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#3211854 - 09/06/19 02:31 PM Arizona bans predator contests
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ARIZONA
State bans hunting contests for killing wildlife predators
Published: Thursday, September 5, 2019
Arizona has banned organized contests where hunters try to kill the most coyotes or other wildlife predators for prizes such as cash or hunting equipment.
The Governor's Regulatory Review Council voted 6-0 yesterday to approve a rule initiated by the Arizona Game and Fish Commission.
The measure will take effect in 60 days.
The commission voted unanimously in June to ban contests that require registration and a fee and award prizes for killing the most coyotes or other fur-bearing animals or predators.
The Arizona ban doesn't apply to lawful hunting of predators or other fur-bearing animals.
Wildlife-killing contests have drawn the ire of activists in recent years.
New Mexico banned the contests in April, and several other states reportedly are considering similar rules or legislation. — Associated Press

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#3211855 - 09/06/19 02:38 PM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: Yellowhammer]
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#3211858 - 09/06/19 03:04 PM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: Yellowhammer]
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So if you don't have prizes you can still have a contest? Has to be one of the dumbest things I have heard.

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#3211961 - 09/08/19 12:20 AM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: Dogghunter402]
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I think the intent of the ban was to allow informal private competitions, but not organized events. For example, if a few hunters decide among themselves to have a private competition within their hunting party, that would be OK even if they agreed to a prize. That activity is not an organized event, it is not advertised, there is no registration and fees, no sponsorships, and it is not open to everyone.
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#3211966 - 09/08/19 06:58 AM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: Yellowhammer]
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It's an Associated Press article, so we should probably assume that at least half of the information is incorrect.
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#3211969 - 09/08/19 08:45 AM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: Yellowhammer]
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So you can have a contest for the largest coyote, but not the most.
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#3211975 - 09/08/19 10:24 AM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: Yellowhammer]
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The sad part about this is that many Arizona hunters also agreed to it.
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#3212026 - 09/08/19 11:17 PM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: Yellowhammer]
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Here is the proposed amendment to Commission Rule R12-4-303 to ban predator contests.

A person shall not by any means

Participate in, organize, promote, or solicit participation in a contest where a participant uses or intends to use any device or implement to capture or kill predatory animals or fur-bearing animals as defined under A.R.S. § 17-101. For the purposes of this subsection, "contest" means a competition among participants where participants must register or record entry and pay a fee and prizes or cash are awarded to winning or successful participants.




I do not have a copy of the final version approved by the Governors Regulatory Review Council on September 5, 2019, but it is probably the same version as above.

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#3212027 - 09/08/19 11:41 PM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: AWS]
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Originally Posted By: AWS
So you can have a contest for the largest coyote, but not the most.

There can be a competition for the largest coyote and the most, but the competition cannot be an organized event where participants are registered and pay an entry fee to compete. The activity cannot meet the definition of a "contest."

Originally Posted By: Dogghunter402
So if you don't have prizes you can still have a contest? Has to be one of the dumbest things I have heard.

There could still be prizes for a competition. It is just that it cannot be an organized event where participants register and pay an entry fee to kill the most predators and furbearers. Killing contests for the most jackrabbits, starlings, english sparrows, and pigeons are still OK.


The changes to the hunting laws to ban predator contests only complicates the hunting regulations and accomplishes nothing to protect the resource. The purpose was just to appease the non-hunters who feel predator contests are an unethical way to manage predator populations. The problem with making laws based on whats ethical is being hypocritical. When AZ voters FAILED to pass legislation a few years ago to make hunting and fishing a constitutional right, it opened the door for wildlife management to be done at the ballot box. Personally, I do not like seeing predator contests banned, but its better to do it with the AZ Game and Fish making the proposal than having anti hunting organizations proposing their own laws by ballot propositions for non-hunters to decide how hunting should be done.


