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#3210126 - 08/15/19 05:12 AM 204 w/35 berger vs coyote
Spidicus Offline
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Registered: 11/04/18
Posts: 45
Loc: Nevada
Finally got my first shot on a coyote with my 204 shooting factory hsm 35 Berger's. The coyote was facing me head on at about 80 yards I aimed at the center of the chest. The coyote ran after the shot and not recovered. The aim was a little higher on the chest.
Any thoughts from members who shoot 204 with 35 bergers??
The shot was right above alot of sage I suppose its possible that the bullet hit some sage twigs before impact. I did not see any blood where the coyote was standing when shot at. This was at night in the desert under red light.

I dont think it was a miss since this rifle will shoot 1.25 groups at 200 yards..and I shot a small Jack in the heart at 75 yards on the stand right before this coyote stand.


Edited by Spidicus (08/15/19 05:18 AM)
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#3210128 - 08/15/19 07:40 AM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
obaro Online
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 09/14/04
Posts: 1429
Loc: Monument kansas
With the details you have given I would guess you got it right in thinking maybe you clipped some sage. I have had really good luck with that bullet in my 20Practical, every shot I have had at that angle was DRT.

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#3210140 - 08/15/19 09:44 AM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
jetman Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 01/07/11
Posts: 1233
Loc: almost Canada
Dead on shots can be challenging.
Excitement being a huge factor.
There is a LOT of coyote that is NOT a fatal shot.
An inch either way and its just all fur and shoulders, no blood for a long time. A little high and your in to the head a horrible target to get a kill shot. If your sighted in at 200 yards you will be slightly high at 80 and the height of your scope is still in play they close too. A piece of brush is probably the culprit but other things could happen too.
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#3210146 - 08/15/19 11:13 AM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
tawnoper Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 02/24/03
Posts: 560
Loc: West coast
My favorite shots on called coyotes is straight on, they usually drop on the spot. Shot quite a few with 35gr Berger. Very frangible bullet but will do the job. If you even slightly clipped a sage, the bullet will not make it to the target.

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#3210151 - 08/15/19 12:20 PM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
Utahcaller Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 552
Loc: UT
Never had any problems killing Coyotes with the 35 grain Bergers and the .204 Ruger. By far my favorite bullet with this cartridge. Kills them very well out to 300 yards....

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#3210176 - 08/15/19 07:31 PM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
derbyacresbob Offline
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Registered: 04/05/07
Posts: 4271
Loc: Kern County, CA
Have you shot that rifle at paper since that coyote got away?

I almost always shoot my rifles at paper after I miss a coyote or the coyote gets away. 99% of the time the rifle is still right on. If your rifle is still shooting great then you have your confidence back and you should have no negative thoughts as you are squeezing the trigger on the next coyote.
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#3210215 - 08/16/19 09:42 AM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
songdog Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 10/10/01
Posts: 3231
Loc: Elizabeth.Colo.
one thing for sure is the bullet didn't hit where you intended, because if it had the coyote wouldn't take a step. In other words, the arrow is not to blame, the indian is.
The 35 gr. Berger is a popular bullet and for good reason. It performs well on coyotes.


Edited by songdog (08/16/19 09:44 AM)
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#3210218 - 08/16/19 10:22 AM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
Tim Neitzke Offline
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Loc: Michigan
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#3210231 - 08/16/19 12:46 PM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Tim Neitzke]
Softpoint Online
Seasoned Member

Registered: 02/24/16
Posts: 126
Loc: Washington
I hit a coyote with a 35g Hornet SP bullet dead on in the chest. It ran off as it must of splashed.


It wasn't a miss unless falling on the ground with all 4 sticking straight up and quivering is a new tactic by coyotes.


This is why I'm sticking to 55gn bullets or better out of a 223. Little fur damage and very few run offs. (Can't remember the last run off?)

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#3210244 - 08/16/19 03:25 PM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
Utahcaller Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 552
Loc: UT
Iíve killed enough Coyote with 25,30,and 35 grain bullets in 17 cal and 20 cal to know that they do a great job of killing Coyotes out to 300 yards. But thatís at 4000 fps. Not 35 grain Hornet bullets at 3000 fps.... Big difference......

