or 2.

Practice is always important. Gut shots and hips will usually result in runners. The more practice you have and confidence in your equipment the easier it will be to make good hits and take some of the pressure off on live quarry.

ATB,

Scrummy


Edited by Scrumbag (09/13/19 10:50 AM)

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#3213433 - 09/27/19 10:06 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
firecapt Offline
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Registered: 09/28/07
Posts: 328
Loc: huntsville,Al.
I think the 6.8 is a great choice when you need extra power. The round will take on larger game when the opportunity comes around. My grandsons have taken several deer with it.

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#3213437 - 09/27/19 10:31 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
6724 Offline
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Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 2851
Loc: colorado
If you are having trouble killing coyotes with a 223, you need to look in the mirror to find out why!!

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#3213452 - 09/28/19 09:25 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
lowholer1 Offline
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 905
Loc: washington
I have a hard time with believing a 223 is not enough gun for coyotes.As a kid all I had was my ruger 10/22 and I killed a lot of coyotes.I was so pumped the day I got it and still own it.I think shot placement is crucial If you put one in the lungs ,head or kneck they may run off but it will die some were!
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#3213454 - 09/28/19 10:37 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: lowholer1]
spotstalkshoot Offline
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Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 1475
Loc: so.mn
I see it at range days all the time, not everyone has the same ability or the same quality level of equipment. That's why there often disagreement and discussion about caliber choice and observational performance.

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