Edited by Fursniper (09/12/19 04:35 PM)
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#3212233 - 09/11/19 04:25 PM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: Fursniper]
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Registered: 08/26/16
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Loc: VA
There was a contest here awhile back and the media had a field day. It's unfortunate but these battles held in the public forum are hard to defend.

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#3212251 - 09/11/19 09:43 PM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: Yellowhammer]
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“Small game is big fun,” reads a quote on the agency’s website promoting the Arizona Small Game Challenge on August 27. The AZGFD also used Facebook and Twitter to promote the challenge, which is set to take place over the next year.

AZ Banned Hunting Contests, but Legal Loopholes Leave Room for Interpretation
Technically, the contest is legal, even under the state’s new restrictions. That’s because it deals with small game — such as doves, grouse and rabbits — which are not identified as part of the new rule. Though the ban does explicitly cover competitions to kill “predatory animals and fur-bearing animals,” rabbits aren’t listed as fur-bearers under the state’s code.


Small game, big fun!
Sign up for the Small Game Challenge and take your fall hunting season to a new level! Registration dollars will be matched by @quail4ever to improve AZ's small game habitat, so it's great for conservation, too!

But even though the Small Game Challenge squeaks past the state’s rules, it has all the trappings of the hunting contests Arizona just banned, including an entry fee, required registration, and engraved plaques as prizes.

That has both hunters and activists fuming — hunters, because they feel the agency is being hypocritical by organizing its own contest while banning others, and activists, because they’d hoped for a broader rule that would protect all wildlife.

“So the Arizona Game and Fish Department can put on a contest but we can’t?” reads a public Facebook post by Call-in the Country, a group that posts hunting videos and has hosted a competition called the Santa Slay. “What a spit in the face of all predator hunters to hold a contest right after telling us they banned coyote contests, because they didn’t follow the North American Model.”

The North American Model refers to a set of ethical guidelines for hunters, which activists have used as part of their argument to ban wildlife hunting contests over the last year.

Activists, too, are now doubting whether the agency will follow those ethical guidelines.

“I always thought they were conserving wildlife for the benefit of wildlife,” she said. “To see they created a small game challenge so for $25 you can send in a picture of your pile of dead birds for a plaque? It’s so outside of that.”

“We took a stand that it’s wrong to gamify and commercialize killing animals for fun and for money, and this challenge is, in spirit, exactly the same thing,” said Lain Kahlstrom, a volunteer for the advocacy group Animal Wellness Action.

Tina Meredith, the Arizona director of Animal Wellness Action, put it more bluntly.

“I always thought they were conserving wildlife for the benefit of wildlife,” she said. “To see they created a small game challenge so for $25 you can send in a picture of your pile of dead birds for a plaque? It’s so outside of that.”

Larisa Harding, small game program manager of AZGFD, argued that the challenge is different than predator-hunting contests. For example, she told Phoenix New Times, the Small Game Challenge is subject to hunting bag limits, encourages "hunting new species" instead of "taking as many animals as possible," and its entry fees are donated to small game habitat and management projects.

But those distinctions haven't stopped hunters from lashing out in frustration at the AZGFD.


Kevin Higashi, who didn’t respond to a Facebook message, wrote in a comment that that he emailed the contest's program manager and a chairman of AZGFD. He also said he’d be canceling his magazine subscription and “dumping my sportsman license plate.”

“It’s so difficult to support AZGFD anymore,” he wrote.

On the activist side, Meredith and Kahlstrom haven’t taken any action in response, but they say they’re concerned about the ban’s enforcement, which is AZGFD’s responsibility.

“To know that we have to depend on them to enforce the rule about contests while they invite hunters to participate in the challenge is really disappointing,” Kahlstrom said.
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#3212441 - 09/14/19 03:53 PM Re: Arizona bans predator contests [Re: HeyYou]
SnowmanMo Offline
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Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 3248
Loc: Phoenix, Az
Originally Posted By: HeyYou
“Small game is big fun,” reads a quote on the agency’s website promoting the Arizona Small Game Challenge on August 27. The AZGFD also used Facebook and Twitter to promote the challenge, which is set to take place over the next year.