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#3210261 - 08/16/19 08:34 PM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
SnowmanMo Offline
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Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 3248
Loc: Phoenix, Az
Originally Posted By: Spidicus
Finally got my first shot on a coyote with my 204 shooting factory hsm 35 Berger's. The coyote was facing me head on at about 80 yards I aimed at the center of the chest. The coyote ran after the shot and not recovered. The aim was a little higher on the chest.
Any thoughts from members who shoot 204 with 35 bergers??
The shot was right above alot of sage I suppose its possible that the bullet hit some sage twigs before impact. I did not see any blood where the coyote was standing when shot at. This was at night in the desert under red light.

I dont think it was a miss since this rifle will shoot 1.25 groups at 200 yards..and I shot a small Jack in the heart at 75 yards on the stand right before this coyote stand.


I am not surprised. Could it have been a miss? Absolutely. Might have been just good old coyote fever. It would depend on the coyote's reaction to the shot that would tell me if it was a hit or a miss.

But I can tell you, from personal experience, that a high dead on chest hit, with a light bullet, can get runners. Myself and AzBushman ran into this very same thing a few years back with Hornady 32gr Vmax factory loads. I personally saw him shot several coyotes, smack dab in the high center chest, and they turned and ran. Some dropped, while others got away. Many of them nipped at their hind quarters, which seemed odd. One in particular came in, 50 yards out, dead on, SCHWACK! High dead center hit. Coyote turned towards it's flank, spun and ran. Luckily I had it covered with my shotgun and straffed him, putting him down. Now when we looked at the coyote, there was no hind end hit. So why were they turning like they were being hit in the hind quarter? We surmise that the bullet was passing over or through the vitals and expanding late into the gut. Many coyotes turn towards the area of pain and nip at it, so we think that this is what was happening. Of course, none of the coyotes shot would stand for an interview, so am I 100% sure? Nope. But I can tell you that when we switched to a 45gr SP bullet, our runners stopped. We have had DRT's ever since. So I am going to stick with the 45gr bullet myself.
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#3210263 - 08/16/19 08:50 PM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
000shock Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/14/17
Posts: 114
Loc: Dickinson, ND
I was going to bring up the 45g softpoints also. Ive talked to some guys that call with 204ís and they load a vmax or sbk in the chamber and follow up shots are spís. First shot can usually be well placed, while follow ups or trying for the double are on the run and more likely to hit bone. Ballistic tips splash, softpoints smash!

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#3210264 - 08/16/19 08:59 PM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
songdog Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 10/10/01
Posts: 3231
Loc: Elizabeth.Colo.
OK, if Ballistic tips splash and softpoints smash, what does a hollow point do, because that's what the bergers are.
Funny how lots of guys have great success with a bullet and others can't kill a rat with the same bullet.
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#3210265 - 08/16/19 09:06 PM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
Utahcaller Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 04/06/05
Posts: 552
Loc: UT
Have shot Coyotes with the 45 grain soft points too. They anchor them very well too. But from my experience they donít kill any better than the 35 grain Bergers. Iíve never had a problem with runners with the 35ís at least no more so than any other .22 and smaller caliber. Most of the runners were shot placement, not bullet performance.


Edited by Utahcaller (08/16/19 09:07 PM)

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#3210266 - 08/16/19 09:25 PM Re: 204 w/35 berger vs coyote [Re: Spidicus]
capitol Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/03/04
Posts: 493
Loc: U.S.A.
I started using 204 for Coyotes in 2005. I called in and shot several and a pattern started to show itself. *Splash Hits*

At first the HUGE holes were cool and I liked it, but soon I realized what was happening.

The 39gr SBK were hitting the Coyote and just exploding. I have pix but it's unnecessary.

After I got tired of the splash, shoot again and hope it stops running saga I switched to .243 55gr Nosler bullets.

I load them just under 4000 fps and WOW what a difference. NO Coyote runs away! Once hit they are anchored to the ground and most are DRT.

My two .204 Ruger rifles are now squirrel guns and they are AWESOME in this roll.
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