AZ Banned Hunting Contests, but Legal Loopholes Leave Room for Interpretation
Technically, the contest is legal, even under the state’s new restrictions. That’s because it deals with small game — such as doves, grouse and rabbits — which are not identified as part of the new rule. Though the ban does explicitly cover competitions to kill “predatory animals and fur-bearing animals,” rabbits aren’t listed as fur-bearers under the state’s code.


Small game, big fun!
Sign up for the Small Game Challenge and take your fall hunting season to a new level! Registration dollars will be matched by @quail4ever to improve AZ's small game habitat, so it's great for conservation, too!

But even though the Small Game Challenge squeaks past the state’s rules, it has all the trappings of the hunting contests Arizona just banned, including an entry fee, required registration, and engraved plaques as prizes.

That has both hunters and activists fuming — hunters, because they feel the agency is being hypocritical by organizing its own contest while banning others, and activists, because they’d hoped for a broader rule that would protect all wildlife.

“So the Arizona Game and Fish Department can put on a contest but we can’t?” reads a public Facebook post by Call-in the Country, a group that posts hunting videos and has hosted a competition called the Santa Slay. “What a spit in the face of all predator hunters to hold a contest right after telling us they banned coyote contests, because they didn’t follow the North American Model.”

The North American Model refers to a set of ethical guidelines for hunters, which activists have used as part of their argument to ban wildlife hunting contests over the last year.

Activists, too, are now doubting whether the agency will follow those ethical guidelines.

“I always thought they were conserving wildlife for the benefit of wildlife,” she said. “To see they created a small game challenge so for $25 you can send in a picture of your pile of dead birds for a plaque? It’s so outside of that.”

“We took a stand that it’s wrong to gamify and commercialize killing animals for fun and for money, and this challenge is, in spirit, exactly the same thing,” said Lain Kahlstrom, a volunteer for the advocacy group Animal Wellness Action.

Tina Meredith, the Arizona director of Animal Wellness Action, put it more bluntly.

“I always thought they were conserving wildlife for the benefit of wildlife,” she said. “To see they created a small game challenge so for $25 you can send in a picture of your pile of dead birds for a plaque? It’s so outside of that.”

Larisa Harding, small game program manager of AZGFD, argued that the challenge is different than predator-hunting contests. For example, she told Phoenix New Times, the Small Game Challenge is subject to hunting bag limits, encourages "hunting new species" instead of "taking as many animals as possible," and its entry fees are donated to small game habitat and management projects.

But those distinctions haven't stopped hunters from lashing out in frustration at the AZGFD.


Kevin Higashi, who didn’t respond to a Facebook message, wrote in a comment that that he emailed the contest's program manager and a chairman of AZGFD. He also said he’d be canceling his magazine subscription and “dumping my sportsman license plate.”

“It’s so difficult to support AZGFD anymore,” he wrote.

On the activist side, Meredith and Kahlstrom haven’t taken any action in response, but they say they’re concerned about the ban’s enforcement, which is AZGFD’s responsibility.

“To know that we have to depend on them to enforce the rule about contests while they invite hunters to participate in the challenge is really disappointing,” Kahlstrom said.



Seems to be a common theme in Gubment at all levels, do as THEY say not as THEY do. You can't have a firearm to protect yourself and your family but they can run around with full on tactical teams. You can't have gas guzzling SUV but they run around in tanks getting 20 gallons to the mile. You have to protect the environment and pay carbon taxes, they can fly in a private 747 as the only person on board, that's ok.

So I am not shocked that the AZgFD Commission does the same. The ban on coyote contests was introduced by the Phoenix Commissioner Kurt Davis. Probably because he can't call in a coyote he doesn't think you need to either. He didn't much appreciate my criticisms. He tried to sic an aide on me. That didn't go well for the aide either. I called out their hypocrisy and will continue to.
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